General Conference Suspends 3abn's Status, Supportive Ministry Status suspended by GC announcement Options

[ex3ABNemployee]

I guess the GC is another "little group" that is just out to attack Danny. I can't wait to hear his spin on this.

Come to think of it, I'd like to hear Steffan's comments on this as well. I never thought I would miss the dannyscribes, but I'd love to know what they're thinking right now.

This post has been edited by ex3ABNemployee: Jun 4 2007, 04:01 PM

[sonshineonme]

I guess the GC is another "little group" that is just out to attack Danny. I can't wait to hear his spin on this.

Come to think of it, I'd like to hear Steffan's comments on this as well. I never thought I would miss the dannyscribes, but I'd love to know what they're thinking right now.

No worries....I know they have been reading here at bsda, they know what's happening....I'm sure they are working on something as we speak. I'm sure they are hearing from others as we speak too...

I will be watching myself to see just how DS spins this one...all these little groups to manage, getting in the way...must keep a person busy.

Oh to be a fly....

[mozart]

yes thanks from me too. that's how i misread it as well.

Thanks to you and joyce for straightening me out! Somehow I misread the email you posted and thought the decision was from Dr. Denis Hankinson's conference, even though it clearly says "GC". I think I put Gregory's information about Denis' being a member of the Australian Union Conference Executive Committee along with his quote "Just a quick update on the recent meetings I attended." and made mistake of thinking that his committee was the one temporarily suspending the 3abn supporting ministry status.

[Johann]

Thanks to you and joyce for straightening me out! Somehow I misread the email you posted and thought the decision was from Dr. Denis Hankinson's conference, even though it clearly says "GC". I think I put Gregory's information about Denis' being a member of the Australian Union Conference Executive Committee along with his quote "Just a quick update on the recent meetings I attendehes, andd." and made mistake of thinking that his committee was the one temporarily suspending the 3abn supporting ministry status.

You might not have been too far off, PB! The statement could be slightly misleading. Really, the GC might send out directives to the Divisions, and they again to the Unions, who might forward them to the Conferences. From there it is the option of the Conference if it will forward the directives to the local churches and their pastors.

The letter we see tells us the directives here have been heeded by the Victoria Conference in Australia. That does not tell us that any other conference has done the same.

It could well be that 3ABN has been aware of this move, and therefore we hear of John Lomacang praying that Danny will see his way through the darkness, believing he, in spite of all, is the anointed one.

I have watched Danny Shelton and Doug Batchelor on 3ABN this past weekend, and it seems obvious that Danny is fighting a desperate fight. I was wondering why Molly appeared together with the 3ABN folks in Australia again and again. Now it seems obvious this is a counterattack to convince people that 3ABN is, after all, accepted by some people in Australia. At the same time she was appealing for funds to help 3ABN in Australia. Those funds are sorely needed, according to Mollie.

[mozart]

oh dear, so is it possible.......... oh, man, i feel like i've just had a wicked thought.
could GMcDanny have conned and used DB & AF with the emergency meetings and "jump the gun" announcement of a merger just to appeal for "millions of dollars for their joint venture and evangelical school"? i truly hope i'm wrong.

You might not have been too far off, PB! The statement could be slightly misleading. Really, the GC might send out directives to the Divisions, and they again to the Unions, who might forward them to the Conferences. From there it is the option of the Conference if it will forward the directives to the local churches and their pastors.

The letter we see tells us the directives here have been heeded by the Victoria Conference in Australia. That does not tell us that any other conference has done the same.

It could well be that 3ABN has been aware of this move, and therefore we hear of John Lomacang praying that Danny will see his way through the darkness, believing he, in spite of all, is the anointed one.

I have watched Danny Shelton and Doug Batchelor on 3ABN this past weekend, and it seems obvious that Danny is fighting a desperate fight. I was wondering why Molly appeared together with the 3ABN folks in Australia again and again. Now it seems obvious this is a counterattack to convince people that 3ABN is, after all, accepted by some people in Australia. At the same time she was appealing for funds to help 3ABN in Australia. Those funds are sorely needed, according to Mollie.

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[Johann]

oh dear, so is it possible.......... oh, man, i feel like i've just had a wicked thought.
could GMcDanny have conned and used DB & AF with the emergency meetings and "jump the gun" announcement of a merger just to appeal for "millions of dollars for their joint venture and evangelical school"? i truly hope i'm wrong.

Usually you ain't.

[SoulEspresso]

Let's pray this announcment becomes public before too much $ goes into that ...

This post has been edited by SoulEspresso: Jun 4 2007, 05:02 PM

[LadyTenor]

I hear the sound of chickens coming home.....

...to roost....

Show of hands....who else would like to be a fly on the wall in Danny's office right now?

Talia raises her hand....

Well, regardless, now they have NO choice BUT to back out of the deal uniting with 3ABN, it is my prayer that DB does!!!

Nothing says that DB or his minstry has to back out of this deal.....

[Johann]

Let's pray this announcment becomes public before too much $ goes into that ...

Amen!

[mikell]

I guess the GC is another "little group" that is just out to attack Danny. I can't wait to hear his spin on this.

Come to think of it, I'd like to hear Steffan's comments on this as well. I never thought I would miss the dannyscribes, but I'd love to know what they're thinking right now.

Hi, ex3abner, . Since you been there and know alot what is going on, could you tell me if rescue3abn.blog.com is over the top? If everything in it is true, Ha, Danny should be burning in hell fire! It can't be all that bad, is it??? Is it possible that Danny is being just misunderstood, a victim????

[rwelchcrs]

This announcement of GC involvement is the event I've been waiting for a long time. If any GC official is reading here, I want you to know that I am one lay person who is very grateful to see evidence that the leadership is finally stepping up. My confidence in you is being restored. But, don't stop here! Please make it loud and clear that you are concerned, that you care, and that you do indeed believe there is sufficient reason to investigate the 3ABN issues, and to caution the laity to be careful with their donations.

[SoulEspresso]

This announcement of GC involvement is the event I've been waiting for a long time. If any GC official is reading here, I want you to know that I am one lay person who is very grateful to see evidence that the leadership is finally stepping up. My confidence in you is being restored. But, don't stop here! Please make it loud and clear that you are concerned, that you care, and that you do indeed believe there is sufficient reason to investigate the 3ABN issues, and to caution the laity to be careful with their donations.

Everything rwelchcrs said!

This post has been edited by SoulEspresso: Jun 4 2007, 05:24 PM

[watchbird]

This announcement of GC involvement is the event I've been waiting for a long time. If any GC official is reading here, I want you to know that I am one lay person who is very grateful to see evidence that the leadership is finally stepping up. My confidence in you is being restored. But, don't stop here! Please make it loud and clear that you are concerned, that you care, and that you do indeed believe there is sufficient reason to investigate the 3ABN issues, and to caution the laity to be careful with their donations.

Everything rwelchcrs said!

......... and MORE!......

[Fran]

This morning I received this through the email. I have waited for the person who sent it to post it. Since they have not, I am posting it.

There were several other items of interest that I feel are good moves by our General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists.

I am also waiting for confirmation that this is indeed fact. I spoke to Mollie this AM. She had no idea what I was talking about. I referred her to BSDA.

I have very emotional feelings about this action, if indeed it is true. My heart is broken that things have come this far.

I am one that wants 3ABN the network to survive and turn around to truly become God's ministry vs. Danny's Ministry.

However, it hurts me because I believe God is grieving over this matter. Our Lord is very long suffering and kind He has waited 3 years for the turn around to happen. He has given every opportunity for those at 3ABN to see the light, but sometimes we have a hard time letting go of something we have believed in and worked for.

I have to finish my stages of grief before I am sure what I feel.

As drastic a measure as this seems, it had to be done. The World church must form a united front and lead us into the path of righteousness instead of taking no action at all as it does so many times.

Notice the other items that are covered in this communique. Notice the Church Name Protection; Reinstatement of Ministers Fallen from Grace; Workload and other HR concerns.

Greetings

Just a quick update on the recent meetings I attended.

Division Administrators meetings



Update on 3ABN

The General Conference has suspended 3ABN's Supportive Ministry status until some well known issues in more than one area are sorted out. Basically, a lot of smoke doesn't necessarily presume a fire, but it definitely needs investigation and caution.

Human Resources and Work Choices and Volunteers

There is a lot of work for our HR department and Executive in trying to make sure we are regulation compliant.

The main impact is on Volunteers. The legislation has tightened up in this area, so before coming to an arrangement for someone to do regular work for your church on a volunteer basis, please check with Wayne Stanley who heads up our HR department.

Church Name Protection

It is very important that any group that is not part of our church but uses our name needs to be reported to the Conference. If not followed up in a reasonable time it leaves our church less able to stop the misuse of our name in the future. For queries in this area, please see Wayne Stanley.

Ministry of Reconciliation

The General Conference is putting special focus into discipleship in the next year or two. For every 100 baptism world-wide, approximately 35 people will drop out. As Laurie Evans stated, "When a church fails to nurture new converts, it fails to fulfil the Great Commission to make disciples."

They are asking all levels of church to seriously look at the issue of non-attending members. Any ideas or suggestions are very welcome. As you know, discipling is one of the major focus areas for Victoria following the Finley crusade.

Reinstatement of Ministers Fallen from Grace

Reports from two committees were given.

Firstly, the Biblical Research Committee looked at this issue from a theological perspective. One of their conclusions was that there is no absolute prohibition which denies such possibilities under all circumstances, either in the Bible or in the writings of Ellen G White. General support was given to the principles as outlined in the Church Manual, but a further committee has been set up to look at ways to handle healthy exceptions to the guideline that there is no possibility of return to ministry.

Administration Work Loads

There was another report from a sub-committee that looked at the problems arising from the major increase in the past five years of government compliance. The new accounting standards, Incorporation, OH&S, Duty of Care as an employer, the changing HR environment and the continual challenge of healthy and safe church environments for children etc.


IPE Committee

Search II

The go ahead has been given for Search II, an extreme upgrade with five totally new programs and four new upgrades to be done in the next year. There is a committee that is starting work on a totally new series and a search is on for a new presenter to be trained in media skills. There is a budget of about $120,000 with Geoff Youlden still as main front man. This has a completion date of the next six years or so.

Graduates Tea

It was good to have the usual chat and interview of the Theology graduates for this year. Peter Watts and his wife, currently sponsored by Victoria are looking forward to coming to work in Victoria.

Thanks for all the energy that so many of you are putting into the Finley Crusade.

Kind regards

Denis

Dr Denis Hankinson
President - Seventh-day Adventist Church (Victoria)
Phone (0x) xxxx xxxx : pastor_denis@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx
"Preparing for Eternity by living life to the full following Jesus"

[mikell]

This morning I received this through the email. I have waited for the person who sent it to post it. Since they have not, I am posting it.

There were several other items of interest that I feel are good moves by our General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists.

I am also waiting for confirmation that this is indeed fact. I spoke to Mollie this AM. She had no idea what I was talking about. I referred her to BSDA.

I have very emotional feelings about this action, if indeed it is true. My heart is broken that things have come this far.

I am one that wants 3ABN the network to survive and turn around to truly become God's ministry vs. Danny's Ministry.

However, it hurts me because I believe God is grieving over this matter. Our Lord is very long suffering and kind He has waited 3 years for the turn around to happen. He has given every opportunity for those at 3ABN to see the light, but sometimes we have a hard time letting go of something we have believed in and worked for.

I have to finish my stages of grief before I am sure what I feel.

As drastic a measure as this seems, it had to be done. The World church must form a united front and lead us into the path of righteousness instead of taking no action at all as it does so many times.

Notice the other items that are covered in this communique. Notice the Church Name Protection; Reinstatement of Ministers Fallen from Grace; Workload and other HR concerns.

Okay, and the bottom line is...???