 Giving Down At Amazing Facts |
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 Jul 17 2007, 01:50 PM
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I received a form letter today from Amazing Facts. It's similar to those I receive frequently; this time, it was about the Here We Stand revival series, etc. Anyway, the following caught my eye:
"I'm sorry to say that giving to Amazing Facts has been down recently...." It goes on to say this is likely due to the price of gas, medicine, and food. Hmmm...I know I haven't given like I used to since the announcement of the merger. Maggie |
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Jul 17 2007, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(maggiecttr @ Jul 17 2007, 01:50 PM)  I received a form letter today from Amazing Facts. It's similar to those I receive frequently; this time, it was about the Here We Stand revival series, etc. Anyway, the following caught my eye: "I'm sorry to say that giving to Amazing Facts has been down recently...." It goes on to say this is likely due to the price of gas, medicine, and food. Hmmm...I know I haven't given like I used to since the announcement of the merger. Maggie Nor I nor my family and friends. |
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 Jul 17 2007, 02:12 PM
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Well, of course BSDA had nothing to do with AFM donations being down.
 Wonder if we will be getting more form letters from other ministries saying the same thing? Rosyroi -------------------- "Joy, Love, Peace, Long Suffering, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith, Meekness, and Self Control are what being full of the Holy Spirit is all about." Galations 5. "Don't waste your time waiting and longing for large opportunities which may never come, but faitfully handle the little things that are always claiming your attention..." F.B. Meyers "Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else." Aunt B. 2007 "For GOD so LOVED you and me..." John 3:16 "I believe that there is a devil, and here's Satan's agenda. First, he doesn't want anyone having kids. Secondly, if they do conceive, he wants them killed. If they're not killed through abortion, he wants them neglected or abused physically, emotionally, sexually...One way or another, the legions of hell want to destroy children because children become the future adults and leaders. If they (legions) can warp or wound a child, he or she becomes a warped or wounded adult who passes on this affliction to the next generation". -Terry Randall in TIME Magazine, October 21, 1991 |
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Jul 17 2007, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(Rosyroi @ Jul 17 2007, 12:12 PM) Well, of course BSDA had nothing to do with AFM donations being down. Of note to me was the fact that the "Here We Stand" series is being promoted on both the Amazing Facts website and the 3abn website as a joint effort. Perhaps at some point Doug Batchelor will be less busy traveling and speaking and will be able to relax, take some time, and learn a little about the present problems going on. Maybe at that point his mother-in-law or whoever is controlling his input from the SDA public won't have to take so much responsibility. ***************************************** |
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Jul 17 2007, 04:51 PM
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One of our churches wanted to invite him--this was before the "merger" (or whatever) was announced. I was made responsible for the contact, and I procrastinated. Then word of the merger came out ... so I'll be procrastinating awhile longer.
-------------------- "The entire world is falling apart because no one will admit they are wrong." -- Don Miller, Blue Like Jazz. |
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Jul 17 2007, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(SoulEspresso @ Jul 18 2007, 12:51 AM) One of our churches wanted to invite him--this was before the "merger" (or whatever) was announced. I was made responsible for the contact, and I procrastinated. Then word of the merger came out ... so I'll be procrastinating awhile longer. res Another Independent Ministry leader stated they had once invited Doug Batchelor to speak at their "camp meeting." DB had refused because the expected audience was too small for him. So you had better be certain of a huge crowd before breaking your procrastination. -------------------- "Any fact that needs to be disclosed should be put out now or as quickly as possible, because otherwise the bleeding will not end." (Attributed to Henry Kissinger) "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it" (Martin Luther King) |
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Jul 17 2007, 05:24 PM
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Is this documented?
In any case I'm sure that DB gets invited to speak many times every weekend. Given multiple invites would it generally make sense for him to go with the smaller speaking engagements? Richard QUOTE(Johann @ Jul 17 2007, 07:15 PM) res Another Independent Ministry leader stated they had once invited Doug Batchelor to speak at their "camp meeting." DB had refused because the expected audience was too small for him. So you had better be certain of a huge crowd before breaking your procrastination. |
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Jul 18 2007, 04:58 AM
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QUOTE(Artiste @ Jul 17 2007, 02:25 PM) Of note to me was the fact that the "Here We Stand" series is being promoted on both the Amazing Facts website and the 3abn website as a joint effort. Perhaps at some point Doug Batchelor will be less busy traveling and speaking and will be able to relax, take some time, and learn a little about the present problems going on. Maybe at that point his mother-in-law or whoever is controlling his input from the SDA public won't have to take so much responsibility. ***************************************** When I called AF I was told he or they "do not have the time to read and check out all that is on save3abn". I guess the word is if "DS says it, I believe it, that settles it for me". I wish it weren't so. 
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Jul 18 2007, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE(runner4him @ Jul 18 2007, 04:58 AM) When I called AF I was told he or they "do not have the time to read and check out all that is on save3abn". I guess the word is if "DS says it, I believe it, that settles it for me". I wish it weren't so. SAD, very sad, 
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Jul 18 2007, 09:09 AM
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QUOTE(Richard Sherwin @ Jul 17 2007, 07:24 PM) In any case I'm sure that DB gets invited to speak many times every weekend. Given multiple invites would it generally make sense for him to go with the smaller speaking engagements? Richard By this thinking, Phillip should never have gone out to meet the Ethipian eunuch in Acts chapter 8... In His service, Mr. J -------------------- There is no one more dangerous than one who thinks he knows God with a mind that is ignorant - Dr. Lewis Anthony
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Jul 18 2007, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(Johann @ Jul 17 2007, 06:15 PM) res Another Independent Ministry leader stated they had once invited Doug Batchelor to speak at their "camp meeting." DB had refused because the expected audience was too small for him. So you had better be certain of a huge crowd before breaking your procrastination. I remember a few years ago that a group of people invited DB to their church and he was to speak at a public university. His secretary asked questions about the proposed size of the audience and implied that he couldn't speak to a small audience. Later, I asked DB if he had a minimum audience capacity or attendance number. He said that he didn't; however, I have never heard of him speaking to a small group of people. It doesn't mean that he hasn't, but he seems to carefully pick and choose his audience, which is usually quite large. |
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Jul 18 2007, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(Chez @ Jul 18 2007, 09:17 AM) I remember a few years ago that a group of people invited DB to their church and he was to speak at a public university. His secretary asked questions about the proposed size of the audience and implied that he couldn't speak to a small audience. Later, I asked DB if he had a minimum audience capacity or attendance number. He said that he didn't; however, I have never heard of him speaking to a small group of people. It doesn't mean that he hasn't, but he seems to carefully pick and choose his audience, which is usually quite large. Did Jesus speak only to large numbers? True, He spoke to a large group on the Mount, but did not Christ also spoke to smaller groups of people, such as His 12 Disciples? Could it be, at times speaking to small groups can magnify the message greater throughout the world, then speaking to large ones? |
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Jul 18 2007, 10:52 AM
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Is it possible DB’s concern for a “larger” crowd is that the greater the numbers the greater the chance there will be folks who accept the message? That should not matter IMO but some folks have funny ideas.
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Jul 18 2007, 11:46 AM
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In DB's defense, his time is limited ... he can't take every engagement he's offered. Perhaps size is a filter?
-------------------- "The entire world is falling apart because no one will admit they are wrong." -- Don Miller, Blue Like Jazz. |
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Jul 18 2007, 12:15 PM
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Never said it was right, just that it makes logical sense, especially from a monetary point of view.
Richard QUOTE(awesumtenor @ Jul 18 2007, 11:09 AM) By this thinking, Phillip should never have gone out to meet the Ethipian eunuch in Acts chapter 8... In His service, Mr. J |
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