 Who Is Asi?, Is ASI connected to the SDA Church? |
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 Jul 7 2007, 08:31 AM
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It might be of interest to see how many of the ASI leaders are formally involved in denominational activities in other areas. Those interested might want to check to see. Here are the listed leaders:
ASI Board Members President - Debbie Young Secretary/Treasurer - Ron Christman General Vice President - Chester Clark III Vice Presidents - Viorel Catarama, Chip Doss, Leasa Hodges, Doreen Schmidt, Barbara Taylor NAD appointees - Juan Prestol, Don Schneider, Halvard Thomsen Union ASI Secretary - Norm Clam Conference ASI Secretary - Duane McKey Union ASI Chapter Presidents - Lorayne Barton, Chester Clark Jr., Gayle Clark, Steve Dickman, Sharon Erickson, Elizabeth Gonsalves-Remington, Sandy Miller, Dan Ross Members at large - Ellsworth McKee, Tom Zapara Immediate past president - Denzil McNeilus President, Missions Inc. - Harold Lance ASI Missions Inc. President - Harold Lance NAD appointees - Juan Prestol, Don Schneider, Halvard Thomsen Members - Terry Anderson, Ron Christman, Dan Houghton, Andre Jubert, MD, Ellsworth McKee, Denzil McNeilus, Garwin McNeilus, Jane Sines, Stan Smith, Debbie Young Chapter Leadership Atlantic Union Chapter President - Elizabeth Gonsalves-Remington Union Sec./Treasurer - Carlyle Simmons VP for Communication - Millicent Corbett VP for Recruitment - Tom Murray Canadian Union Chapter Executive Secretary - Barry Bussey Columbia Union Chapter President - Gayle Clark Assistant to the President - Gwendolyn Herron General Vice President - Dirci Marquart Union Secretary - Seth Bardu VP for Finance - Robert Wallace VP for Programming - Joy Charles VP for Evangelism - Ralph Rhyne VP for Recruitment - Grace Masaka VP for Communication - Carol Bearce VP for Projects/Events - Alonzo Betha Lake Union Chapter President - Sandy Miller General Vice President - Mark LaVanture VP for Finance - Tom Morrissey Union Secretary - Carmelo Mercado VP for Membership and Recruitment - Don Starlin VP for Evangelism - Darry Campbell VP for Communication - Mona Sarcona VPs for Projects/Events - Fred Miller, Chuck Randall Mid-America Union Chapter President - Sharon Erickson General Vice President - George McNeilus Union Secretary - Elaine Hagele VP for Finance - Colleen Anderson VP for Evangelism - Vern Erickson VP for Recruitment - Joyce Pinke VP for Projects/Events - Celeste Lee North Pacific Union Chapter President - Dan Ross General Vice President - Christy Reich Union Secretary - Norm Klam Secretary - Janet Evert VP for Finance - Ron Oliver Union Secretary/Treasurer - Norm Klam VP for Communication - Linda Barton VP for Evangelism - Ted Evert VP for Recruitment - Mark Black Pacific Union Chapter President - Dr. Lorayne Barton Secretary - Ed Fargusson Union Secretary - Ricardo Graham VP for Finance - Alberto Bagingito VP for Evangelism - Steve Rinker VP for Recruitment - Dr. Leo Herber VP for Communication - Pat Arrabito Program Chairperson - Russ Lorenz; Asst. Gail Reitz Southern Union Chapter President - Steve Dickman General Vice President - Brenda Palmer General Vice President - Calvin Thrash Union Secretary - Tom Evans VP for Communication - Joy Biegel VP for Evangelism - Ben Kochenower VP for Finance - Brent Palmer VP for Recruitment - Dale Bass Southwestern Union Chapter President - Dr. Chester V. Clark, Jr. General Vice President - Neil Nedley Union Secretary - John Mathews VP for Evangelism - Jaime Espinal VP for Recruitment - Cyril Miller -------------------- Gregory Matthews posts here under the name "Observer."
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Jul 7 2007, 08:55 AM
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I know a few of the people on that list. Also, I have seen those same people on 3abn. Of the ones I know, they would be all 3abn supporters, big time, without question.
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Jul 7 2007, 05:42 PM
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I can't see any harm in folks asking one of them, as opportunity arises, what they think about 3ABN's claim in Federal Court that 3ABN is non-denominational, preaching a non-denominational message, and is not affiliated with ASI or the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Just perhaps, you might get the same reaction I did. |
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Jul 7 2007, 05:59 PM
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Ok, so shoot me, but I am going to ask, even though it proves that I am slow or just not paying attention. So, now htat we know who, what and why exactly is ASI? What is their purpose? At this point they sound like one of those pseudo-religious{new age) kind of groups decribed in Frank Perretti books. Can somebody help me out? Reader's Digest version please?
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Di And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose---Romans 8:28 A great many people believe they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.-- William James It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.- Mark Twain |
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Jul 7 2007, 06:14 PM
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http://www.asiministries.org/article.php?i...4042fecf21e4d67
This is the ASI Missions Link. In a post in another thread, I accidentally called ASI Missions, ASI Ministries. I knew better, but boo boo'd. I have corrected it now. This is a good link and you can go other places on their site. Thanks, Gregory, for the list. -------------------- The greatest want of the world is the want of men-- men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall. {Ed 57.3}
But such a character is not the result of accident; it is not due to special favors or endowments of Providence. A noble character is the result of self-discipline, of the subjection of the lower to the higher nature--the surrender of self for the service of love to God and man. {Ed 57.4} |
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Jul 7 2007, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(princessdi @ Jul 7 2007, 06:59 PM)  OK, so shoot me, but I am going to ask, even though it proves that I am slow or just not paying attention. So, now that we know who, what and why exactly is ASI? What is their purpose? At this point they sound like one of those pseudo-religious{new age) kind of groups described in Frank Peretti books. Can somebody help me out? Reader's Digest version please? Di; Are you asking "What is ASI?" Or are you asking "What is ASI Missions?" They are completely different. Yeah, I was confused too. Take a hard look at the ASI MISSIONS BOARD. Those are the ones I am concerned about. / Bob; What answer did you get when you asked ASI Missions about the comment in the Lawsuit. Oops! I am assuming you asked ASI Missions. Maybe you asked ASI. Either way, what answer did you get? Can you explain to Di the differences between ASI and ASI Missions, Inc. I believe you are well informed in this area. -------------------- The greatest want of the world is the want of men-- men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall. {Ed 57.3}
But such a character is not the result of accident; it is not due to special favors or endowments of Providence. A noble character is the result of self-discipline, of the subjection of the lower to the higher nature--the surrender of self for the service of love to God and man. {Ed 57.4} |
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Jul 7 2007, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(Pickle @ Jul 7 2007, 06:42 PM) I can't see any harm in folks asking one of them, as opportunity arises, what they think about 3ABN's claim in Federal Court that 3ABN is non-denominational, preaching a non-denominational message, and is not affiliated with ASI or the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Just perhaps, you might get the same reaction I did. And don't you think it is a bit ironic that they express these "non-denominational" and "unique message" statements in the very same lawsuit where they say you're the one who is off the mark in your perceptions? Am I expected to believe the rest of what they have to say in their lawsuit after reading this? Sorry, I forgot I was never supposed to read it in the first place. I think these "non-denominational" statements were supposed to be reduced to ashes and thrown off the top of the Hennepin Avenue Bridge in Minneapolis, Minnesota, after the case was concluded. (In time, the Mississippi River, which flows beneath the bridge, takes those ashes out to sea, with those ashes never seen or heard from again.) This post has been edited by Panama_Pete: Jul 7 2007, 07:14 PM |
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Jul 7 2007, 07:31 PM
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I know some of those people in the list.( just my two pennies.)
Rosyroi -------------------- "Joy, Love, Peace, Long Suffering, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith, Meekness, and Self Control are what being full of the Holy Spirit is all about." Galations 5. "Don't waste your time waiting and longing for large opportunities which may never come, but faitfully handle the little things that are always claiming your attention..." F.B. Meyers "Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else." Aunt B. 2007 "For GOD so LOVED you and me..." John 3:16 "I believe that there is a devil, and here's Satan's agenda. First, he doesn't want anyone having kids. Secondly, if they do conceive, he wants them killed. If they're not killed through abortion, he wants them neglected or abused physically, emotionally, sexually...One way or another, the legions of hell want to destroy children because children become the future adults and leaders. If they (legions) can warp or wound a child, he or she becomes a warped or wounded adult who passes on this affliction to the next generation". -Terry Randall in TIME Magazine, October 21, 1991 |
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Jul 7 2007, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE(Fran @ Jul 7 2007, 07:26 PM) What answer did you get when you asked ASI Missions about the comment in the Lawsuit. Oops! I am assuming you asked ASI Missions. Maybe you asked ASI. Either way, what answer did you get? Can you explain to Di the differences between ASI and ASI Missions, Inc. I believe you are well informed in this area. 1) I spoke with someone on the above list, and they definitely saw problems with the lawsuit's claims about no affilation and being non-denominational. 2) ASI Missions, Inc., according to my understanding, is the legal entity that doles out the money. ASI is not the entity that doles out the money. The members of the ASI Executive Commitee are the members of the corporation called ASI Missions, and thus it is the ASI Executive Commitee that selects the ASI Missions, Inc. board. |
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Jul 7 2007, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(Panama_Pete @ Jul 7 2007, 08:00 PM) And don't you think it is a bit ironic that they express these "non-denominational" and "unique message" statements in the very same lawsuit where they say you're the one who is off the mark in your perceptions? Am I expected to believe the rest of what they have to say in their lawsuit after reading this? Sorry, I forgot I was never supposed to read it in the first place. I think these "non-denominational" statements were supposed to be reduced to ashes and thrown off the top of the Hennepin Avenue Bridge in Minneapolis, Minnesota, after the case was concluded. (In time, the Mississippi River, which flows beneath the bridge, takes those ashes out to sea, with those ashes never seen or heard from again.) Never seen or heard from again, like Wycliffe's bones? I would say that you are expected to not believe the rest of what they say unless they can support their claims with some sort of shred of evidence. Notice how page 13 of the lawsuit makes the claim that Gailon and I have published: "f. Danny Shelton laundered money through 3ABN donations to Cherie Peters, in order to make payments that had been expressly prohibited by the 3ABN Board of directors." Now since the lawsuit makes no complaints about email, only about postings on forums and Save3ABN.com, they will have a hard time proving that one, since neither Gailon nor I was the one who published that one. If you want to read the post, see http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?a...&pid=174130. Gregory Matthews was the one who posted it, not Gailon or myself. And I know for a fact that there is a source who has made some sort of claim along those lines. Now if reporters can't report what sources tell them in America anymore, are we returning to the days of the Middle Ages? And is this lawsuit paving the way? |
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Jul 8 2007, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE(princessdi @ Jul 7 2007, 03:59 PM) Ok, so shoot me, but I am going to ask, even though it proves that I am slow or just not paying attention. So, now htat we know who, what and why exactly is ASI? What is their purpose? At this point they sound like one of those pseudo-religious{new age) kind of groups decribed in Frank Perretti books. Can somebody help me out? Reader's Digest version please? ASI is sort of like an SDA businessman's club in which they meet once a year (first week in August) in some attractive and interesting location from Wednesday evening to Saturday night to have meetings and seminars based loosely on their motto--Sharing Christ in the Marketplace. On Saturday evening they have a dinner and program and raise money which is then parcelled out to various deserving ministries--hence ASI Missions. Many of the businessmen bring their families and kids and then stay the next week for their family vacation. One must be a self-employed businessperson or someone in an executive position (and an SDA in good standing) to become a member. The organization started out many years ago as an association of self-supporting ministries but then morphed into the self-employed businessman's association. The various institutional church leaders who are associated with ASI are there as liasons between ASI and the SDA church, since church employees cannot, by definition, belong to ASI. When I belonged to ASI some years ago, I attended meetings, in Calgary, Hawaii, Denver, and Palm Springs. I found the meetings to be very interesting and inspirational since many SDA businessmen are interested in spreading the gospel, but without some of the religious institutional bias that some ASI members believe is found in SDA church leadership. ****************************************** This post has been edited by Artiste: Jul 8 2007, 10:06 AM |
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Jul 8 2007, 11:07 AM
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My husband was in business for himself. We asked about joining ASI at that time and found out that we did not have enough employees. The business was just my husband with our sons working for him during summer vacations and school breaks. Then we needed more employees but the urge to join had passed.
He got sick and his health went downhill for several years. He downsized the business and worked less and less. He finally had to retire on disability. I remember thinking we would feel very out of place with all those moneyed people. We certainly could have never kept up because we never did get rich just gave our sons good educations so they could do better than us. This post has been edited by lurker: Jul 8 2007, 11:08 AM |
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Jul 8 2007, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(Pickle @ Jul 7 2007, 09:31 PM) Never seen or heard from again, like Wycliffe's bones? I would say that you are expected to not believe the rest of what they say unless they can support their claims with some sort of shred of evidence. Notice how page 13 of the lawsuit makes the claim that Gailon and I have published: "f. Danny Shelton laundered money through 3ABN donations to Cherie Peters, in order to make payments that had been expressly prohibited by the 3ABN Board of directors." Now since the lawsuit makes no complaints about email, only about postings on forums and Save3ABN.com, they will have a hard time proving that one, since neither Gailon nor I was the one who published that one. If you want to read the post, see http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?a...&pid=174130. Gregory Matthews was the one who posted it, not Gailon or myself. And I know for a fact that there is a source who has made some sort of claim along those lines. Now if reporters can't report what sources tell them in America anymore, are we returning to the days of the Middle Ages? And is this lawsuit paving the way? Bob, This is a good thing, right? Won't you now be able to check this out?  Maybe it is just too early for me to be thinking! 
-------------------- The greatest want of the world is the want of men-- men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall. {Ed 57.3}
But such a character is not the result of accident; it is not due to special favors or endowments of Providence. A noble character is the result of self-discipline, of the subjection of the lower to the higher nature--the surrender of self for the service of love to God and man. {Ed 57.4} |
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Jul 8 2007, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(lurker @ Jul 8 2007, 12:07 PM) My husband was in business for himself. We asked about joining ASI at that time and found out that we did not have enough employees. The business was just my husband with our sons working for him during summer vacations and school breaks. Then we needed more employees but the urge to join had passed. He got sick and his health went downhill for several years. He downsized the business and worked less and less. He finally had to retire on disability. I remember thinking we would feel very out of place with all those moneyed people. We certainly could have never kept up because we never did get rich just gave our sons good educations so they could do better than us. Lurker, I don't know any ASI members and I'm sure they are fine Christian gentlemen, but from the description, it sounds dreadfully elitist. It almost sounds like an Adventist version of the Bohemian Club. If you had told them that your little business is just a hobby but you have a very LARGE amount of money, would they have treated you differently?. |
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Jul 8 2007, 04:04 PM
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I don't think they meant to be elitist. Those were the rules and we couldn't travel to their meetings nor give big bucks to help the causes but I am glad for the work they do. Some of them are very good projects and I wish we could have helped.
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