3-abn & Af Merger, Is it on hold? Options

[Noahswife]

Wow! So you are saying that we are a powerful force that must be reckoned with!

[princessdi]

It seems quite clear to most people that the reason it was announced before any details had been worked out is simple. If they would have kept it private while going through months of details, you all who seem to have nothing better to do than to track AF and 3abn's movements would have been all over it with your accusations and speculation. Just imagine the spins that would have been made that AF and 3abn were having "secret" meetings. Then you all would have went to the opposite argument. "Why don't they just tell us what they are working on?" "Why is this secret, what do they have to hide?" "Don't they think their supporters need to know what they are planning?"

That's why it was announced before concrete details were worked out.
Just more evidence that for some, no matter what they do, it would be wrong.

I actually don't think AF was really mentioned that much until the merge was annouced let alone "keeping track" of them, were they?

Point is they prematurely annouced it as if it was a done deal, as if all the major details had been worked out. They weren't. It didn't help that your dearly departed cohorts were here trying to answer questions when they had no idea how a merge would work. They should have at least been informed, don't you think?

It amazes me that if "it's all about Danny" how he could get a large and well respected ministry like AF to go along with his "whims." That conclusion makes as much sense as the one stated here that AF their board, 3abn their board and the conference officials that are involved had an emergency meeting and decided to merge because Linda got a new lawyer for their personal property case!!!
Since you say Danny has done this to save his credibility, what If ,for some reason, DS and 3ABN decided against merging, what would you say then?Again, let me point out the lack of good sense by saying "Danny did this because" implying, again, that AF, their board, Doug and the conference officials had no say in it.

I would say that makes total sense. I believe it is Danny who came upon some unexpected and currently unacceptable stipulations. I totally believe this is why they are "stuck" months later in investigation mode, and the language has changed from that initial confidence he once had in it's success. You know all those dreams and vision, etc. I suggest that he does need this merge to salvage his credibility, but that he believed because he initiated contact with AF, that he would be able to "control" the conditions. Sure he would allow DB to be the front man, but you can bet your bottom dollar there was something in it for Danny. Steffan, we keep trying to tell you, this is not Sabbath School.

[mikell]

lurker, so true, so true and the sad thing is, I personally know Kenny Shelton who was one of the founders of 3ABN back when they started up with the idea in 1985. After Kenny and Danny were country traveling around a few years later telling of the 3ABN story, Danny demanded for Kenny to step aside, to get out of the picture, for to make it look like Danny alone founded 3ABN. I know personally Danny wanted all the glory for himself! Way back then!

Then Danny had all of his Brother Kenny's weekly programs pulled off of 3ABN air in banning Kenny from ever coming to 3ABN ever again! Once that took place, whom Kenny had his own SDA Church, and Behold the Lamb Ministry, none of the workers at 3ABN were allowed to visited Kenny's Church or Danny would have them fired!

Goldie, Kenny’s and Danny's mom whom I personally talked to, she told me how Danny was even mad at her for taking Kenny's side! So mad Danny was at her, his own mother feared him in suing her for all what she had in this life, if she continued to support Kenny. This was going on back in 1989 to 1990! Now Danny has been in power ever since, so reading the things on the website, rescue3abn.blog.com does not surprise me that all of it is really TRUE!!! 3ABN sure needs our prayers!!! It sure does appear at this point that the little Joseph Stalin Danny Shelton sure needs to GO, just like Achan did!!! Whom does 3ABN really belong to? To whose glory? And what should be its true purpose?

[Rosyroi]

About the merger of 3abn and Amazing Facts, would anyone know if rescue3abn.blog.com has any truth to it? It seems so extreme if all what is written out is true, I have a hard time to believe it. Can any of you back it up or say it is all of a lie? thanks, Mikell[/font]

Interesting. I never heard of rescue3abn.blog.com. will have to check it out. So many people with so many agendas and so many suppositions and so many opinions and .... and ... and....



Rosyroi

[mikell]

lurker,
so true, so true and the sad thing is, I personally know Kenny Shelton who was one of the founders of 3ABN back when they started up with the idea in 1985. After Kenny and Danny were country traveling around the USA a few years later telling of the 3ABN story, Danny demanded for Kenny to step aside; to get out of the picture, for to make it look like Danny alone founded 3ABN. Danny wanted all the glory for himself! Way back then! Then Danny had all of his Brother Kenny's weekly programs pulled off of 3ABN air in banning Kenny from ever coming to 3ABN ever again! Once that took place, which Kenny had his own SDA Church, and Behold the Lamb Ministry, none of the workers at 3ABN were allowed to visit Kenny's Church or Danny would have them fired!

Goldie, Kenny’s and Danny's mom whom I personally talked to; she told me how Danny was even mad at her for taking Kenny's side! So angry that Danny was at his own mother, she feared him, in suing her for all what she had in this life, if she continued to support Kenny. This was going on back in 1989 to 1990! Now Danny has been in power ever since, so reading all the things on the other websites, such as save3abn and rescue3abn.blog.com does not surprise me that all of it is really TRUE!!! 3ABN sure needs our prayers!!! The little Joseph Stalin Danny Shelton sure needs to GO, just like Achan needed to GO long ago in Isreal!

[steffan]

[color=#993399]I actually don't think AF was really mentioned that much until the merge was annouced let alone "keeping track" of them, were they?

You keep saying this is not sabbath school and yet, you are not paying attention. I said If 3abn and AF had begun to have private meetings to discuss a merge, you all would have been all over it, speculating, allegating and accusing as to, what was going on in these "secret" meetings.
Then, you really went out on a limb saying that months down the road they are stalled because Danny thought this and Danny thought that.....The truth is Danny nor Doug have had time to have anymore meetings since Doug was at 3abn to announce the merger. Neither ministry goes by what you all think the time table should be. They go by their own schedules and when they can work meetings in. That is very difficult for both of them right now.

[sonshineonme]

You keep saying this is not sabbath school and yet, you are not paying attention. I said If 3abn and AF had begun to have private meetings to discuss a merge, you all would have been all over it, speculating, allegating and accusing as to, what was going on in these "secret" meetings.
Then, you really went out on a limb saying that months down the road they are stalled because Danny thought this and Danny thought that.....The truth is Danny nor Doug have had time to have anymore meetings since Doug was at 3abn to announce the merger. Neither ministry goes by what you all think the time table should be. They go by their own schedules and when they can work meetings in. That is very difficult for both of them right now.

"Steffan", since when, have you ever cared what anyone here thinks? You (ds) have never cared what "we all" have "been all over" previously...what difference would it have made if you had done this behind closed doors...sorry, I see this as a lame explanation on your part. Add to that, ds said this was in the works for months, and yet db says it was virtually "sudden and over night"...and certainly, you did ask Doug what he thought about announcing something that SOUNDED done and in complete accord so prematurely, right? I think you are not paying attention to how much we do pay attention. It's one thing to announce the idea, it's quite another to make it sound as though it's a done deal. There were options in the middle.....lets not blame the folks here at bsda for this one...I know some can't help but blame everyone else for everything, but please, you can see that this is a weak statement.

Frankly, I am very happy it happened just like it did....it has caused many to get involved in this now, rather then later, while some may have regrets about the transaction later, from the lack of "time" to review, etc.

And speaking of time....no time for meetings Steffan????? You mean, something so exciting and important as this supposed in the works merger and no one has time for it? I think you are confused....it's the BOARD(S) that make decisions. Not Doug and NOT Danny (oops, wait, yes, Danny does, in spite of his "board" - what was I thinking?).

You are right, they go by their own schedules, and db seems to have respect for his board and their approving of any such merger, among with others do think - that includes the public, which I am positive he has heard from in abundance, as well as high ranking officials in the sda church who I'm sure have added their input, naturally. Keep at it "steffan". We learn so much from you. You are a valuable asset here at bsda.

[Seraphim7]

I actually don't think AF was really mentioned that much until the merge was annouced let alone "keeping track" of them, were they?

Point is they prematurely annouced it as if it was a done deal, as if all the major details had been Point is they prematurely annouced it as if it was a done deal, as if all the major details had been worked out. They weren't. worked out. They weren't. It didn't help that your dearly departed cohorts were here trying to answer questions when they had no idea how a merge would work. They should have at least been informed, don't you think?

... Sure he would allow DB to be the front man, but you can bet your bottom dollar there was something in it for Danny. Steffan, we keep trying to tell you, this is not Sabbath School.

Exactly P-Di Which IMO, was by design...

This, we can feed folk anything, cuz they fell off a potato truck, mentality has got to end.

[mikell]

Exactly P-Di Which IMO, was by design...

This, we can feed folk anything, cuz they fell off a potato truck, mentality has got to end.

Seraphim7, of course something is in it for ds, for his butt to remain in power! Db, is ds cya guy!!!

[Seraphim7]

Seraphim7, of course something is in it for ds, for his butt to remain in power! Db, is ds cya guy!!!

I believe someone else may have mentioned "something in it for ds". But I do not recall it being from me.

[runner4him]

Interesting. I never heard of rescue3abn.blog.com. will have to check it out. So many people with so many agendas and so many suppositions and so many opinions and .... and ... and....



Rosyroi

I have not been at the rescue3abn site but will check it out too. Do not even know which side they are on but......

Just thought of something. With the court documents sealed...and the apparent attempt of DS trying to put a muzzle on Pickle and Joy, how about others downloading all the info there before the site is gone? Then those who feel convicted to climb out on that limb and join the front line men could create many websites to continue the battle to save 3abn. They cannot sue everyone! I heard the blogs are not traceable like the web site is.

How about some feedback....

[mikell]

I believe someone else may have mentioned "something in it for ds". But I do not recall it being from me.

Seraphim7, I stand corrected! It was from, princessdi that you were talking to.

[Artiste]

I have not been at the rescue3abn site but will check it out too. Do not even know which side they are on but......

Just thought of something. With the court documents sealed...and the apparent attempt of DS trying to put a muzzle on Pickle and Joy, how about others downloading all the info there before the site is gone? Then those who feel convicted to climb out on that limb and join the front line men could create many websites to continue the battle to save 3abn. They cannot sue everyone! I heard the blogs are not traceable like the web site is.

How about some feedback....

I think more blogs is a great idea!

Remeber the role bloggers have had in influencing the "old media" even before blogging became so widespread and more respectable!

[mikell]

I think more blogs is a great idea!

Remeber the role bloggers have had in influencing the "old media" even before blogging became so widespread and more respectable!

Well, whoever wrote up the blog on rescue3abn.blog.com recieved a somewhat threat from 3ABN, through a website guy who calls himeslf, "truth4seekers" Is this ds or one of his workers??? Does anyone know who is "truth4seekers?" rescue3abn.blog.com is the strongest words against ds, more so then any seen so far. The threat to the site is understandable. But the site iteself is informative way how things are going at 3abn.

[sonshineonme]

Well, whoever wrote up the blog on rescue3abn.blog.com recieved a somewhat threat from 3ABN, through a website guy who calls himeslf, "truth4seekers" Is this ds or one of his workers??? Does anyone know who is "truth4seekers?" rescue3abn.blog.com is the strongest words against ds, more so then any seen so far. The threat to the site is understandable. But the site iteself is informative way how things are going at 3abn.

Mikell, where did you see this threat made by "truth4seekers"?
p.s. nice to have you hear at bsda!