The Message To The Galatians...., good sermon..... Options

[Denny]

So.... devil's advocate... what good is the law?
It cannot save, so... why bother with the ... 10Commandments?

The 10C shows us that we need Jesus cos we can't keep them, He keeps them for us hence as the song says Not I but Christ. But the SDA legalist way is This way via the Nutso-Fundamentals..........

[mikemike]

So.... devil's advocate... what good is the law?
It cannot save, so... why bother with the ... 10Commandments?

so we have no need for the commandments that God told us to keep.

The 10C shows us that we need Jesus cos we can't keep them, He keeps them for us hence as the song says Not I but Christ. But the SDA legalist way is This way via the Nutso-Fundamentals..........

We do nothing, God keeps the commandments for us and we do nothings. Wow, and all this time I was following 1 Corinthians 7:19. What happen to make people think that God did not mean every word He said?

[Noahswife]

What happen to make people think that God did not mean every word He said?

MikeMike

Belated welcome to BSDA.

I suppose my question to you initially is why do you think every word attributed to God, He said? Until we clarify that or how many can be attributed to Him and to whom they were said, then how can we discuss what is meant?

Sorry folks I hope this does not take this thread careening off topic. If it does, Clay and Di forgive and move as needed as I would hate to see this thread get hijacked.

This post has been edited by Noahswife: May 23 2007, 07:19 AM

[YogusBearus]

so we have no need for the commandments that God told us to keep.

We do nothing, God keeps the commandments for us and we do nothings. Wow, and all this time I was following 1 Corinthians 7:19. What happen to make people think that God did not mean every word He said?

Quick suggestion mikey. Read the sermon resource and then comment. Posting the SDA knee-jerk reaction to the dichotomy between works based and faith based salvation adds nothing to the discussion.


-bear

[LeePaDee]

MIKEMIKE WROTE:
so we have no need for the commandments that God told us to keep.
------So, MM... keeping the commandments will get you into heaven. Have I understood your point??

[HUGGINS130]

so we have no need for the commandments that God told us to keep.

We do nothing, God keeps the commandments for us and we do nothings. Wow, and all this time I was following 1 Corinthians 7:19. What happen to make people think that God did not mean every word He said?

[Denny]

so we have no need for the commandments that God told us to keep.

We do nothing, God keeps the commandments for us and we do nothings. Wow, and all this time I was following 1 Corinthians 7:19. What happen to make people think that God did not mean every word He said?

Read what is written not what you think is written......

[Clay]

so we have no need for the commandments that God told us to keep.

We do nothing, God keeps the commandments for us and we do nothings. Wow, and all this time I was following 1 Corinthians 7:19. What happen to make people think that God did not mean every word He said? :dunno:

as I said, some ideas die hard.... something else to consider....

Heb 8:7-12

If the first agreement with God had been all right, there would not have been any need for another one. (8) But the Lord found fault with it and said, "I tell you the time will come, when I will make a new agreement with the people of Israel and the people of Judah. (9) It won't be like the agreement that I made with their ancestors, when I took them by the hand and led them out of Egypt. They broke their agreement with me, and I stopped caring about them! (10) "But now I tell the people of Israel this is my new agreement: 'The time will come when I, the Lord, will write my laws on their minds and hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. (11) Not one of them will have to teach another to know me, their Lord.' "All of them will know me, no matter who they are. (12) I will treat them with kindness, even though they are wicked. I will forget their sins."

[Clay]

this is deep IMO.... ponder this for a moment or two.....(emphasis mine)

The majority of people in our country do believe in God. They do believe that Jesus lived and He died on a cross. But the overwhelming majority believe that still isn't sufficient. They believe, I've got to do something; I've got to perform these religious functions in order ultimately to be saved. That is in contrast to the cross alone, which is understanding that Jesus died on the cross to do for me what I could not do for myself. Therefore, Jesus' death on the cross alone merits my salvation; I don't add anything to it.

When I understand the implications of the cross, what I'm saying is: I am a moral failure. I am unrighteous. I am damned and headed for hell, and I realize there's nothing I can do to change that. Therefore, I have to reach out to Jesus on the cross and trust Him as my Savior in order to experience salvation.

The cross, therefore, kicks the props out from under legalism. It puts the legalist out of business—because the legalist is about making a good showing, about performing. The meaning of the cross is: there's nothing you can do to make a good showing; you cannot perform well. Therefore, all you have is the cross. So the message of the cross is offensive to the legalists, because it puts them out of business.

I know there's a tendency to think, Well, as long as people believe that Jesus died on the cross—that's the main thing. And then if they add all these other things, then that's not that big of deal. Paul says no, that is a big deal. That has become a different gospel, which is no gospel at all. This is the point of the great divide. It's either all of grace or it's not. There's no middle ground.

More food for thought... emphasis mine...

Once I realize that this is no longer based on my performance (that I'm not out there competing with you and trying to perform for God to receive God's blessings) then my anxiety gives way to peace, because I realize this is all based on His mercy. I don't have to compete with you anymore. I don't have to challenge you anymore. I don't have to try to use you in order to make a good showing. I don't have to try and use you to make myself look spiritual. And I don't have to react to you when you fail, or you to me when I fail. But we're just fellow beggars who were hopeless and we received a gift. We're in this together, and we can love and support and encourage one another.
Is it easy? No, it's not. It's really hard. Verse 17: “From now on let no one cause trouble for me, for I bear on my body the brand-marks of Jesus.” Paul literally had been whipped multiple times because of his message of the cross. And do you know who whipped him? It wasn't the world. It was the religious world that whipped Him—the legalists—because they were offended by His message.

The reality is, Paul has told us it is not easy to be a person of grace. It's not! People of grace will always be persecuted by people of law. You need to just know that. It's not easy to have the legalists say, “You don't measure up…you're not doing this right…you're not very spiritual.” And our tendency is to conform to that. But Paul says, “Don't. Stand firm. Do not again subject yourself to a yoke of slavery.”

http://media.lincolnberean.org/pdfdocs/Gal..._11_18Trans.pdf

[HUGGINS130]

this is deep IMO.... ponder this for a moment or two.....(emphasis mine)


QUOTE
The majority of people in our country do believe in God. They do believe that Jesus lived and He died on a cross. But the overwhelming majority believe that still isn't sufficient. They believe, I've got to do something; I've got to perform these religious functions in order ultimately to be saved. That is in contrast to the cross alone, which is understanding that Jesus died on the cross to do for me what I could not do for myself. Therefore, Jesus' death on the cross alone merits my salvation; I don't add anything to it.

When I understand the implications of the cross, what I'm saying is: I am a moral failure. I am unrighteous. I am damned and headed for hell, and I realize there's nothing I can do to change that. Therefore, I have to reach out to Jesus on the cross and trust Him as my Savior in order to experience salvation.

The cross, therefore, kicks the props out from under legalism. It puts the legalist out of business—because the legalist is about making a good showing, about performing. The meaning of the cross is: there's nothing you can do to make a good showing; you cannot perform well. Therefore, all you have is the cross. So the message of the cross is offensive to the legalists, because it puts them out of business.

I know there's a tendency to think, Well, as long as people believe that Jesus died on the cross—that's the main thing. And then if they add all these other things, then that's not that big of deal. Paul says no, that is a big deal. That has become a different gospel, which is no gospel at all. This is the point of the great divide. It's either all of grace or it's not. There's no middle ground.


More food for thought... emphasis mine...


QUOTE
Once I realize that this is no longer based on my performance (that I'm not out there competing with you and trying to perform for God to receive God's blessings) then my anxiety gives way to peace, because I realize this is all based on His mercy. I don't have to compete with you anymore. I don't have to challenge you anymore. I don't have to try to use you in order to make a good showing. I don't have to try and use you to make myself look spiritual. And I don't have to react to you when you fail, or you to me when I fail. But we're just fellow beggars who were hopeless and we received a gift. We're in this together, and we can love and support and encourage one another.
Is it easy? No, it's not. It's really hard. Verse 17: “From now on let no one cause trouble for me, for I bear on my body the brand-marks of Jesus.” Paul literally had been whipped multiple times because of his message of the cross. And do you know who whipped him? It wasn't the world. It was the religious world that whipped Him—the legalists—because they were offended by His message.

The reality is, Paul has told us it is not easy to be a person of grace. It's not! People of grace will always be persecuted by people of law. You need to just know that. It's not easy to have the legalists say, “You don't measure up…you're not doing this right…you're not very spiritual.” And our tendency is to conform to that. But Paul says, “Don't. Stand firm. Do not again subject yourself to a yoke of slavery.”



http://media.lincolnberean.org/pdfdocs/Gal..._11_18Trans.pdf




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Clay
"The universe (he said) is the Great All, and offers a paradox too great for the finite mind to grasp. As the living brain cannot conceive of a non-living brain - although it may think it can - the finite mind cannot grasp the infinite." -The Dark Tower-

Micah 6:8 "do what is right, love mercy, & walk without pride before your God."

Until people come before Christ and receive His mercy, they too will continue to experience the 400 years of wandering in the wilderness. A relationship with Christ, will put you at the foot of the cross, and there you will truly find peace, joy, and freedom! You can find nothing but grace and mercy at the cross of Christ...Slavery is not fun, and a relationship with Christ is the only way one can truly escape being the slaves of men, religious men!!! Thanks for this Clay!

This post has been edited by HUGGINS130: May 24 2007, 11:10 AM

[YogusBearus]

this is deep IMO.... ponder this for a moment or two.....(emphasis mine)



More food for thought... emphasis mine...



http://media.lincolnberean.org/pdfdocs/Gal..._11_18Trans.pdf

Clay, thank you for allowing us to share your study on this. It is very gratifying.

-bear

[Clay]

Clay, thank you for allowing us to share your study on this. It is very gratifying.

-bear

I saw the site, read the contents and found it liberating... so I wanted to share with you all....

[awesumtenor]

Until people come before Christ and receive His mercy, they too will continue to experience the 400 years of wandering in the wilderness.

Umm... they only wandered in the wilderness for 40 years, bruh... you're thinking about the 430 years they spent in Egypt...

In His service,
Mr. J

[PeacefulBe]

1 Corinthian 1: 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

This is another verse along the lines of what Pastor Bryan is voicing. When I ran across the verse shortly after I reconnected with the Lord two years ago, I read it and understood it to be referring to those like my husband who see religion as a silly crutch, a fairly tail. As I read the portions of the study that Clay has posted above, I now realize it also applies to those trapped in the practice of legalism who, by their very actions, show that they don't trust in the true power of salvation that the cross respresents.

[HUGGINS130]

Umm... they only wandered in the wilderness for 40 years, bruh... you're thinking about the 430 years they spent in Egypt...

In His service,
Mr. J

Thanks for the correction, too much Bob Marley has never been good for anyone!
400 year 400 years...had that on my mind when posting about the 40 years in the wilderness...man that's not so cool

This post has been edited by HUGGINS130: May 25 2007, 04:43 AM