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 Aug 2 2006, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(simplysaved @ Aug 3 2006, 12:48 AM) [snapback]143134[/snapback] If you are walking with your man, and you see him turn around staring after the woman that just passed or saying ("expletive") you don't have to guess where his mind is...and again, I am not saying that everything falls in one's face...nor am I suggesting that it is anyone's job to "figure out" what is going on the in the mind of their spouse or partner.....or that you always know....but we usually (not always) know when something is not right in the relationship, even if we are not sure what. Go deeper..... I could be walking with my man...and his head turn. This does not mean that he is "lusting" in his heart (at that moment) ....unless you can read his mind.  (and again - this is the exact "explanation" that is being used by folks to state they can "divorce" their spouse.) Claiming to know their "minds"...without having true evidence on record (a "name" stated in passion, connecting letters, taped phone conversation, DNA from a baby....)He could be admiring her for her beauty. He could think he knows her. He could know her and it be a "relative". He could turn and not even be looking at her - he could be looking at someone else and you get it twisted. The "expletive" that he exclaims could be to admire (lust), it could be in disgust, it could be in jest, it could be in shock. Again - unless you have the power of JESUS and can read his mind. If you know something is not "right" in the relationship - it was "wrong" long before you started to think about what you think they are thinking..... I can always state what I know in my mind - but to assume what is in someone else's mind. I can "guess"...I can deduce. But to be assuredly right? Nope. I ain't GOD. 
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PrincessDrRe; March, 2007 ~"Blood = Meat, Face = Meat, Internal "Organs" = Meat - you can try to make it cuter; but it's still meat...."~ PrincessDrRe; September, 2007 *(NOTE: Any advice given by Re' Silvey, MSW is not to be taken as medical/mental health advice. Although trained to be a counselor, currently employed as a therapist, and currently pursuing her PhD in Counseling Psychology (ABD/I) - she is not your assigned therapist. Please consult a mental health professional of your choice for a face-to-face consultation.)* |
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Aug 3 2006, 07:51 AM
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QUOTE(simplysaved @ Aug 2 2006, 11:35 PM) [snapback]143129[/snapback] I accept the logical conclusion of scripture regarding the identity of the "woman taken in adultery"....I also accept EGW inspiration from God specifically stating that it was Mary Magdalene. These two things are mutually exclusive; the "logical conclusion of scripture" is that the woman's name is not known and not divulged. The logical conclusion of scripture says the DOA is *wrong* because not only does DOA make this woman ( along with the woman of Nain in Luke 7 ) out to be Mary Magdalene, it makes Mary Magdalene out to be Mary of Bethany, sister of Martha and Lazarus... which is not only altogether not consistent with scripture; it's plain and unadulterated doctrinal error. DOA saying it's Mary Magdalene is not inspired; there are bible commentators who make the same speculation long before EGW... but if you study the origins of that position, it originated with Pope Gregory VII... and it is inconsistent with scripture. It's a popular error and many continue to subscribe to it... but so is saying that the sacredness of the Sabbath has been transferred to sunday. Eisegetical thinking is the cause of most doctrinal error... and on this, you continue to think eisegetically. Rather than drawing conclusions and them trying to shoehorn scripture into them to make it fit what you already believe, try allowing what scripture say to determine what you should believe. EGW never desired that any view her as having ex cathedra infallibility and she knew she could and had occasionally erred and admitted such... why is it so hard for some to accept that part of what she says as being inspired ( or that she even said it at all ) ? In His service, Mr. J -------------------- There is no one more dangerous than one who thinks he knows God with a mind that is ignorant - Dr. Lewis Anthony
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Aug 3 2006, 08:05 AM
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cause Ellen said it and it must be right... even if the bible didn't say it, Ellen trumps the bible cause Ellen is the modern prophet..... or is it Mr. Shelton?
(see how I brought us back around to the 3abn thing....  )
-------------------- "you are as sick as your secrets...." -quote from Celebrity Rehab-
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Aug 3 2006, 09:03 AM
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QUOTE(Clay @ Aug 3 2006, 07:05 AM) [snapback]143164[/snapback] cause Ellen said it and it must be right... even if the bible didn't say it, Ellen trumps the bible cause Ellen is the modern prophet..... or is it Mr. Shelton? (see how I brought us back around to the 3abn thing.... )your a good man clay dash steve. 
-------------------- Here's the thing - "...if you pull "folks" into a fight you don't know what "weapon" they will bring." PrincessDrRe "A man who digs a pit for others to fall into, will end up falling into it himself. And if a man rolls a stone on someone, the stone will roll back on him". Said Solomon the wise, Proverbs 26:27 "No man can follow Christ and go astray." William H.P. Faunce "If I could hear Christ praying for me in the next room, I would not fear a million enemies. Yet distance makes no difference. He is praying for me." Robert M. McCheyne Click here for Linda Shelton's newly updated website |
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Aug 3 2006, 09:09 AM
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QUOTE(sonshineonme @ Aug 3 2006, 10:03 AM) [snapback]143174[/snapback] your a good man clay dash steve. thank you....I try... -------------------- "you are as sick as your secrets...." -quote from Celebrity Rehab-
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Aug 3 2006, 04:36 PM
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Relationships and the human psyche are much to complex to make a blanket statement that is 'the same for everyone"....no question about that. Proverbs and Matthew both focus on the importance for the individual to check himself spiritually and guard their thoughts and temptations they knowingly place themselves in.....I also believe that in more cases than not god allows us to know for ourselves---not to attempt to be god (little "g"), but so that we are not clueless and taken advantage of unnecessarily (acceptions to apply as God is sovereign), especially when you pray and ask God to make it clear.
No matter who we choose to call the woman caught in adultery, Jesus still told her to "go, and sin no more". QUOTE(PrincessDrRe @ Aug 3 2006, 12:17 AM) [snapback]143135[/snapback] Go deeper..... I could be walking with my man...and his head turn. This does not mean that he is "lusting" in his heart (at that moment) ....unless you can read his mind. (and again - this is the exact "explanation" that is being used by folks to state they can "divorce" their spouse.) Claiming to know their "minds"...without having true evidence on record (a "name" stated in passion, connecting letters, taped phone conversation, DNA from a baby....)He could be admiring her for her beauty. He could think he knows her. He could know her and it be a "relative". He could turn and not even be looking at her - he could be looking at someone else and you get it twisted. The "expletive" that he exclaims could be to admire (lust), it could be in disgust, it could be in jest, it could be in shock. Again - unless you have the power of JESUS and can read his mind. If you know something is not "right" in the relationship - it was "wrong" long before you started to think about what you think they are thinking..... I can always state what I know in my mind - but to assume what is in someone else's mind. I can "guess"...I can deduce. But to be assuredly right? Nope. I ain't GOD. -------------------- "No weapon formed against YOU (Sarah--and every Believer/Servant of God) shall prosper and every tongue that rises against you in judgement you will condemn...."--Isaiah 54:17
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Aug 3 2006, 06:23 PM
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PrincessDrRe Group: Financial Donor Posts: 9,011 Joined: 8-November 04 Member No.: 712 Gender: f |
 So now it doesn't matter what the woman's name was? Ok....
-------------------- *"Some folks use their ignorance like a umbrella. It covers everything, they perodically take it out from time to time, but it never is too far away from them."*
PrincessDrRe; March, 2007 ~"Blood = Meat, Face = Meat, Internal "Organs" = Meat - you can try to make it cuter; but it's still meat...."~ PrincessDrRe; September, 2007 *(NOTE: Any advice given by Re' Silvey, MSW is not to be taken as medical/mental health advice. Although trained to be a counselor, currently employed as a therapist, and currently pursuing her PhD in Counseling Psychology (ABD/I) - she is not your assigned therapist. Please consult a mental health professional of your choice for a face-to-face consultation.)* |
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Aug 3 2006, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE(PrincessDrRe @ Aug 3 2006, 07:23 PM) [snapback]143223[/snapback] So now it doesn't matter what the woman's name was? Ok.... the reality was the woman had NO Name mentioned in the bible.... but folks were trying to give her one... now that it has been shown her name was not mentioned, folks are saying it doesn't matter.... 
-------------------- "you are as sick as your secrets...." -quote from Celebrity Rehab-
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Aug 3 2006, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE(Clay @ Aug 3 2006, 06:25 PM) [snapback]143225[/snapback] the reality was the woman had NO Name mentioned in the bible.... but folks were trying to give her one... now that it has been shown her name was not mentioned, folks are saying it doesn't matter.... Hey ..... you won your point. You havin' problems handlin' that?........ |
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Aug 3 2006, 08:55 PM
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Let's not put words in my mouth....the focus shifted to the "theology or theory" behind the woman's name may have pulled a few "laughs" but it has also taken this off-topic...and for the purpose of this thread, it is not the most important thing...
QUOTE(Clay @ Aug 3 2006, 07:25 PM) [snapback]143225[/snapback] the reality was the woman had NO Name mentioned in the bible.... but folks were trying to give her one... now that it has been shown her name was not mentioned, folks are saying it doesn't matter....  QUOTE(watchbird @ Aug 3 2006, 07:33 PM) [snapback]143227[/snapback] Hey ..... you won your point. You havin' problems handlin' that?........ I see...nevermind.... read the response to Steve's comment... Carry on... QUOTE(PrincessDrRe @ Aug 3 2006, 07:23 PM) [snapback]143223[/snapback] So now it doesn't matter what the woman's name was? Ok.... -------------------- "No weapon formed against YOU (Sarah--and every Believer/Servant of God) shall prosper and every tongue that rises against you in judgement you will condemn...."--Isaiah 54:17
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Aug 4 2006, 01:02 AM
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QUOTE(watchbird @ Aug 3 2006, 06:33 PM) [snapback]143227[/snapback] Hey ..... you won your point. You havin' problems handlin' that?........ nope, I just wanted to spiritually tug at SS's chain one more time..... spiritually of course..... carry on...... 
-------------------- "you are as sick as your secrets...." -quote from Celebrity Rehab-
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Aug 4 2006, 05:21 AM
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QUOTE(simplysaved @ Aug 3 2006, 09:55 PM) [snapback]143237[/snapback] Let's not put words in my mouth....the focus shifted to the "theology or theory" behind the woman's name may have pulled a few "laughs" but it has also taken this off-topic...and for the purpose of this thread, it is not the most important thing... Now there is a thread where this is discussed in detail.....someone needs to find it, dust if off, and  it.....
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Aug 4 2006, 05:26 AM
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QUOTE(alramwill @ Aug 4 2006, 05:21 AM) [snapback]143259[/snapback] Now there is a thread where this is discussed in detail.....someone needs to find it, dust if off, and it.....here it is..... http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4527&st=0"signature">"you are as sick as your secrets...." -quote from Celebrity Rehab- |
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Aug 4 2006, 05:10 PM
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PrincessDrRe Group: Financial Donor Posts: 9,011 Joined: 8-November 04 Member No.: 712 Gender: f |
QUOTE(simplysaved @ Aug 3 2006, 06:36 PM) [snapback]143213[/snapback] Relationships and the human psyche are much to complex to make a blanket statement that is 'the same for everyone"....no question about that. Proverbs and Matthew both focus on the importance for the individual to check himself spiritually and guard their thoughts and temptations they knowingly place themselves in.....I also believe that in more cases than not god allows us to know for ourselves---not to attempt to be god (little "g"), but so that we are not clueless and taken advantage of unnecessarily (acceptions to apply as God is sovereign), especially when you pray and ask God to make it clear. No matter who we choose to call the woman caught in adultery, Jesus still told her to "go, and sin no more". That is all I was trying to say. One cannot make blanket statements that are all negatively based....when in fact it could be the total opposite. I also agree that GOD allows us to "know for ourselves"...however this is also dependent on the psyche of the person.... *(Ever had a person tell you - "you had to have seen it coming? If you had seen it then their would be no reason for it!)
-------------------- *"Some folks use their ignorance like a umbrella. It covers everything, they perodically take it out from time to time, but it never is too far away from them."*
PrincessDrRe; March, 2007 ~"Blood = Meat, Face = Meat, Internal "Organs" = Meat - you can try to make it cuter; but it's still meat...."~ PrincessDrRe; September, 2007 *(NOTE: Any advice given by Re' Silvey, MSW is not to be taken as medical/mental health advice. Although trained to be a counselor, currently employed as a therapist, and currently pursuing her PhD in Counseling Psychology (ABD/I) - she is not your assigned therapist. Please consult a mental health professional of your choice for a face-to-face consultation.)* |
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