 General Conference Suspends 3abn's Status, Supportive Ministry Status suspended by GC announcement |
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  Jun 4 2007, 09:52 AM
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I just received this email.
"-------Original Message------- From: Denis Hankinson Date: 06/01/07 00:07:37 Subject: Updates from SPD Administrators' Council and Institute of Public Evangelism Committees Greetings Just a quick update on the recent meetings I attended. Division Administrators - Update on 3ABN (bold emphasis mine) The General Conference has suspended 3ABN Supportive Ministry status until some well known issues in more than one area are sorted out. Basically, a lot of smoke doesn't necessarily presume a fire, but it definitely needs investigation and caution. (edited rest of content in email not relating to this item) Kind regards Denis Dr Denis Hankinson President - Seventh-day Adventist Church (Victoria) " This post has been edited by sonshineonme: Jun 4 2007, 10:39 AM -------------------- Here's the thing - "...if you pull "folks" into a fight you don't know what "weapon" they will bring." PrincessDrRe "A man who digs a pit for others to fall into, will end up falling into it himself. And if a man rolls a stone on someone, the stone will roll back on him". Said Solomon the wise, Proverbs 26:27 "No man can follow Christ and go astray." William H.P. Faunce "If I could hear Christ praying for me in the next room, I would not fear a million enemies. Yet distance makes no difference. He is praying for me." Robert M. McCheyne Click here for Linda Shelton's newly updated website |
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Jun 4 2007, 10:11 AM
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That loud THUD you just heard was the proverbial "other shoe"...
In His service, Mr. J -------------------- There is no one more dangerous than one who thinks he knows God with a mind that is ignorant - Dr. Lewis Anthony
You’ve got to be real comfortable in your own skin to survive the animosity your strength evokes in people you'd hope would like you. - Dr. Renita Weems |
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Jun 4 2007, 10:12 AM
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**** dum-da-dum-dum-dummmmm ****
(for the youngsters that don't know.....that is the theme from dragnet - an old black and white TV detective show. "Sgt. Joe Friday reporting Sir! Yessir! I'll get right on it Sir!" ) QUOTE(sonshineonme @ Jun 4 2007, 09:52 AM) [snapback]198210[/snapback] I just received this email. "-------Original Message------- From: Denis Hankinson Date: 06/01/07 00:07:37 Subject: Updates from SPD Administrators' Council and Institute of Public Evangelism Committees Greetings Just a quick update on the recent meetings I attended. Division Administrators - Update on 3ABN (bold emphasis mine) The General Conference has suspended 3ABN Supportive Ministry status until some well known issues in more than one area are sorted out. Basically, a lot of smoke doesn't necessarily presume a fire, but it definitely needs investigation and caution. " This post has been edited by mozart: Jun 4 2007, 10:13 AM -------------------- Thess. 2:16-17 - Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work."
[quote: fine art] "Instead we seem to be using sensationalism, emotionalism, moving lights and motivational speakers that are prepared to manipulate, by well chosen words, the minds of the listeners. It used to be, messages that were given by our pioneers were wrenched from the depths of the heart by the Holy Spirit. Humor was not added to get that laugh of entertainment. Drama was not introduced behind the sacred desk to glue your attention. Man's Rationale has replaced a cry for God's wisdom." "How To Be Free From Bitterness" ( booklet written by Jim Wilson of Community Christian Ministries, Moscow, Idaho - E-mail: ccm@moscow.com ) |
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Jun 4 2007, 10:14 AM
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I hear the sound of chickens coming home.....
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March- Ok where is spring? .. |
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Jun 4 2007, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE(sonshineonme @ Jun 4 2007, 08:52 AM) [snapback]198210[/snapback] I just received this email. "-------Original Message------- From: Denis Hankinson Date: 06/01/07 00:07:37 Subject: Updates from SPD Administrators' Council and Institute of Public Evangelism Committees Greetings Just a quick update on the recent meetings I attended. Division Administrators - Update on 3ABN (bold emphasis mine) The General Conference has suspended 3ABN Supportive Ministry status until some well known issues in more than one area are sorted out. Basically, a lot of smoke doesn't necessarily presume a fire, but it definitely needs investigation and caution. " I have contacted the appropriate person at the General Conference (e-mail and fax) and asked that person either to vereify the quotation, or to otherwise comment on it. In addition, I have informed them that I will post their response, whatever it is. I await their reply. This post has been edited by Observer: Jun 4 2007, 10:52 AM -------------------- Gregory Matthews posts here under the name "Observer."
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Jun 4 2007, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(sonshineonme @ Jun 4 2007, 09:52 AM) [snapback]198210[/snapback] I just received this email. "-------Original Message------- From: Denis Hankinson Date: 06/01/07 00:07:37 Subject: Updates from SPD Administrators' Council and Institute of Public Evangelism Committees Greetings Just a quick update on the recent meetings I attended. Division Administrators - Update on 3ABN (bold emphasis mine) The General Conference has suspended 3ABN Supportive Ministry status until some well known issues in more than one area are sorted out. Basically, a lot of smoke doesn't necessarily presume a fire, but it definitely needs investigation and caution. " Show of hands....who else would like to be a fly on the wall in Danny's office right now? -------------------- Duane Clem
It's not about religion, it's about a relationship. Gems of Wisdom "Lisa and Ronda are not Danny's biological father." -- wwjd, 2/8/07 "Watchbird, The facts prove the above lie." -- wwjd, 2/13/07 "Another lie that can be proven..." -- Bystander, 3/18/07 "The thing about lies is they can be proven." -- Aletheia, 3/22/07 "I am not here to argue" -- Aletheia, 4/24/07 "She didn't move to 3ABN, she moved to Illinois" -- Aletheia, 4/25/07 "Hope is liberal. 3abn is not." -- steffan, 6/9/07 "Danny Shelton does not decide what goes on the air, period." -- appletree, 8/22/07 http://www.save-3abn.com/ http://www.investigating3abn.info/ http://rescue3abn.blog.com/ http://www.abundantrest.org/?p=74 http://abundantrest.org/2007/02/18/3abn-sa...ons-retirement/ http://anewsabbathschool.blogspot.com/2006...ain-wrecks.html http://cafesda.blogspot.com/2006/08/atoday...bn-news_21.html http://www.atoday.com/email/2007/02/12/ http://spectrummagazine.typepad.com/the_sp...eans_and_e.html |
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Jun 4 2007, 10:28 AM
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 me-e-e-e  QUOTE(ex3ABNemployee @ Jun 4 2007, 10:22 AM) [snapback]198217[/snapback] Show of hands....who else would like to be a fly on the wall in Danny's office right now? -------------------- Thess. 2:16-17 - Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work."
[quote: fine art] "Instead we seem to be using sensationalism, emotionalism, moving lights and motivational speakers that are prepared to manipulate, by well chosen words, the minds of the listeners. It used to be, messages that were given by our pioneers were wrenched from the depths of the heart by the Holy Spirit. Humor was not added to get that laugh of entertainment. Drama was not introduced behind the sacred desk to glue your attention. Man's Rationale has replaced a cry for God's wisdom." "How To Be Free From Bitterness" ( booklet written by Jim Wilson of Community Christian Ministries, Moscow, Idaho - E-mail: ccm@moscow.com ) |
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Jun 4 2007, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(ex3ABNemployee @ Jun 4 2007, 12:22 PM) [snapback]198217[/snapback] Show of hands....who else would like to be a fly on the wall in Danny's office right now?  Not to mention the burden of proof for Danny's legal dream team just got a bit heavier to bear... and any findings of fact the church has are bound to be exculpatory... In His service, Mr. J -------------------- There is no one more dangerous than one who thinks he knows God with a mind that is ignorant - Dr. Lewis Anthony
You’ve got to be real comfortable in your own skin to survive the animosity your strength evokes in people you'd hope would like you. - Dr. Renita Weems |
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Jun 4 2007, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(Observer @ Jun 4 2007, 09:20 AM) [snapback]198216[/snapback] For those of you who may not know, Denis Hankinson is on the Executive Committe of the Australian Union Conference. I am not certain of his exact postion, otherwise. I have contacted the appropriate person at the General Conference (e-mail and fax) and asked that person either to vereify the quotation, or to otherwise comment on it. In addition, I have informed them that I will post their response, whatever it is. I await their reply. My mistake, I left his signature off at bottom. I have added it to my original post. -------------------- Here's the thing - "...if you pull "folks" into a fight you don't know what "weapon" they will bring." PrincessDrRe "A man who digs a pit for others to fall into, will end up falling into it himself. And if a man rolls a stone on someone, the stone will roll back on him". Said Solomon the wise, Proverbs 26:27 "No man can follow Christ and go astray." William H.P. Faunce "If I could hear Christ praying for me in the next room, I would not fear a million enemies. Yet distance makes no difference. He is praying for me." Robert M. McCheyne Click here for Linda Shelton's newly updated website |
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Jun 4 2007, 10:45 AM
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Y'all excuse me a minute while I remove my tiara................ Dang!!!!! Ok hold on a minute............
 ....Ok I'm back.......
-------------------- TTFN
Di And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose---Romans 8:28 A great many people believe they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.-- William James It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.- Mark Twain |
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Jun 4 2007, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(sonshineonme @ Jun 4 2007, 09:40 AM) [snapback]198221[/snapback] My mistake, I left his signature off at bottom. I have added it to my original post. O.K. I have revised my comment. Peace. -------------------- Gregory Matthews posts here under the name "Observer."
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Jun 4 2007, 11:12 AM
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Definitly an interesting development....
-------------------- Got Peace?
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. "Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else." Aunt B, 2007 |
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Jun 4 2007, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE(Observer @ Jun 4 2007, 12:20 PM) [snapback]198216[/snapback] I have contacted the appropriate person at the General Conference (e-mail and fax) and asked that person either to vereify the quotation, or to otherwise comment on it. In addition, I have informed them that I will post their response, whatever it is. I await their reply. That may not net you much in the way of response, for have heard that the GC does not want to be "involved" in anything. But I have also heard that these types of directives did indeed go out to various Divisions... who were seemingly expected to handle things in their own areas. I am really surprised that a conference official openly stated that this came from the GC. We got word some weeks ago that there had been some action taken by the SPD, and later that this action had been in response to instructions from GC. But since this was not directly from a conference official who gave permission for his name to be attached, I have said nothing publicly about this previously. But hopefully, this is now the beginnings of open admission on the part of those in "high places" that they have indeed, been "doing something" behind the scenes all along, and are now, hopefully willing to make their actions public... or at least some of them. Since this is so nearly identical to information I had received, albiet second-hand, from an SPD officer, I take this as confirmation of something that is, indeed factual. |
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Jun 4 2007, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE(watchbird @ Jun 4 2007, 11:27 AM) [snapback]198228[/snapback] That may not net you much in the way of response, for have heard that the GC does not want to be "involved" in anything. But I have also heard that these types of directives did indeed go out to various Divisions... who were seemingly expected to handle things in their own areas. I am really surprised that a conference official openly stated that this came from the GC. We got word some weeks ago that there had been some action taken by the SPD, and later that this action had been in response to instructions from GC. But since this was not directly from a conference official who gave permission for his name to be attached, I have said nothing publicly about this previously. But hopefully, this is now the beginnings of open admission on the part of those in "high places" that they have indeed, been "doing something" behind the scenes all along, and are now, hopefully willing to make their actions public... or at least some of them. Since this is so nearly identical to information I had received, albiet second-hand, from an SPD officer, I take this as confirmation of something that is, indeed factual. A number of us have been told that there is something along this line going on. But, we have not said anything because we were not able to verify it. One question in my mind is: Is this an action of the General Conference, or of the South Pacific Division? The bottom line is that now that this comment has been published, I can go back to people, ask for verification or comment, and tell them that I will publish thier comment. I intend to seek comment from more than one source. I will keep you informed. On a technicality: An action by a Division is an action by the General Conference for that Division. As organized, Divisions are sections of the General Conference, and are not seperate from the General Conference, as are Unions. -------------------- Gregory Matthews posts here under the name "Observer."
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Jun 4 2007, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE(ex3ABNemployee @ Jun 4 2007, 09:22 AM) [snapback]198217[/snapback] Show of hands....who else would like to be a fly on the wall in Danny's office right now? Has anyone contacted 3ABN to ask them about it? I'm sorely tempted. -------------------- "The entire world is falling apart because no one will admit they are wrong." -- Don Miller, Blue Like Jazz. |
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