Is 3abn Resorting To Spamming Google? Options

[Pickle]

http://www.3abn.org/save_3abn.cfm is an abvious attempt at manipulating search engine results using a page with a title that doesn't match the content.

Now comes:

• http://improve.top10th.net/3abn.htm
• http://planner.onlinehot.net/3abn.htm
• http://arizona.top10th.net/3abn.htm
• http://mojo.top10th.net/3abn.htm
• http://chicago.top10th.net/3abn.htm
• http://version.onlinehot.net/3abn.htm
• http://planner.onlinehot.net/3abn.htm

It's probably not worth my time to copy every last link, so if you're interested, take a glance at all the subdomains Google has indexed for a search for 3ABN on onlinehot.net, fastusa.net, and top10th.net. Watch the updates in the days ahead.

Is 3ABN responsible for this? If so, how will this help them, other than to maybe push the negative pages down the list a bit?

This post has been edited by Pickle: Nov 2 2007, 08:19 AM

[Observer]

http://www.3abn.org/save_3abn.cfm is an abvious attempt at manipulating search engine results using a page with a title that doesn't match the content.

Now comes:

• http://improve.top10th.net/3abn.htm
• http://planner.onlinehot.net/3abn.htm
• http://arizona.top10th.net/3abn.htm
• http://mojo.top10th.net/3abn.htm
• http://chicago.top10th.net/3abn.htm
• http://version.onlinehot.net/3abn.htm
• http://planner.onlinehot.net/3abn.htm

It's probably not worth my time to copy every last link, so if you're interested, take a glance at all the subdomains Google has indexed for a search for 3ABN on onlinehot.net, fastusa.net, and top10th.net. Watch the updates in the days ahead.

Is 3ABN responsible for this? If so, how will this help them, other than to maybe push the negative pages down the list a bit?

If you want to see what is happening on the Internet click on: http://savegailon.blogspot.com/2007/08/lin...ed-percent.html


The above is just one of a number of such websistes.

Notice the reference to: Stan from British Columbia. Some might understand that person to be Stan Jensen of Club Adventist. But, that is not stated, and I do not believe to be true. But, if some think it is him, the posts will have credibility.

There are other such on the Internet. I only wanted to list one.


I have stated that I support Linda Shelton. I continue to do so.

I think that those who read in BSDA ought to know what is being said about her on the Internet.

This post has been edited by Observer: Nov 2 2007, 09:29 AM

[watchbird]

If you want to see what is happening on the Internet click on: http://savegailon.blogspot.com/2007/08/lin...ed-percent.html
The above is just one of a number of such websistes.

Notice the reference to: Stan from British Columbia. Some might understand that person to be Stan Jensen of Club Adventist. But, that is not stated, and I do not believe to be true. But, if some think it is him, the posts will have credibility.

There are other such on the Internet. I only wanted to list one.
I have stated that I support Linda Shelton. I continue to do so.

I think that those who read in BSDA ought to know what is being said about her on the Internet.

This is the first time I have visited this site... and will probably be my last. I have to wonder just what sort of person put it up... and what their purpose is. Surely no one of any intelligence at all would take any such wild allegations as these seriously.... and assuming that the person who put the material up has some intelligence, it would seem that he/she would be aware that it would cast more derision on any who speak against Linda than it would on Linda herself. Could this be his/her real motive?

Of course that may be a false assumption.... but if so then surely it is a very sick individual who would go to those lengths on any topic about any person.

Something is very "fishy" here.... but then.... the whole thing about Linda has been used like a stinky red herring from the beginning, so I suppose one should not be surprised if it becomes more odorous as time goes on. But in the face of all the other problems surrounding 3abn that have nothing to do with her, one has to wonder just what it is at this point in time that is impelling those who run the spin machine to once more drag out the issue of Linda's divorce.

It really boggles the mind to try and figure out what goes on in this person's head....

Perhaps it is best to follow the advice of the professional counselor supervisor who tells her workers to "never try and get into the head of a crazy person".

[Pickle]

Watchbird,

I think the same person is behind that site that wrote the letter at http://www.save3abn.com/letters-of-critici...lfred-smith.htm.

See his other site at http://profetensprofil.blogspot.com/.

But what do you guys make of all those junk sites using 3ABN's trademark? Is someone trying to spam the search engines? If so, is it 3ABN or is it someone merely trying to profit off of Google ads on the same page, some which sometimes advertise a former Adventist website?

[watchbird]

Watchbird,

I think the same person is behind that site that wrote the letter at http://www.save3abn.com/letters-of-critici...lfred-smith.htm.

See his other site at http://profetensprofil.blogspot.com/.

But what do you guys make of all those junk sites using 3ABN's trademark? Is someone trying to spam the search engines? If so, is it 3ABN or is it someone merely trying to profit off of Google ads on the same page, some which sometimes advertise a former Adventist website?

3abn has problems... serious problems.... that much we all know. We also know they are not... or haven't been until recently... the brightest lightbulb in the box when it came to handling PR.... but they are NOT completely assinine, stupid, or out of their minds .... as they would have to be if they thought that this kind of thing would bring them any good PR.

It is my guess that someone who has a very creative and twisted mind is trying to see how far he can push the envelope into obscure and obscene directions before those who read realize that he is being satirical rather than serious. What does he hope to accomplish ... other than some twisted satisfaction in seeing to what heights of the ridiculous he can attain?

I haven't the faintest idea. But I don't think he is worth any serious attempts to figure him out. The best thing to do with his kind, IMO, is to ignore him.

[Shiny Penny]

3abn has problems... serious problems.... that much we all know. We also know they are not... or haven't been until recently... the brightest lightbulb in the box when it came to handling PR.... but they are NOT completely assinine, stupid, or out of their minds .... as they would have to be if they thought that this kind of thing would bring them any good PR.

It is my guess that someone who has a very creative and twisted mind is trying to see how far he can push the envelope into obscure and obscene directions before those who read realize that he is being satirical rather than serious. What does he hope to accomplish ... other than some twisted satisfaction in seeing to what heights of the ridiculous he can attain?

I haven't the faintest idea. But I don't think he is worth any serious attempts to figure him out. The best thing to do with his kind, IMO, is to ignore him.

It's kind of hard to ignore him when Pickle has done the advertising.

[watchbird]

It's kind of hard to ignore him when Pickle has done the advertising.

That's who I was speaking to. This site has been brought up before this on BSDA and briefly discussed then ignored. I really see no reason to have brought it back to our attention now. And certainly there is no reason for any of us to keep visiting the site to keep up with the fresh trash... much less try to figure out why someone would be so sick as to dump it on the internet for all to see. There are no reasons for evil.... and the stuff I saw on that site, IMO, is very evil. Let's all just go back to ignoring it.

[Pickle]

The junk sites and the SaveGailon site are two different things. Totally different. I wasn't asking about the SaveGailon site. I was asking about the junk sites that could be used to spam search engines.

[Noahswife]

The junk sites and the SaveGailon site are two different things. Totally different. I wasn't asking about the SaveGailon site. I was asking about the junk sites that could be used to spam search engines.

Bob~

I think part of the problem on this thread may be that not everyone realizes that "spam" does not have a clearly accepted definition these days on the internet. Until your post, I had assumed "spam" was junk email. Now I understand that some on the web also consider some search engine optimization techniques (SEO) to also be spam.

For a discussion see: http://www.threadwatch.org/node/6200

nw

[calvin]

Well Pickle, they are going to have to try harder, BSDA still comes up on the first page with a Google 3ABN search.

[Rosyroi]

Well Pickle, they are going to have to try harder, BSDA still comes up on the first page with a Google 3ABN search.

Praise the Lord God that He is still in cotrol.

[Pickle]

Bob~

I think part of the problem on this thread may be that not everyone realizes that "spam" does not have a clearly accepted definition these days on the internet. Until your post, I had assumed "spam" was junk email. Now I understand that some on the web also consider some search engine optimization techniques (SEO) to also be spam.

For a discussion see: http://www.threadwatch.org/node/6200

nw

Sorry about the lack of explanation.

Spamming a search engine is when you use various techniques to artificially manipulate search engine results in order to put your site near the top of the results pages. Putting keywords in a page that are the same color as the background would be one such technique. No one can see the keywords except the search engine spider.

Another technique would be to have lots of pages with meaningless content that all have the same keywords. This is what is being done on the junk pages I provided the links to.

[4reneyonly]

Very skillful, those 3ABN folks. But, the truth will out. Never fear, sooner or later it will all be revealed-the good, the bad, the unholy.

[Snoopy]

Sorry about the lack of explanation.

Spamming a search engine is when you use various techniques to artificially manipulate search engine results in order to put your site near the top of the results pages. Putting keywords in a page that are the same color as the background would be one such technique. No one can see the keywords except the search engine spider.

Another technique would be to have lots of pages with meaningless content that all have the same keywords. This is what is being done on the junk pages I provided the links to.

Do they have to pay for each of those pages?

[Pickle]

Do they have to pay for each of those pages?

In the past I've gotten lots of calls from companies offering to put me at the top if I pay big bucks. I then ask them how they will do that, and usually it ends up being some sort of spam technique.

If 3ABN hired a company to do that, then yes, they had to pay for it.

But it may not be them at all. It could be someone trying to defraud Google by displaying lots of pages with their ads. http://shade.top10th.net/lien-kitchen.htm makes me think it may not be 3ABN's doing at all. Do a Google search for "site:top10th.net", and you end up with a lot of sites that just don't make sense, that don't look like they promote anything but Google ads.