Jim Gilley Takes Over As President Options

[LaurenceD]

No, it isn't double minded.

You do know, that this has been appealed to the court. and is still being ruled on, and is only concerned with the local, state property tax?

You do know what is decided as owed to Ceasar, or not owed. will be payed, or not, as the court decides?

A court already decided.

Of course it's double-minded for you to rail against those who show doubt in the legal system, and yet at the same time disagree with rulings of the legal system yourself. But, I'm not surprised you're unable to see this.

The 3abn appeal proves that 3abn only has faith in rulings with which it agrees. And that's what was being stated earlier...if you catch my drift...if 3abn loses this current case, there's still hope for them. They can appeal. The first verdict means nothing to them...they have no faith in the judicial system whatsoever until there's nowhere else to turn and they're forced to cooperate.

[LaurenceD]

Let me ask you and see if you're able to offer any kind of answer to this specific question:

Do you understand what 3abn was doing wrong in the 3ABN v. THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE
OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS ?

Do you understand? YES______ NO_______

This post has been edited by LaurenceD: Oct 3 2007, 01:38 PM

[Ian]

A court already decided.

Of course it's double-minded for you to rail against those who show doubt in the legal system, and yet at the same time disagree with rulings of the legal system yourself. But, I'm not surprised you're unable to see this.

The 3abn appeal proves that 3abn only has faith in rulings with which it agrees. And that's what was being stated earlier...if you catch my drift...if 3abn loses this current case, there's still hope for them. They can appeal. The first verdict means nothing to them...they have no faith in the judicial system whatsoever until there's nowhere else to turn and they're forced to cooperate.

As if you are psychic or have an inside source?

No one has been railing, not 3ABN, and least of all myself.

Appeals are in accord with, and allowed within, our American legal system, that's how it works.

To suggest that filing an appeal is having no faith in the judicial system, is just..

weird and offbase to me.

And Laurence, no. I've read the public records,as maybe you yourself have, but I don't understand what you claim 3ABN was doing wrong. Why don't you wait till all the facts are in before you claim you know all and sit in judgment of others?

Let me ask you and see if you're able to offer any kind of answer to this specific question:

Do you understand what 3abn was doing wrong in the 3ABN v. THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE
OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS ?

Do you understand? YES______ NO_______

This post has been edited by Ian: Oct 3 2007, 02:16 PM

[Dona]

When a pastor comes to a new district, he often has to somewhat ignore the stories that this or that faction tell him. But the 3ABN corruption scandal can't be successfully handled that way, in my opinion. Ignore the present but still give us money only sends the very strong message that it's business as usual at 3ABN. And God will not pour out His blessings while there is sin in the camp.

From what I have seen and heard so far, since Pastor Gilley has come to 3ABN, he has not ignored the past or present business of 3ABN. The business is to reach the entire world with the gospel message which our Lord Jesus Christ has given each of us to do. I praise God that 3ABN has not let the cares of this world divert them from the work that was given them to do.

As far as your opinion of what he should do about the scandal it is just that, your opinion. I remind you of Judas. He was of the opinion that all that was needed to get our Lord to overthrow Rome and set up His kingdom was to put Him a position where He had to do it. Judas was not aware that he was under the influence of Satan and working against our Lord until it was too late.

God is pouring out His blessings on 3ABN and has been since its inception. If one is watching 3ABN and hearing all the reports from those who are on the front lines in the world all would know that. The Holy Spirit is being poured out and there are those in the church who are still completely unaware.

At the moment I cannot recall who it was that posted that 3ABN would not be reaching the entire world because it was not God's way of doing it. They gave the many areas still not reached and how Bibles were not yet printed in every language. They seem to forget that Bibles are being sent by the thousands and with 3ABN streaming to all parts of the world that there will be those who will then go into these yet unreached areas who will teach the gospel message. When the disciples
went out they reached the then known world in wondrous time. It will be so again. So, we can't limit God or even begin to say what His way is or who He will bless. What we should be concerned with is whether we are doing His work or that of the enemy and hopefully before it is too late.

Dona

[LaurenceD]

No one has been railing, not 3ABN, and least of all myself.

Appeals are in accord with, and allowed within, our American legal system, that's how it works.

To suggest that filing an appeal is having no faith in the judicial system, is just..

weird and offbase to me.

And laurence, no. I've rd the public records, but I don't understand what you claim 3ABN was doing wrong. Why don't you wait till all the facts are in before you claim you do?

I figured as much...

BTW, would you mind quoting me when you say I've made a claim,
that way we won't have to go looking for empty shells.

[Ian]

Re post 198

"This post has been edited by princessdi: Today, 02:27 PM"

WHY did Princess Di edit my post, and add her own commentary?
see
http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=218102

I didn't write all that is posted under my name.

I protest most strongly, I do it publicly, as it was done publicly.

[princessdi]

MY bad, Ian! I am so sorry, hit the edit instead of the reply button. I will see if I can rectify it ASAP. AAgain my humblest apologies.

[Ian]

MY bad, Ian! I am so sorry, hit the edit instead of the reply button. I will see if I can rectify it ASAP. AAgain my humblest apologies.

Ok, thank you. I appreciate it.

I'm sorry if I seemed to freak out, I admit, it freaked me out.

This post has been edited by Ian: Oct 3 2007, 03:39 PM

[princessdi]

Well at least we can agree on this, if all that has been claimed or asked about in regards to security at 3ABN is in place, it makes no sense that HOTY hasn't been discovered and fired.

Makes plenty sense, MrJ, who has expertise in this area, has told you how easy it is.

I told the forum I saw everything, that is true, accept it or not. I at least have been on a tour... Have you even been on a public tour?

yes_____ No X__

Neither do I need or want a tour. My most important point is that the "tour" you speak of cannot exist in conjunction with the claim you make not to have contacts or be getting information from someone at 3ABN to post here.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood your previous posts, so you didn't say you didn't know others besides Danny and linda? Ok, does that mean you personally know people at 3ABN or have met them?

yes_______ No________

None of your buisness? I do not claim inside knowledge of the workings of 3ABN or the content and demise of the Shelton's marriage. You do, therefore it is you, not me who needs to build credibility. Who I know or don't know is inconsequential to any discussion here. So my questions to you are still vlaid and unanswered. I don't claim to have the knowledge you do to refute any claim or allegation made here, you do. If you are "Adventist Joe Blow", you don't really know what is going on at 3ABN and you get the public tour. If you are close personal friend, special guest of __________ going on a private tour, then you might also actually know the inner workings at 3ABN and truly have some facts as far as the Shelton's marriage is concerned.

Problem: After days and months of claiming inside knowledge to refute allegations here at BSDA involving Danny, Linda, and 3ABN. When PB asks you to contact your person inside 3ABN to clarify something said by Bob, you act as if you don't know anyone at 3ABN. Then you got to talking aobut your tour, and how you didn't get the public tour, but hinting that you got a "special" entire tour that would include even the mose descrete security measures. So now, once again, which is it?


who? For of course "if you are claiming to be close enough to someone at 3ABN to be privy to their most secure security operations" that would be a horse of a different color also. I am sure as you raised this issue with me, and made it a criteria, you will see the need to answer it yourself in regards to what you have posted. "Are you Adventist Joe Blow on the 3ABN tour, or are you a close, special guest getting a tour of all the new upgrades? This also has bearing on information you share hee, to refute other poster's info. You are either winging it on your own, or you have have contacts at 3ABN."

Which is it Princessdi?


I think it tiresome to have endless rebuttals from those who actually know no one and nothing personally, and wouldn't recognize anyone involved "if they walked up and slapped them" on the street. I'm sure you feel the same, and will understand what I am saying based on my quotes.

edit- words

[princessdi]

Not problem. I think I would be a bit freaked out myself!

Ok, thank you. I appreciate it.

I'm sorry if I seemed to freak out, I admit, it freaked me out.

[Seraphim7]

Re post 198

"This post has been edited by princessdi: Today, 02:27 PM"

WHY did Princess Di edit my post, and add her own commentary?
see
http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=218102

I didn't write all that is posted under my name.

I protest most strongly, I do it publicly, as it was done publicly.

OK, she made an honest error and has apologized. Even so, that is no reason to get all ugly with any member or administrator. It is unwise and uncalled for... MTJM

[mystery- man]

From what I have seen and heard so far, since Pastor Gilley has come to 3ABN, he has not ignored the past or present business of 3ABN. The business is to reach the entire world with the gospel message which our Lord Jesus Christ has given each of us to do. I praise God that 3ABN has not let the cares of this world divert them from the work that was given them to do.

As far as your opinion of what he should do about the scandal it is just that, your opinion. I remind you of Judas. He was of the opinion that all that was needed to get our Lord to overthrow Rome and set up His kingdom was to put Him a position where He had to do it. Judas was not aware that he was under the influence of Satan and working against our Lord until it was too late.

God is pouring out His blessings on 3ABN and has been since its inception. If one is watching 3ABN and hearing all the reports from those who are on the front lines in the world all would know that. The Holy Spirit is being poured out and there are those in the church who are still completely unaware.

At the moment I cannot recall who it was that posted that 3ABN would not be reaching the entire world because it was not God's way of doing it. They gave the many areas still not reached and how Bibles were not yet printed in every language. They seem to forget that Bibles are being sent by the thousands and with 3ABN streaming to all parts of the world that there will be those who will then go into these yet unreached areas who will teach the gospel message. When the disciples
went out they reached the then known world in wondrous time. It will be so again. So, we can't limit God or even begin to say what His way is or who He will bless. What we should be concerned with is whether we are doing His work or that of the enemy and hopefully before it is too late.
Dona, I get really fustrated when I hear some things because I dont think after all this time that people get where the problem is. The lord Jesus told the Jews that they traveled land and sea to spread the gospel and make the people they met 10 fold worse than themselves. Dona, please hear my message, the preaching of the ten commandments is not the center piece of Christ "God is Love" is the center piece of the gospel. The Jews considered themselves blessed of God and not even Jesus himself could tell them different. With one fatal swoop 3Abn diluted the undiluted message by showing a total lack of genuin love for one of there own, they implyed that Gods grace is not enough. Often people have attributed Gods blessing someone or something when in fact He is not. There is only one true way that we can tell that someone or something is blessed and that is by love and love alone.
Dona

[Ian]

OK, she made an honest error and has apologized. Even so, that is no reason to get all ugly with any member or administrator. It is unwise and uncalled for... MTJM

Whatever...

It was between she and I. and it has been handled, and I sincerely appreciate her responses...

moving on...

This post has been edited by Ian: Oct 3 2007, 03:55 PM

[Seraphim7]

Whatever...

moving on...

Ian, chill... and, since you are supposed to be a generally new member ... try taking your own advise, read the following thread on respect for the admin staff...:
http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=187973

Now, we may move on

[justice4jesus]

........

........I remind you of Judas. He was of the opinion that all that was needed to get our Lord to overthrow Rome and set up His kingdom was to put Him a position where He had to do it. Judas was not aware that he was under the influence of Satan and working against our Lord until it was too late.

........

Dona

This can happen to anyone. ANYONE! It is important for ALL of us to remember that.