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[Johann]

Great Moments in Physics

The following concerns a question in a physics degree exam at the University of Copenhagen. "Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer."

One student replied: "You tie a long piece of string to the neck of the barometer, then lower the barometer from the roof of the skyscraper to the ground. The length of the string plus the length of the barometer will equal the height of the building."

This highly original answer so incensed the examiner that the student was failed. The student appealed on the grounds that his answer was indisputably correct, and the university appointed an independent arbiter to decide the case.

The arbiter judged that the answer was indeed correct, but did the problem it was decided to call the student in and allow him six minutes in which to provide a verbal answer which showed at least a minimal familiarity with the basic principles of physics. For five minutes the student sat in silence, forehead creased in thought. The arbiter reminded him that time was running out, to which the student replied that he had several extremely relevant answers, but couldn't make up his mind which to use.

On being advised to hurry up the student replied as follows: "Firstly, you could take the barometer up to the roof of the skyscraper, drop it over the edge, and measure the time it takes to reach the ground. The height of the building can then be worked out from the formula H = 0.5g x t squared. But bad luck on the barometer."

"Or if the sun is shining you could measure the height of the barometer, then set it on end and measure the length of its shadow. Then you measure the length of the skyscraper's shadow, and thereafter it is a simple matter of proportional arithmetic to work out the height of the skyscraper."

"But if you wanted to be highly scientific about it, you could tie a short piece of string to the barometer and swing it like a pendulum, first at ground level and then on the roof of the skyscraper. The height is worked out by the difference in the gravitational restoring force T = 2 pi sqroot (l / g)."

"Or if the skyscraper has an outside emergency staircase, it would be easier to walk up it and mark off the height of the skyscraper in barometer lengths, then add them up."

"If you merely wanted to be boring and orthodox about it, of course, you could use the barometer to measure the air pressure on the roof of the skyscraper and on the ground, and convert the difference in millibars into feet to give the height of the building."

"But since we are constantly being exhorted to exercise independence of mind and apply scientific methods, undoubtedly the best way would be to knock on the janitor's door and say to him 'If you would like a nice new barometer, I will give you this one if you tell me the height of this skyscraper'."

The student was Niels Bohr, the only person from Denmark to win the Nobel prize for Physics.


Is there anything we can learn from this young Danish student in this connection?

When I have received a good answer I will tell you why the son of this famous scientist came to see me a few years after his father died, and what that son taught me that helps me understand certain things in connection with this whole affair.

[awesumtenor]

Great Moments in Physics

The following concerns a question in a physics degree exam at the University of Copenhagen. "Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer."

One student replied: "You tie a long piece of string to the neck of the barometer, then lower the barometer from the roof of the skyscraper to the ground. The length of the string plus the length of the barometer will equal the height of the building."

This highly original answer so incensed the examiner that the student was failed. The student appealed on the grounds that his answer was indisputably correct, and the university appointed an independent arbiter to decide the case.

The arbiter judged that the answer was indeed correct, but did the problem it was decided to call the student in and allow him six minutes in which to provide a verbal answer which showed at least a minimal familiarity with the basic principles of physics. For five minutes the student sat in silence, forehead creased in thought. The arbiter reminded him that time was running out, to which the student replied that he had several extremely relevant answers, but couldn't make up his mind which to use.

On being advised to hurry up the student replied as follows: "Firstly, you could take the barometer up to the roof of the skyscraper, drop it over the edge, and measure the time it takes to reach the ground. The height of the building can then be worked out from the formula H = 0.5g x t squared. But bad luck on the barometer."

"Or if the sun is shining you could measure the height of the barometer, then set it on end and measure the length of its shadow. Then you measure the length of the skyscraper's shadow, and thereafter it is a simple matter of proportional arithmetic to work out the height of the skyscraper."

"But if you wanted to be highly scientific about it, you could tie a short piece of string to the barometer and swing it like a pendulum, first at ground level and then on the roof of the skyscraper. The height is worked out by the difference in the gravitational restoring force T = 2 pi sqroot (l / g)."

"Or if the skyscraper has an outside emergency staircase, it would be easier to walk up it and mark off the height of the skyscraper in barometer lengths, then add them up."

"If you merely wanted to be boring and orthodox about it, of course, you could use the barometer to measure the air pressure on the roof of the skyscraper and on the ground, and convert the difference in millibars into feet to give the height of the building."

"But since we are constantly being exhorted to exercise independence of mind and apply scientific methods, undoubtedly the best way would be to knock on the janitor's door and say to him 'If you would like a nice new barometer, I will give you this one if you tell me the height of this skyscraper'."

The student was Niels Bohr, the only person from Denmark to win the Nobel prize for Physics.


Is there anything we can learn from this young Danish student in this connection?

When I have received a good answer I will tell you why the son of this famous scientist came to see me a few years after his father died, and what that son taught me that helps me understand certain things in connection with this whole affair.

There is the lesson of Naaman... that some people, when presented with a solution that, while obvious, is too simplistic to fit their preconceived notion, will tend to reject said solution no matter how truthful... Occam's razor is often the tool for the job but some are looking to play with their brand new shiny Husqvarna 394XPW 94cc chainsaw and will only accept that which allows them to do so... sure it will take your arm off along with that loose thread on your sleeve... but it's shiny... and makes noise... ooooooooooooooh

In His service,
Mr. J

[Bystander]

When I have received a good answer I will tell you why the son of this famous scientist came to see me a few years after his father died, and what that son taught me that helps me understand certain things in connection with this whole affair.

I, for one, am certainly glad that it doesn't take a Nobel prize winner to figure you and your emails out. They are rather elementary.

[Johann]

I, for one, am certainly glad that it doesn't take a Nobel prize winner to figure you and your emails out. They are rather elementary.

It does take a genius to figure that out!

[Johann]

It so happened that while serving many years ago as a pastor of one of the largest churches then in Denmark it was discovered I had a sickness which no one recognized. My own doctor figured it was just stress, and he wanted me to relax. But it got worse and I was taken to a hospital where I was examined by a number of doctors. One of these was a surgeon who was the son of a butcher. Another surgeon was a former soccer star player. I got to know these men and they became my friends. At one point a medical student was supposed to examine me and give his verdict. To the professor's surprise he diagnosed that I had TB in a back bone. Some thought I had caught this in Africa. But the point is that the professor acknowledged that his student had not been able to discover what was wrong with me unless the two of us had developed a cordial and open relationship.

After this I was taken for tests and treatments to various hospitals by ambulance. The experts were discussing what to do with me to be sure I would recover without being shortened by an inch or two.

Then someone suggested there was this known specialist in treatments of bone diseases, Dr. Hans Bohr, and son of the Nobel price winner. I was taken again by ambulance to the largest hospital in Denmark, the Federal hospital in Copenhagen. There I was to hear the verdict of this famous physician. I still see the small frame of this friendly pleasant man approaching my bed, with a friendly smile on his face.

He had all of the tests, the x-rays, the results of all of the examinations by various physicians in 4 or 5 different hospitals. He did not open any of the papers. First some general talk. Then he told me that he could not tell me how I should be treated before getting personally acquainted with me. So he started talking to me about my family, my work, my outlook on life. He just could tell me what should be done before we had become friends. This was his professional patient-physician relationship. It reminded me of what Ellen White states in the Ministry of Healing about the relationship between a patient and a Christian physician.

From Bystander's perspective 3ABN does not subscribe to such counsel given by Ellen White. Is that because 3ABN is an Independent Ministry?

Stay tuned and I will tell you how Irmgard and I experience this together with Danny Shelton several weeks before Dr. Arild Abrahamsen arrived on the scene. Irmgard never got over that before she died.

This post has been edited by Johann: Mar 5 2007, 05:23 PM

[Fran]

It so happened that while serving many years ago as a pastor of one of the largest churches then in Denmark it was discovered I had a sickness which no one recognized. My own doctor figured it was just stress, and he wanted me to relax. But it got worse and I was taken to a hospital where I was examined by a number of doctors. One of these was a surgeon who was the son of a butcher. Another surgeon was a former soccer star player. I got to know these men and they became my friends. At one point a medical student was supposed to examine me and give his verdict. To the professor's surprise he diagnosed that I had TB in a back bone. Some thought I had caught this in Africa. But the point is that the professor acknowledged that his student had not been able to discover what was wrong with me unless the two of us had developed a cordial and open relationship.

After this I was taken for tests and treatments to various hospitals by ambulance. The experts were discussing what to do with me to be sure I would recover without being shortened by an inch or two.

Then someone suggested there was this known specialist in treatments of bone diseases, Dr. Hans Bohr, and son of the Nobel price winner. I was taken again by ambulance to the largest hospital in Denmark, the Federal hospital in Copenhagen. There I was to hear the verdict of this famous physician. I still see the small frame of this friendly pleasant man approaching my bed, with a friendly smile on his face.

He had all of the tests, the x-rays, the results of all of the examinations by various physicians in 4 or 5 different hospitals. He did not open any of the papers. First some general talk. Then he told me that he could not tell me how I should be treated before getting personally acquainted with me. So he started talking to me about my family, my work, my outlook on life. He just could tell me what should be done before we had become friends. This was his professional patient-physician relationship. It reminded me of what Ellen White states in the Ministry of Healing about the relationship between a patient and a Christian physician.

From Bystander's perspective 3ABN does not subscribe to such counsel given by Ellen White. Is that because 3ABN is an Independent Ministry?

Stay tuned and I will tell you how Irmgard and I experience this together with Danny Shelton several weeks before Dr. Arild Abrahamsen arrived on the scene. Irmgard never got over that before she died.

Johann;

I'd like to hear the rest of the story ......

[PeacefulBe]

Yes, Johann, please share the rest of this amazing story!

[Johann]

I, for one, am certainly glad that it doesn't take a Nobel prize winner to figure you and your emails out. They are rather elementary.

Good, but why don't you comprehend?

[Fran]

Bystander Mar 6, 2007, 1241 AM

I, for one, am certainly glad that it doesn't take a Nobel prize winner to figure you and your emails out. They are rather elementary.

IMO, Since they are above your level, I can see where it would be hard to comprehend! You should attend Andrews University, They are quite good I hear.

[sister]

IMO, Since they are above your level, I can see where it would be hard to comprehend! You should attend Andrews University, They are quite good I hear.

Fran, it is obvious that you have never lived in southern Illinois. People like Danny take pride in their ignorance and lack of education. Where do you think the T-shirt with the logo, "I'm with stupid" came from? There was a man I was aquainted with who had no shame in telling people, "I come from poor white southern trailer trash." It is really sad. Rather than taking the opportunity of bettering themselves, instead they continue "making fun" of those who have chosen to be educated. Actually, a good example would be the way Bystander speaks toward Johann. Rather than shaming Johann, it merely show the ignorance and lack of the most rudimentary social skills on the part of Bystander. I would not like to use the word "stupid" to describe Bystander, but what else can be said of the disrespectful and ignorant remarks he continues to make toward Johann?

Sister

[Aletheia]

Fran, it is obvious that you have never lived in southern Illinois. People like Danny take pride in their ignorance and lack of education. Where do you think the T-shirt with the logo, "I'm with stupid" came from? There was a man I was aquainted with who had no shame in telling people, "I come from poor white southern trailer trash." It is really sad. Rather than taking the opportunity of bettering themselves, instead they continue "making fun" of those who have chosen to be educated. Actually, a good example would be the way Bystander speaks toward Johann. Rather than shaming Johann, it merely show the ignorance and lack of the most rudimentary social skills on the part of Bystander. I would not like to use the word "stupid" to describe Bystander, but what else can be said of the disrespectful and ignorant remarks he continues to make toward Johann?

Sister

Take care. Sister. Your fruits are showing again...

[Seraphim7]

Take care. Sister. Your fruits are showing again...

Hursh Aletheia grown folks is talkin... Have you not yet learned yet to be seen and not heard?

[Noahswife]

Take care. Sister. Your fruits are showing again...

Calvin, Clay or PrincessDi....

Can you get us a smilie for " ad hominem" posts?

nw
C"i"

I am still waiting for an answer Aletheia.

http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=183730

This post has been edited by Noahswife: Mar 8 2007, 12:47 PM

[Carmel]

It is really sad. Rather than taking the opportunity of bettering themselves, instead they continue "making fun" of those who have chosen to be educated. Actually, a good example would be the way Bystander speaks toward Johann. Rather than shaming Johann, it merely show the ignorance and lack of the most rudimentary social skills on the part of Bystander. I would not like to use the word "stupid" to describe Bystander, but what else can be said of the disrespectful and ignorant remarks he continues to make toward Johann?

Sister

I couldn't agree more!

Recently I wrote a post in that regard, but never got a reply from Bystander.

Not coming from southern Illinois either, I am really having hard time to see how can anybody talk to an older gentleman like that. I understand that Johann was accepted in Uppsala University for his doctorate, a very renown European University, founded in 1477. For me, that's enough to have a special respect for him, but Danny is shamelessly questioning even his intelligence!

In other languages there is a difference between talking with a person of your age, and somebody older than you (they address an older-than-you person in "plural"). You HAVE to talk to an older person with respect, if you care to speak correctly.

Bragging about being ignorant was one of the reasons (the big one) I stopped watching 3abn, some 6 years ago. I just couldn't stand watching that anymore.... Danny's few sentences that I learned very quickly. I couldn't comprehend anybody being proud of not having any school, not knowing your own language, not caring to read or learn anything, and thinking that the Holy Spirit is going to miraculously inspire you to sound like you know what you are talking about! I don't think so!

Isn't it writen of Jesus that he increased in wisdom and stature, that he grew and became strong in spirit filled with wisdom ...

I just didn't see that growth in Danny. That is sad!


Even though we (my husband & I) stopped watching them, we were still supporting them financially, because we thought God was indeed using them "inspite of them", as Danny also liked to say. The divorce, and especially his remarriage, made us think differently, but after finding this site, and after having the opportunity to read it for ourselves, (all the letters, emails, all well documented) we don't have any doubts anymore. God is not being glorified through the leadership of 3abn.

They do depend on our donations, don't they? That's why this site is so important, it educates those who are willing to grow in knowledge, doesn't it?! We love that!


Carmel

[Bystander]

Fran, it is obvious that you have never lived in southern Illinois. People like Danny take pride in their ignorance and lack of education. Where do you think the T-shirt with the logo, "I'm with stupid" came from? There was a man I was aquainted with who had no shame in telling people, "I come from poor white southern trailer trash." It is really sad. Rather than taking the opportunity of bettering themselves, instead they continue "making fun" of those who have chosen to be educated. Actually, a good example would be the way Bystander speaks toward Johann. Rather than shaming Johann, it merely show the ignorance and lack of the most rudimentary social skills on the part of Bystander. I would not like to use the word "stupid" to describe Bystander, but what else can be said of the disrespectful and ignorant remarks he continues to make toward Johann?
Sister

Now lets see...who is it that is ignorant and lacks the most rudimentary social skills? Who is it that is disrespectful and ignorant? Not to mention...cruel, vindictive, hurtful, nasty and hate filled. In looking back, sister, your posts certainly have changed from all of your crude and distasteful comments back several months ago. Seems the pending lawsuit would account for that. Now you hide your "true nature" behind a cloak of scripture and well meaning insights on said situation. Well, you are not fooling anybody. This was just a few of hundreds of degrading, defaming, nasty and hideous, posts that you have made. You might as well go back to accessing your true nature, your spiritual change came a little too late to make a difference in the suit being filed. All the earlier, accusations, allegations, slander, games and lies have already been obtained as evidence. I will say this for you..No one could have put themselves in a "better" position for just such a case. It took lots of time, imagination and cruelty to do what you have done on here. So, save your response for someone that doesn't know the "real" you. There are a few left who still, might buy it.

SISTER
So, in conclusion, it is difficult to get excited over the "bargain suit" when you know how Danny has channeled so much ministry money through his pockets over the years. Sorry, Dan, it was a good try, but you are going to have to do much better than that in order to fool all the people, all the time... You need to work on your showmanship, even P.T. Barnum didn't believe it was possible to fool all the people, all the time...

The house that Danny built is beginning to crumble and it is important to know all the players, for soon the entire drama will unfold.


Remember, Mollie never needs "facts"...she makes up the "truth" as she goes along.

Don't forget: Ken Denslows parents travel around in a new 3ABN RV promoting Danny and company. It appears that the plot is thickening. Who is ready to give the pot another stir?

There is so much back scratching going on at 3ABN you would think those folks were continually outside rolling in poison ivy. Today it is, "Look out and pray before entering into mutually benefitting relationships with Danny Shelton. Like the Devil, he just might try to charm you into selling you soul for the fleeting fame of being associated with him.

Concerning Shelton and Bush... depending upon your political position, that could just be one more deceiver being introduced to another. It seems Danny is trying to upgrade his image by being seen with the President. I hope they counted the silverware before and after Danny left the Whitehouse.

Once all the truth comes out about Danny and the Shelton Gang, the appearance of evil is going to stick on a lot of folks like warts on a frog.

Mollie will get things done his way irregardless of what the truth is, how many lies she has to tell or who she has to trample on to reach their goal.

Instead of going the way of hair plugs, this man fancies another means of hiding a receding hairline. But loss of hair is not the only secret he is hiding.

for correctly stating the part Goldie played in securing her son's freedom...

But the real question is: why is Garwin McNeilus pimping a sexual predator to the GC with the threat of removing the vast amount of funds he would normally contribute to the World Missions Department, unless they back off and allow Danny Shelton to continue the evil practices that he has hidden for so long behind the scenes at 3ABN? Is all the hype about McNeilus and his heart for missions nothing more than PR? Are his contributions merely a tactic to control the church? What binds Garwin McNeilus to Danny Shelton?