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post Aug 11 2006, 09:19 PM
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Calvin,

I hope you will forgive the reference to the first post in this thread. I started reading this discussion board months ago and just recently decided to dig in here and see if there is any truth here.

Let's presuppose for a minute that there is hard evidence (and you can't say just because it hasn't been provided to you that it doesn't exist - faulty logic) what if it would leave Linda in a heap, revealing more than has been projected to this point. Do you want to be part of that? Do you want to be part of an even more devestating experience for Linda?

Is it possible (and I only ask the question, this is not a statement) that what you have been told by Linda and her closest allies is not completely accurate, not completely the truth, but was spun and couched before it was presented to you? Is this possible - or have you unequivocably removed any possiblity for inaccuracies? Have you sat across the table from both Danny and Linda in order to arrive at this conclusion? I think this would be important. I haven't so I can't say one way or the other. But I sure would like the chance - which of course I don't think I will ever be privy to.

- fallible

QUOTE(calvin @ Aug 4 2006, 09:56 AM) [snapback]143286[/snapback]

Below are just a few places In Dr Thompson’s letter where “evidence” is noted that 3ABN has that confirms the relationship with Dr. A in Norway was less than professional. So what is the evidence? I have heard it is taped conversations. Why not end this craziness that has been going on for two years? Produce the evidence that you are so reluctant to expose. You have given the evidence to a select few but still questions and rumors abound.

Send the evidence to me at: calvin@blacksda.com I will post it here. I will keep your identity anonymous.



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post Aug 11 2006, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE(sonshineonme @ Aug 4 2006, 08:04 PM) [snapback]143349[/snapback]

PEERRRRRFECT analogy. I love analogies...they just seem to cut to the chase, don't they? giggle.gif

Analogies are de bomb!
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QUOTE(Freedom @ Aug 4 2006, 07:11 PM) [snapback]143345[/snapback]

Isn't it ILLEGAL to tape a phone conversation without the consent of both parties?
My understanding is that it is illegal.

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QUOTE(LadyTenor @ Aug 6 2006, 12:34 PM) [snapback]143513[/snapback]

Only in certain states is that illegal...and it is ALWAYS illegal if the gov't is doing it ABSENT A LEGALLY SUFFICIENT WARRANT...

She be de ler-yer!
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QUOTE(fallible humanbeing @ Aug 11 2006, 10:19 PM) [snapback]144471[/snapback]

...I hope you will forgive the reference to the first post in this thread. I started reading this discussion board months ago and just recently decided to dig in here and see if there is any truth here.

Let's presuppose for a minute that there is hard evidence (and you can't say just because it hasn't been provided to you that it doesn't exist - faulty logic) what if it would leave Linda in a heap, revealing more than has been projected to this point. Do you want to be part of that? Do you want to be part of an even more devestating experience for Linda?

Is it possible (and I only ask the question, this is not a statement) that what you have been told by Linda and her closest allies is not completely accurate, not completely the truth, but was spun and couched before it was presented to you? Is this possible - or have you unequivocably removed any possiblity for inaccuracies? Have you sat across the table from both Danny and Linda in order to arrive at this conclusion? I think this would be important. I haven't so I can't say one way or the other. But I sure would like the chance - which of course I don't think I will ever be privy to.

- fallible

Fallible - (interesting name choice) yes.gif

I want the truth. At the rate it is going thus far - there is nothing....NOTHING that can be said that will hurt Linda worse. Now....let's flip your script....

What if it comes out that everything that Danny has said "is not completely accurate, not completely the truth, but was spun and couched before it was presented to"....um...the world?

You say that you haven't sat across from the table from Danny and Linda - neither have I...but I wasn't bern (born) yesterday...and one thing I know.....

Boo-Boo stanks. I don't have to take a "big inhale" to see if it "still stanks"....

If something doesn't sound quite right, or looks a bit cock-eyed chances are there is some hot mess on toast ("inaccuracies")....

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QUOTE(PrincessDrRe @ Aug 11 2006, 08:36 PM) [snapback]144475[/snapback]

Analogies are de bomb!
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She be de ler-yer!
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Fallible - (interesting name choice) yes.gif

I want the truth. At the rate it is going thus far - there is nothing....NOTHING that can be said that will hurt Linda worse. Now....let's flip your script....

What if it comes out that everything that Danny has said "is not completely accurate, not completely the truth, but was spun and couched before it was presented to"....um...the world?

You say that you haven't sat across from the table from Danny and Linda - neither have I...but I wasn't bern (born) yesterday...and one thing I know.....

Boo-Boo stanks. I don't have to take a "big inhale" to see if it "still stanks"....

If something doesn't sound quite right, or looks a bit cock-eyed chances are there is some hot mess on toast ("inaccuracies")....

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Well put 'PrincessDrRe! and thanks for the laugh too (boo-boo stanks!! - I smell plenty of it round these parts lately).

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post Aug 11 2006, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE(fallible humanbeing @ Aug 11 2006, 09:19 PM) [snapback]144471[/snapback]

Calvin,

I hope you will forgive the reference to the first post in this thread. I started reading this discussion board months ago and just recently decided to dig in here and see if there is any truth here.

Let's presuppose for a minute that there is hard evidence (and you can't say just because it hasn't been provided to you that it doesn't exist - faulty logic) what if it would leave Linda in a heap, revealing more than has been projected to this point. Do you want to be part of that? Do you want to be part of an even more devestating experience for Linda?

Is it possible (and I only ask the question, this is not a statement) that what you have been told by Linda and her closest allies is not completely accurate, not completely the truth, but was spun and couched before it was presented to you? Is this possible - or have you unequivocably removed any possiblity for inaccuracies? Have you sat across the table from both Danny and Linda in order to arrive at this conclusion? I think this would be important. I haven't so I can't say one way or the other. But I sure would like the chance - which of course I don't think I will ever be privy to.

- fallible

Look, I am willing to follow truth wherever it may lead, it that leaves Linda in a heap of trouble, then so be it. I have been told this too by those close to 3abn (not anyone here) they want to spare Linda from embarrassment, as you have alluded to. That is a pretty weak argument. Considering that 3abn is in full damage control mode, salvaging what is can from the ministry, blatantly begging for money and calling out Danny’s accusers as liars. They could end much of this craziness now by coming forward with the evidence of Linda cheating. Instead we heard that Danny is taking a leave of absent, uh vacation for three months that only leaves to more speculation.

Too your second paragraph: All this is possible and I continue to ask questions of everyone involved.
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post Aug 11 2006, 10:07 PM
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PDR,

So true, the question runs both ways - however, this venue has made it's choice clear so not having been able to find what I feel is the "whole truth and nothing but the truth" I show up here to gleen what I can and add to what I have here-to-fore.

I sure hope that my moniker isn't an impedement to my engaging you in discussion - it just seems an obvious choice for any human being on the face of this earth.

I have heard some tough stuff about Linda - reiterated here (in a defensive posture), but I can imagine worse. I have heard the cloak room rumors and there is still worse that could be leveled. Not that there is something - but one can imagine worse.

But, I would have to flip your coin and say that over the past two years the same could be said of some of the things I have heard coming from the Linda camp. Doesn't sit right - the gut reacts with a bit of queasiness. Sorry if that doesn't put me "on the team" - but this is the truth as I know it, I have heard things that do not sit right.

So let me know when I am "in the club" and can actually begin to ask questions regardless of whether I side with you or not. I want to know just as much as anyone else.

- fallible


QUOTE(PrincessDrRe @ Aug 11 2006, 10:36 PM) [snapback]144475[/snapback]


Fallible - (interesting name choice) yes.gif

I want the truth. At the rate it is going thus far - there is nothing....NOTHING that can be said that will hurt Linda worse. Now....let's flip your script....

What if it comes out that everything that Danny has said "is not completely accurate, not completely the truth, but was spun and couched before it was presented to"....um...the world?

You say that you haven't sat across from the table from Danny and Linda - neither have I...but I wasn't bern (born) yesterday...and one thing I know.....

Boo-Boo stanks. I don't have to take a "big inhale" to see if it "still stanks"....

If something doesn't sound quite right, or looks a bit cock-eyed chances are there is some hot mess on toast ("inaccuracies")....

snack.gif



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post Aug 11 2006, 10:20 PM
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Calvin,

Thank you again. Is it possible that those at 3ABN who have shared this with you may truly want to spare Linda any more grief and stress? How is that a weak argument? It may very well leave them open for speculation, but what if they truly do want to spare her?

As far as 3ABN being in damage control - I can't imagine that there aren't those who are in fear for the ministry of God being brought down. Is there any way to deny the truth that this ministy has truly lead many to the feet of the cross and introduced them to the truth of the love of our Saviour?

It is human nature to be defensive - isn't this section of this discussion board an exercise of defensive in Linda's behalf? Is there a balance - even an admission that nothing ever happens in a relationship in a one sided manner. Is there always one person who has been perfect and one who has not when divorce becomes the course of the relationship?

Why is it so unimaginable that Danny is taking a vacation? What if you (suspend for a moment whether he is guilty or not) had had to deal with this perpetual attack on your character and your lifes ministry for two years, do you think you would want to take a breather, a rest, to meet with your God in the solitude that can only be found out of the limelight? He could have stayed and avoided the potential speculation and innuendo that would follow making that decision, but he decided to take a break - does that convict, certainly not in any court of common sense. Why make a statement (bolded/underlined below) like this, wait, hold the judgement and lets see if he comes back and if he does what his spirit is - let's let the Holy Spirit comfort and lead him (just as we hope the same for Linda).

- fallible

QUOTE(calvin @ Aug 11 2006, 11:06 PM) [snapback]144482[/snapback]

Look, I am willing to follow truth wherever it may lead, it that leaves Linda in a heap of trouble, then so be it. I have been told this too by those close to 3abn (not anyone here) they want to spare Linda from embarrassment, as you have alluded to. That is a pretty weak argument. Considering that 3abn is in full damage control mode, salvaging what is can from the ministry, blatantly begging for money and calling out Danny’s accusers as liars. They could end much of this craziness now by coming forward with the evidence of Linda cheating. Instead we heard that Danny is taking a leave of absent, uh vacation for three months that only leaves to more speculation.

Too your second paragraph: All this is possible and I continue to ask questions of everyone involved.



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QUOTE(fallible humanbeing @ Aug 11 2006, 11:07 PM) [snapback]144483[/snapback]



So let me know when I am "in the club" and can actually begin to ask questions regardless of whether I side with you or not. I want to know just as much as anyone else.

- fallible

If you arent seeing anyone about this persecution complex you continue to manifest, there are several mental health professionals on the forum who could help you with that...

Ask nicely and you might even get a discount.

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post Aug 11 2006, 10:24 PM
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AT,

Thank you so much for supporting my point so clearly for me. Maybe we can have a dialogue now.

- fallible

QUOTE(awesumtenor @ Aug 11 2006, 11:20 PM) [snapback]144487[/snapback]

If you arent seeing anyone about this persecution complex you continue to manifest, there are several mental health professionals on the forum who could help you with that...

Ask nicely and you might even get a discount.

In His service,
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QUOTE(fallible humanbeing @ Aug 12 2006, 12:24 AM) [snapback]144488[/snapback]

AT,

Thank you so much for supporting my point so clearly for me. Maybe we can have a dialogue now.

- fallible

Only if you omit the whine; I gave up drinking that stuff a long time ago...

No, I'm not drinking the kool-aid you're trying to cook up either, Mr. Jones... no matter how hot it gets in the Guyana sun...

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QUOTE(fallible humanbeing @ Aug 12 2006, 12:20 AM) [snapback]144486[/snapback]


Is there any way to deny the truth that this ministy has truly lead many to the feet of the cross and introduced them to the truth of the love of our Saviour?


That does not in the least make 3ABN God-ordained in any wise:

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Even Judas healed the sick and cast out devils... didn't stop him from betraying Christ, however... nor did his having done it grant him any special dispensation...Paul admonishes us in 1Cor 9 to maintain discipline in the practice of our faith " lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. "

There's a lesson in that for those who have ears to hear...

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QUOTE(fallible humanbeing @ Aug 11 2006, 11:07 PM) [snapback]144483[/snapback]

PDR,

So true, the question runs both ways - however, this venue has made it's choice clear so not having been able to find what I feel is the "whole truth and nothing but the truth" I show up here to gleen what I can and add to what I have here-to-fore.

I sure hope that my moniker isn't an impedement to my engaging you in discussion - it just seems an obvious choice for any human being on the face of this earth.

I have heard some tough stuff about Linda - reiterated here (in a defensive posture), but I can imagine worse. I have heard the cloak room rumors and there is still worse that could be leveled. Not that there is something - but one can imagine worse.

But, I would have to flip your coin and say that over the past two years the same could be said of some of the things I have heard coming from the Linda camp. Doesn't sit right - the gut reacts with a bit of queasiness. Sorry if that doesn't put me "on the team" - but this is the truth as I know it, I have heard things that do not sit right.

So let me know when I am "in the club" and can actually begin to ask questions regardless of whether I side with you or not. I want to know just as much as anyone else.

- fallible

1st point - Both sides have been presented here....those that are "for" Danny - those that are "for" Linda. This is actually one of the few places that has the extensive (free) view of both sides. However the difference is that LINDA HERSELF has never came here and said one bad thing about DANNY. Now - since I can honestly take it that you haven't read ALL the 3ABN threads - you would not know that....

You may have heard something coming from the "camp" - but from the actual person? Only Danny been having the "runnin' off of de mouth." Just as my Mother told me long ago - "The truth don't have to yell....." Why is Danny yelling? dunno.gif

2nd point - As for "the club"...... You can ask a question. Just be prepared to get an answer you may not like.
dunno.gif

3rd point - Now - your name....

Hey - you pick what you want for a name...
Definition of FALLIBLE per Yahoo!<<---Click Here!
...but this says that you could be "wrong" - yet when people tell you that you could be "wrong" you get upset..... maybe you should change your moniker to "slightly infallible" or "somewhat infallible in a sense at times".....
dunno.gif

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QUOTE(fallible humanbeing @ Aug 11 2006, 09:07 PM) [snapback]144483[/snapback]

PDR,

So true, the question runs both ways - however, this venue has made it's choice clear so not having been able to find what I feel is the "whole truth and nothing but the truth" I show up here to gleen what I can and add to what I have here-to-fore.

I sure hope that my moniker isn't an impedement to my engaging you in discussion - it just seems an obvious choice for any human being on the face of this earth.

I have heard some tough stuff about Linda - reiterated here (in a defensive posture), but I can imagine worse. I have heard the cloak room rumors and there is still worse that could be leveled. Not that there is something - but one can imagine worse.

But, I would have to flip your coin and say that over the past two years the same could be said of some of the things I have heard coming from the Linda camp. Doesn't sit right - the gut reacts with a bit of queasiness. Sorry if that doesn't put me "on the team" - but this is the truth as I know it, I have heard things that do not sit right.

So let me know when I am "in the club" and can actually begin to ask questions regardless of whether I side with you or not. I want to know just as much as anyone else.

- fallible



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Okay, point 1: If what we are going to claim as balance is evidenced by the pinned material what do we have?

- Dr. Abrahamsen letter
- Dr Thompson letter
- The Unauthorized 3ABN History
- The Televangalist

Now, I know there are purported emails form various individuals (including Danny and Kay Kuzma), but if what is official here are the above documents that doesn't strike me as balance. Show me the balance - direct me where I will find it and I will re-read anything you send me to.

So then Danny has come here and defamed Linda (<- seeking insight, knowledge, information, proof)? How is what is here not yelling from the Linda camp?

Point 2: My dad taught me to ask questions of anyone, God included, but be prepared for the answer. I have no problem with that - but I reserve the right to weigh it in the balance against all I have heard thus far and see what happens.

Point 3: in the spiritual sense I am fallible - according to The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition the word is defined as: "Capable of making an error" and Princeton University's Wordnet defines it this way: "having the attributes of man as opposed to e.g. divine beings; "I'm only human"; "frail humanity". Seems to fit humankind.

- fallible


QUOTE(PrincessDrRe @ Aug 12 2006, 12:18 AM) [snapback]144498[/snapback]

1st point - Both sides have been presented here....those that are "for" Danny - those that are "for" Linda. This is actually one of the few places that has the extensive (free) view of both sides. However the difference is that LINDA HERSELF has never came here and said one bad thing about DANNY. Now - since I can honestly take it that you haven't read ALL the 3ABN threads - you would not know that....

You may have heard something coming from the "camp" - but from the actual person? Only Danny been having the "runnin' off of de mouth." Just as my Mother told me long ago - "The truth don't have to yell....." Why is Danny yelling? dunno.gif

2nd point - As for "the club"...... You can ask a question. Just be prepared to get an answer you may not like.
dunno.gif

3rd point - Now - your name....

Hey - you pick what you want for a name...
Definition of FALLIBLE per Yahoo!<<---Click Here!
...but this says that you could be "wrong" - yet when people tell you that you could be "wrong" you get upset..... maybe you should change your moniker to "slightly infallible" or "somewhat infallible in a sense at times".....
dunno.gif

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If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. But do not care to convince him. Men will believe what they see. Let them see. - Henry David Thoreau

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post Aug 11 2006, 11:49 PM
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No, it is not, Sonshine. It is about "getting" information, and a desperate, last resort attempt at that. We need to shut down this ride, also.

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It's obvious, this aint about asking questions.... bangin.gif



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post Aug 11 2006, 11:55 PM
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No, it is not, Sonshine. It is about "getting" information, and a desperate, last resort attempt at that. We need to shut down this ride, also.


Right on pernt Di!!


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