 The Lawsuit Continues., This is where we are, and what is happening. |
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 Jul 18 2007, 01:17 PM
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At this point in time the lawsuit against Joy and Pickle is in what is called the "discovery" period. The litigants each attempt to get the court to issue orders complling the other side to either produce specific information, and/or order specific people to testify under oath, and/or respond to written questions that are presented to them.
The discovery period is considered to be critical to the outcome of the trial. As such, the discovery period may last for a longer period than the trial itself. This period is not a simple one. When Party A asks the court to compel Party B to either produce specific information, respond to written questions, and/or testify under oath, Party B will typically ask the court either to not allow such, or to in some way limit the testimony, or information/documents to be produced. So, the legal battles may involve every request by both sides. Also involved in this discovery period are times and dates. This allows the litigants to plan when they acutally go to trial, and identify the dates by which specific actions must take place. The next actual court date in this process is July 23, 2007. The attornies for 3-ABN and Danny Shelton have asked the court to issue a Protective Order for Confidentiality that would apply to all documents and testimony that is produced/given during the discovery period. This proposed Protective Order for Confidentiality involves a comprehensive listing of the circumstances and conditions under which the documents and testimony obtained during discovery would be made available to the public. In short, if the court grants the requests of 3-ABN/Danny Shelton the information given to the public would be subject to individual restrictions which would severly limit that informtion given to the public, in some cases. Of course, it may be assumed that some information (Such as the date for court hearings?) would be made available. The public could be thankful for such favors. At this point in time the people and documents requested by the various parties that the court will compel to be given/produced is not known. At such a time as the court orders such testimony/information, it is the hope of the Joy/Pickle team that such information will be allowed to be shared with the public. Just letting you know what is happening. This post has been edited by Observer: Jul 18 2007, 01:42 PM -------------------- Gregory Matthews posts here under the name "Observer."
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Jul 18 2007, 01:52 PM
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I am noticing who it is that seems to want everything hidden.
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Jul 18 2007, 01:58 PM
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The longer this goes on the more we are seeing the true colors of Danny. The key words seems to be secrecy, and has been since this whole saga began. Always wanting to hide something. Never wanting the stories to see the light of day. How can the guy live with himself?
Richard QUOTE(Panama_Pete @ Jul 18 2007, 03:52 PM)  I am noticing who it is that seems to want everything hidden. |
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Jul 18 2007, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(Panama_Pete @ Jul 18 2007, 02:52 PM) I am noticing who it is that seems to want everything hidden. I have been told it is only guilty people who try very hard to hide everything. That, IMO, is what this whole case is really about. -------------------- The greatest want of the world is the want of men-- men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall. {Ed 57.3}
But such a character is not the result of accident; it is not due to special favors or endowments of Providence. A noble character is the result of self-discipline, of the subjection of the lower to the higher nature--the surrender of self for the service of love to God and man. {Ed 57.4} |
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Jul 18 2007, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(Panama_Pete @ Jul 18 2007, 01:52 PM) I am noticing who it is that seems to want everything hidden. It is more of the same.....keep it quiet.....double talk........silence.....song and dance.........hushhhhhhhhhhhhhh    |
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Jul 18 2007, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE(Richard Sherwin @ Jul 18 2007, 01:58 PM) How can the guy live with himself? easy... he is wearing the sunglasses satan gave him jmho |
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Jul 18 2007, 03:37 PM
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With secrecy continuing to be desired by Danny Shelton about his life and misdeeds and litigations, etc.... the more people will wonder what is going on that Danny needs to be hidden, donations will continue to go
down... down... down... down... JMHO Rosyroi -------------------- "Joy, Love, Peace, Long Suffering, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith, Meekness, and Self Control are what being full of the Holy Spirit is all about." Galations 5. "Don't waste your time waiting and longing for large opportunities which may never come, but faitfully handle the little things that are always claiming your attention..." F.B. Meyers "Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else." Aunt B. 2007 "For GOD so LOVED you and me..." John 3:16 "I believe that there is a devil, and here's Satan's agenda. First, he doesn't want anyone having kids. Secondly, if they do conceive, he wants them killed. If they're not killed through abortion, he wants them neglected or abused physically, emotionally, sexually...One way or another, the legions of hell want to destroy children because children become the future adults and leaders. If they (legions) can warp or wound a child, he or she becomes a warped or wounded adult who passes on this affliction to the next generation". -Terry Randall in TIME Magazine, October 21, 1991 |
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Jul 18 2007, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(Rosyroi @ Jul 19 2007, 07:37 AM) With secrecy continuing to be desired by Danny Shelton about his life and misdeeds and litigations, etc.... the more people will wonder what is going on that Danny needs to be hidden, donations will continue to go down... down... down... down... JMHO Rosyroi I wonder how much DS et al care about opinions as expressed here.....opinions with which I agree. Maybe if the financial downturn continues, he will get the message. |
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Jul 18 2007, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(Brenda @ Jul 18 2007, 11:48 PM) I wonder how much DS et al care about opinions as expressed here.....opinions with which I agree. Maybe if the financial downturn continues, he will get the message. They will give a different explanation, like the price of gas. 
-------------------- "Any fact that needs to be disclosed should be put out now or as quickly as possible, because otherwise the bleeding will not end." (Attributed to Henry Kissinger) "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it" (Martin Luther King) |
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Jul 18 2007, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(Johann @ Jul 19 2007, 09:27 AM) They will give a different explanation, like the price of gas. A typical closed group response |
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Jul 18 2007, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(Brenda @ Jul 18 2007, 09:31 PM) A typical closed group response ??? |
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Jul 18 2007, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(Brenda @ Jul 18 2007, 08:31 PM) A typical closed group response Is that kinda like the statement below? "One for all and all for one in the DannyShelton/3ABN compound"?  IMHO Rosyroi -------------------- "Joy, Love, Peace, Long Suffering, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith, Meekness, and Self Control are what being full of the Holy Spirit is all about." Galations 5. "Don't waste your time waiting and longing for large opportunities which may never come, but faitfully handle the little things that are always claiming your attention..." F.B. Meyers "Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else." Aunt B. 2007 "For GOD so LOVED you and me..." John 3:16 "I believe that there is a devil, and here's Satan's agenda. First, he doesn't want anyone having kids. Secondly, if they do conceive, he wants them killed. If they're not killed through abortion, he wants them neglected or abused physically, emotionally, sexually...One way or another, the legions of hell want to destroy children because children become the future adults and leaders. If they (legions) can warp or wound a child, he or she becomes a warped or wounded adult who passes on this affliction to the next generation". -Terry Randall in TIME Magazine, October 21, 1991 |
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Jul 18 2007, 11:27 PM
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There's such a thing as "groupthink," defined roughly as a way of thinking people have when they're in a close in-group, when the members' desire for unity override their ability to see the truth as individuals and make good judgments. It happens when the group is particularly close, has a strong sense of solidarity, and when members want to maintain relationships with the group at all costs.
You can see it in the White House with one administration after another--Bush's denials on the problems in Iraq, the Clintons' "vast right-wing conspiracy" that supposedly invented the adultery problem with Lewinsky, Iran-Contra for Reagen, Nixon. You see it in NASA's decisions to let the space shuttles take off or land when they shouldn't have. I think it has to do with the paralysis of bureaucracy in our church, too.  Groupthink isn't always bad by itself, but it does lead to bad decisions--and when those bad decisions remain unacknowledged, and instead are multiplied, it begins to become evil. Of course, if the group's purposes include covering over sin, that is inherently evil--for "he that covereth his sins shall not prosper." A particularly germane proverb for these secrecy requests, no? Remember Achan ...  Yes, Danny is reading this. But he won't pay attention until it hurts him too much not to.  "It's not going to stop 'til you wise up," as the saying goes.
This post has been edited by SoulEspresso: Jul 18 2007, 11:34 PM -------------------- "The entire world is falling apart because no one will admit they are wrong." -- Don Miller, Blue Like Jazz. |
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Jul 19 2007, 12:57 AM
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QUOTE(SoulEspresso @ Jul 19 2007, 03:27 PM) Yes, Danny is reading this. But he won't pay attention until it hurts him too much not to. "It's not going to stop 'til you wise up," as the saying goes. That is the saddest part of all... That Danny is reading, but won't pay attention till it hurts him too much not to... Sad that someone NEEDS to go through all that pain before they will humble themselves, repent, confess AND step down, as the so-called 'leader of 3abn'  What an ego, that one must hang on at any price; no matter whether it's the right thing to do, whether souls will be lost or whatever. I guess it's the kind of ego that helped him think up "Saved Thru 3ABN"! 
-------------------- "It's important that people know what you stand for. It's equally important that they know what you won't stand for."
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Jul 19 2007, 03:43 AM
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QUOTE(SoulEspresso @ Jul 19 2007, 03:27 PM) There's such a thing as "groupthink," defined roughly as a way of thinking people have when they're in a close in-group, when the members' desire for unity override their ability to see the truth as individuals and make good judgments. It happens when the group is particularly close, has a strong sense of solidarity, and when members want to maintain relationships with the group at all costs. You can see it in the White House with one administration after another--Bush's denials on the problems in Iraq, the Clintons' "vast right-wing conspiracy" that supposedly invented the adultery problem with Lewinsky, Iran-Contra for Reagen, Nixon. You see it in NASA's decisions to let the space shuttles take off or land when they shouldn't have. I think it has to do with the paralysis of bureaucracy in our church, too. Groupthink isn't always bad by itself, but it does lead to bad decisions--and when those bad decisions remain unacknowledged, and instead are multiplied, it begins to become evil. Of course, if the group's purposes include covering over sin, that is inherently evil--for "he that covereth his sins shall not prosper." A particularly germane proverb for these secrecy requests, no? Remember Achan ... Yes, Danny is reading this. But he won't pay attention until it hurts him too much not to. "It's not going to stop 'til you wise up," as the saying goes. Thank you for amplifying and clarifying my comment on the 'closed group'. Groupthink is a much better term. (Concepts dredged up from a course in social psychology many years ago  )
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