What Did Walt Admit To Regarding What Danny Told Him About Tommy?, Fallible's complaint and a poll. Options

[Pickle]

Faillible has raised an issue over here that he raised on Maritime, and I will respond here similar to how I responded over there. The question concerns what did Dr. Walt Thompson admit to and what didn't he admit to in writing to me.

Basically, I claim that since Walt admitted that Danny was his source of information, and since that information was clearly and unquestionably bogus, that Walt essentially admitted to me that Danny misled him. Whenever making this claim, I have tried to include a word like "essentially" to make it clear that Walt did not say, "Danny lied to me," and anyone who reads what he wrote and what I've written, as well as Danny's responses, cans ee very clearly what I've meant.

Fallible, however, claims that I have not been truthful when saying that Walt "essentially" admitted that Danny misled him.

Here are the documents. The poll we have over on Maritime is reproduced here so that you can vote how you feel about the matter. If anyone can think of an option I should have included, let me know and maybe we can add it, if the software allows that kind of thing.

------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Gailons last email to me. "We got a problem"
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 08:26:23 -0600
From: Walt Thompson
CC: Danny Shelton

Dear Bob,

The allegations against Tommy were made about 30 years ago. They were reported to the proper authorities. No physical actions ever occured. Tommy appologized to the kids and offered recompence. The DA said there was no case. No restrictions were ever imposed. Tommy is employed by 3abn with full board approval, knowing the facts. ...

...

Thanks for your interest,

walt
Walter Thompson MD

A follow-up question I asked Walt was, Who gave you this information? He stated quite clearly:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Possible way to win 3ABN critics.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:04:53 -0600
From: Walt Thompson

Dear Bob,

Thank you for you attempt to understand my sensitivity and that of 3abn administratin and board. ...

... I was at 3abn at the time and spoke at length with Danny about the matter. He shared with me the details as he understood them. ...

[Since mid-August] I contacted the only person from the Chruch of God that I could find that knew about the situation .... The picture that was painted by that leader of the Church was exactly as portrayed earlier by Danny. ... These are the facts as I have been able to sort them out.

...

Sincerely,

Walt

And yet the letter sent to Walt Thompson by certified mail in 2003 had attached Action items which included the following:

Tommy also should issue written apologies over his signature for his deceit, as well as inappropriate behavior, etc., to the congregation of the Ezra Church of God, West Frankfort, Illinois, the congregation of the Community Church of God, Dunn Loring, Virginia, the state office of the General Assembly Of The Church Of God In Illinois and to the Ministerial Council of the Church of God headquartered in Virginia.

Tommy pastored in Virginia from 1995 until around late 2000. The above words alert us to the fact that there were allegations, whether true or false is irrelevant, much more recently than 30 years ago, contrary to the information that Walt admitted that Danny told him.

Rereading the above, it becomes apparent that the 3ABN board never knew the facts, or if they did, their actions become even more reprehensible. Yet Walt Thompson said, "Tommy is employed by 3abn with full board approval, knowing the facts."

It has now been more than a month since these discrepancies were brought to Dr. Thompson's attention, and I have yet to receive any reply whatsoever from him that seeks to rectify the mistakes that were made. If he cannot make any sort of appropriate reply to a concerned Seventh-day Adventist church member over such a serious issue after a month, then for the good of 3ABN and the cause of God, he really ought to resign.

This post has been edited by Pickle: Jan 7 2007, 09:31 AM

[Pickle]

You probably noticed that the fourth option in the poll should read: "No, just because Walt said that Danny was his source of information, that in no way means that Walt said that Danny was his source of information."

[västergötland]

How is this poll not inviting innocent BSDAers to judge the law?

Jam 4:11 Speak not one against another, brethren. He that speaketh against a brother, or judgeth his brother, speaketh against the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judgest the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
Jam 4:12 One only is the lawgiver and judge, even he who is able to save and to destroy: but who art thou that judgest thy neighbor?

[Pickle]

I guess the same way that Paul did when he told the Corinthians to judge the man that had his father's wife. And yet in the same epistle Paul said to judge no one before the time.

Look through 1 Cor. and you find Paul saying "Judge," and saying "Don't judge."

The best I can figure is that we aren't supposed to say where someone WILL end up. That's not our task. But we do have a responsibility to deal with open sin, and clear facts.

And this poll is only about facts.

[fallible humanbe...]

After carefully comparing Walt Thompson's statements and the 2003 Glenn Dryden letter, please choose the most appropriate answer from the following list:
1. Walt Thompson admitted that Danny told him that the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations were 30 years old, when in actuality the May 2003 Dryden letter that Walt received indicated that the allegations were as recent as the year 2000.
2. Walt admitted that Danny told him that the allegations were 30 years old, but you are dead wrong that the 2003 letter asking Tommy to apologize to a church he pastored from 1995-2000 for inappropriate behavior is an allegation more recent than 30 years ago.
3. No, Walt never said that the allegations were 30 years old when he said that the allegations were 30 years old, and you have no business saying that he did.
4. No, just because Walt said that Danny was his source of information, that in now way means that Walt said that Danny was his source of information.

Your choices are simply laughable. The only real option, and it isn't present, is:

"No, Walt never "admitted" - as Bob Pickle attributes it to him - that Danny lied to him. Nor does he insinuate that this happened. Additionally it is evident upon reading the emails that Bob Pickle believes that Danny lied and realizes that it would be more powerful if he placed those words in the mouth of someone closer to the 3ABN situation and chose Dr. Thompson as his victim."

If you had that as a choice then you would have a legitmate poll.

- fhb

[Daryl Fawcett]

FHB,

Why don't you create your own POLL and see what happens?

[Ed White]

FHB,

Why don't you create your own POLL and see what happens?

Speaking of taking a pole, maybe Danny Shelton should become an open member here on BSDA forum and conduct a pole and ask his own questions. That way we would know, however we should be careful if he does, as he is good at one-sided questions/reporting that only make him look good. Like the Russian press once gave an account of a foot race, saying this about their Russian star. “Ivan came in second place & the American was next to the last place finisher.” The press reporter told the truth, but he failed to say that only two people were in the race. Poles can say nothing at times, as we all know.

[PeacefulBe]

FHB,

Why don't you create your own POLL and see what happens?

FHB, I would second that and I will gladly vote if there is at least one choice that I can agree with.

[roxe]

FHB,
Why don't you create your own POLL and see what happens?

i agree, fallible, do your own with your own wording, giving us all the options possible which you understand...

i REALLY hope you do!

i'll be watching for it, cuz i really want to vote in it

This post has been edited by roxe: Jan 8 2007, 08:17 PM

[Treniece]

I thought Tommy Shelton just recently resigned or retired from 3abn, so hopefully this controversy should subside.

[watchbird]

I thought Tommy Shelton just recently resigned or retired from 3abn, so hopefully this controversy should subside.

Sounds like you missed the next chapters.... yeah he retired... was given a gala party on worldwide TV... now the word we get is that he will be back to 3abn for taping in a couple weeks.... so... nothing has been accomplished there other than he has been eulogized around the world.

[lookin4truth]

I thought Tommy Shelton just recently resigned or retired from 3abn, so hopefully this controversy should subside.

Treniece,

Although Tommy did retire for "Health Reasons", on the Retirement Special broadcast, Danny Shelton stated over and over again that Tommy would be back, and would continue to do work for 3ABN.

On the program, the first man to pay tribute to Tommy spent much of his time telling how the person who held the job before Tommy mistreated the employees. I wonder who he could have been speaking about...Just one of those things that make you say, "hmmm".

I found the video at http://www.save3abn.com/. Note, I said I found it there, I did not put it there.

[Pickle]

Treniece,

Actually, during Tommy's tribute Sunday before last, it was repeatedly promised that he would be back. Repeatedly.

But even if that were not the case, Danny still needs to explain why, according to Walt, he told Walt that the allegations were 30 years old when he knew full well that they weren't.

You can't have the head of a ministry as powerful as 3ABN, a head that markets a book about keeping the 10 Commandments, the head of a ministry dedicated to preaching the 3rd angel's message which calls people to obedience to the 10 Commandments, you can't have that head breaking the 9th commandment in order to cover up grievous and extreme violations of the 7th commandment.

This post has been edited by Pickle: Jan 12 2007, 06:46 PM

[howdy]

I just watched the video clip that was referred to above. Sickening!!

howdy

[lookin4truth]

Off topic, but ironic

When I saw the post above, which shows who save3abn.com is registered to, I did a WHOIS search, at http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp, on 3ABN.org.

The search shows a little sample of the home page, and it shows a picture of Linda.

Oops, The post I referred to, which showed who the save3abn.com site belonged to was on Maritime. Sorry, my mistake. I was jumping back and forth, and confused myself.

This post has been edited by lookin4truth: Jan 12 2007, 10:05 PM