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 Mar 2 2007, 12:30 PM
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I just came across this statement and I think that it applies to this whole senario.
And I ponder on it for myself as well. This shows how much staying connected with Jesus is so important. "One of the great troubles with us has been that we have looked upon men as infallible. But no matter how high a position a man may hold, it is no reason that he should be looked upon as incapable of making mistakes. The Lord may have given him a work to do, but unless Christ abides with him continually, unless he abides in Christ without a moment's separation, he will make mistakes and fall into error. RH 3-25-1890 Praying every day that God will work out all to His Glory, CJO |
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Mar 2 2007, 12:39 PM
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"mistakes" ??
How would "mistakes" compare with "calculated errors?" Maybe you could elaborate, not just a little. (back to the archives--for now) This post has been edited by LaurenceD: Mar 2 2007, 12:40 PM -------------------- Disclaimer Notice: You are hereby cautioned that the information contained within these posts are for the sole purpose of provoking thought, adding fair comment on matters of public interest, and not providing factual information. These posts do not reflect the actual thoughts or intentions of the person writing under this username since said person is not in any position to know. No effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of any personal view, opinion, or hyperbole presented. Therefore, by disclosing, copying, or distributing these posts to others, such information must subsequently be confirmed in writing, signed and dated, by the actual person, or persons, posting behind username LaurenceD.
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Mar 2 2007, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(LaurenceD @ Mar 2 2007, 12:39 PM) [snapback]181693[/snapback] "mistakes" ?? How would "mistakes" compare with "calculated errors?" Maybe you could elaborate, not just a little. (back to the archives--for now) I think calculation was involved, but errors? How about intentional actions.... calculated action..... that's how I see it.... -------------------- "you are as sick as your secrets...." -quote from Celebrity Rehab-
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Mar 2 2007, 12:58 PM
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Right, Clay. Thanks for the clarification. I'm with you.
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Mar 2 2007, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE(LaurenceD @ Mar 2 2007, 01:58 PM) [snapback]181697[/snapback] Right, Clay. Thanks for the clarification. I'm with you. the statement doesn't claifiy "Intentional or unintentional". But unless we are connected, things will happen for the wrong. John 15- I am the Vine ye are the branch..... This is all soooo sad to me. CJO |
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Mar 2 2007, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(CJO @ Mar 2 2007, 01:30 PM) [snapback]181692[/snapback] I just came across this statement and I think that it applies to this whole senario. And I ponder on it for myself as well. This shows how much staying connected with Jesus is so important. "One of the great troubles with us has been that we have looked upon men as infallible. But no matter how high a position a man may hold, it is no reason that he should be looked upon as incapable of making mistakes. The Lord may have given him a work to do, but unless Christ abides with him continually, unless he abides in Christ without a moment's separation, he will make mistakes and fall into error. RH 3-25-1890 Praying every day that God will work out all to His Glory, CJO Interesting that you have been with us since August of 2004.... yet you are repeating this same tired old refrain..... As for "falling into error" How about CHOOSING error.... choosing unfairness... choosing manipulation of others..... choosing power and control.... choosing to misappropriate funds.... and a whole list of other errant choices.... all the whole claiming exemption from guilt because of some imagined "anointing" from the Lord? Let's step into line and follow God's orders to "cleanse the camp of wickedness"..... "praying every day" while at the same time not following God's orders is in itself choosing error.... and thus is something other than genuine prayer. |
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Mar 2 2007, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE(CJO @ Mar 2 2007, 02:03 PM) [snapback]181698[/snapback] the statement doesn't claifiy "Intentional or unintentional". But unless we are connected, things will happen for the wrong. John 15- I am the Vine ye are the branch..... This is all soooo sad to me. CJO The statement is part of a longer piece which is addressed to the question of human infallibility... doesn't exist..... and of how to relate to leaders who make mistakes. It does NOT address the question of how to relate to leaders who deliberately choose sinful ways.... and cover up their own sins and those of selected others..... rather than admitting their faults, repenting, making restitution, and taking the just penalties for their sins. |
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Mar 2 2007, 01:30 PM
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CJO, do you find anything wrong with this rephrasing of your statement...
Agree? -------------------- Disclaimer Notice: You are hereby cautioned that the information contained within these posts are for the sole purpose of provoking thought, adding fair comment on matters of public interest, and not providing factual information. These posts do not reflect the actual thoughts or intentions of the person writing under this username since said person is not in any position to know. No effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of any personal view, opinion, or hyperbole presented. Therefore, by disclosing, copying, or distributing these posts to others, such information must subsequently be confirmed in writing, signed and dated, by the actual person, or persons, posting behind username LaurenceD.
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Mar 2 2007, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(CJO @ Mar 2 2007, 10:30 AM) [snapback]181692[/snapback] I just came across this statement and I think that it applies to this whole senario. And I ponder on it for myself as well. This shows how much staying connected with Jesus is so important. "One of the great troubles with us has been that we have looked upon men as infallible. But no matter how high a position a man may hold, it is no reason that he should be looked upon as incapable of making mistakes. The Lord may have given him a work to do, but unless Christ abides with him continually, unless he abides in Christ without a moment's separation, he will make mistakes and fall into error. RH 3-25-1890 Praying every day that God will work out all to His Glory, CJO CJO, Either you cut this quote danny is now in error, and chosen to stay in error, so he needs to be remove one way or the other until such time that he repents or is found to with out guilt. your quote might go towards understand who danny came to fall, but then again i think most of us if we are honsent about it know how danny fell, the same way we all do, at some point he took his eyes off of Jesus and look around. The sad part is he appears to not have stopped looking around yet. I truly hope it does not require him to stare at the mud up to his nose before he comes to his senses. ERik |
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Mar 2 2007, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE(watchbird @ Mar 2 2007, 02:08 PM) [snapback]181699[/snapback] Interesting that you have been with us since August of 2004.... yet you are repeating this same tired old refrain..... As for "falling into error" How about CHOOSING error.... choosing unfairness... choosing manipulation of others..... choosing power and control.... choosing to misappropriate funds.... and a whole list of other errant choices.... all the whole claiming exemption from guilt because of some imagined "anointing" from the Lord? Let's step into line and follow God's orders to "cleanse the camp of wickedness"..... "praying every day" while at the same time not following God's orders is in itself choosing error.... and thus is something other than genuine prayer. I only posted this quote from the standpoint of watching many say that because your fruits are right, (Depends on what fruits) then you must be called of God and can do no wrong. I'm sure you all know of the many who come on here and say that Because 3ABN is doing such good things, how can all these things be right that are posted on here. I am totally for cleansing the camp. My heart aches that there is all of this in the name of Adventism. I want the camp cleansed as much as you do. I'm sorry if you took my statements wrong in my original quote. As for me being on here since Aug. 2004... Perhaps we have all learned alot since our original posts.... It takes time to put the pieces together... There are alot of hurting people out there because of this fiasco. I pray for healing for all who are concerned with it. In Christian love, CJO This post has been edited by CJO: Mar 2 2007, 03:26 PM |
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Mar 2 2007, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(CJO @ Mar 2 2007, 04:06 PM) [snapback]181719[/snapback] I only posted this quote from the standpoint of watching many say that because your fruits are right, (Depends on what fruits) then you must be called of God and can do no wrong. I'm sure you all know of the many who come on here and say that Because 3ABN is doing such good things, how can all these things be right that are posted on here. I am totally for cleansing the camp. My heart aches that there is all of this in the name of Adventism. I want the camp cleansed as much as you do. I'm sorry if you took my statements wrong in my original quote. As for me being on here since Aug. 2004... Perhaps we have all learned alot since our original posts.... It takes time to put the pieces together... There are alot of hurting people out there because of this fiasco. I pray for healing for all who are concerned with it. In Christian love, CJO Thank you for clarifying. With so many on here throwing such quotes at those of us who are appealing for the camp to be cleansed, I am sure you can understand our concern when an ambiguous post like this is made. Thank you for joining us in our desire to have the camp cleansed... thoroughly cleansed. |
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Mar 2 2007, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(CJO @ Mar 2 2007, 11:30 AM) [snapback]181692[/snapback] I just came across this statement and I think that it applies to this whole senario. And I ponder on it for myself as well. This shows how much staying connected with Jesus is so important. "One of the great troubles with us has been that we have looked upon men as infallible. But no matter how high a position a man may hold, it is no reason that he should be looked upon as incapable of making mistakes. The Lord may have given him a work to do, but unless Christ abides with him continually, unless he abides in Christ without a moment's separation, he will make mistakes and fall into error. RH 3-25-1890 Praying every day that God will work out all to His Glory, CJO CJO, Thank you for starting this topic. If one reads the entire article by EGW, one finds wonderful insights into our Lord's desire for us to know truth for ourselves. Here is the link for those who would like to read this nine paragaph article. http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gat...036;vid=default I can see how you might personally apply parts of this to the situation at 3abn. That some there have separated themselves from Christ at times seems to be what has happened, for Christ would never forsake or rebuke a young person who had been abused, even by one of His own. But I believe the larger message of the article is to study to show ourselves approved - to know truth by our own diligent study of the scriptures. PB -------------------- Got Peace?
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. "Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else." Aunt B, 2007 |
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Mar 2 2007, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(CJO @ Mar 2 2007, 04:06 PM) [snapback]181719[/snapback] I only posted this quote from the standpoint of watching many say that because your fruits are right, (Depends on what fruits) then you must be called of God and can do no wrong. I'm sure you all know of the many who come on here and say that Because 3ABN is doing such good things, how can all these things be right that are posted on here. I am totally for cleansing the camp. My heart aches that there is all of this in the name of Adventism. I want the camp cleansed as much as you do. I'm sorry if you took my statements wrong in my original quote. As for me being on here since Aug. 2004... Perhaps we have all learned alot since our original posts.... It takes time to put the pieces together... There are alot of hurting people out there because of this fiasco. I pray for healing for all who are concerned with it. In Christian love, CJO Thanks for your contribution, CJO, and this explanation. You're right on.  It seems that some folks on this board are battle-weary, being rather used to Danny supporters coming on here and using EGW quotes to justify his unconscionable actions. |
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Mar 2 2007, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE(CJO @ Mar 2 2007, 03:06 PM) [snapback]181719[/snapback] I am totally for cleansing the camp. My heart aches that there is all of this in the name of Adventism. I want the camp cleansed as much as you do. I'm sorry if you took my statements wrong in my original quote. I so agree with you, CJO. This all makes my heart hurt. I'm sure there are tears in heaven. Happy Sabbath to you!! Snoopy  |
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Mar 2 2007, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE(Snoopy @ Mar 2 2007, 08:19 PM) [snapback]181793[/snapback] I so agree with you, CJO. This all makes my heart hurt. I'm sure there are tears in heaven. Happy Sabbath to you!! Snoopy No doubt the church (SDA) needs to be purged. Maybe some of the tears should be those of joy knowing that God is in control and allowing things to work out for His purpose. "To hate and reprove sin, and at the same time to show pity and tenderness for the sinner, is a difficult attainment" AA 503 (read also pages 504-505) "I pity the fool!" comes to the harsh part of my mind. Its the tenderness part that is sometimes in short supply. Thank you for reminding me of the tender side, part of the fruit of the Spirit. |
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