Larry Romrell: Adventist Connections? Options

[watchbird]

Questions have been raised about whether or not Larry Romrell is a Seventh-day Adventist... with some sources saying yes and some saying no, and some saying we are hearing conflicting information. And since this is a quite different topic that that of the previous thread on Larry Romrell, I thought it would be a good idea to start a new one.

In the previous thread, beartrap wrote:

Found this in a Ghana newspaper.

Chapel For New Life Adventist Church
By Times Reporter
Wednesday, 11 April 2007
SUZY Sims, an American philantropist, cutting the tape to dedicate a ¢600 million chapel for the New Life Historic Adventist Church at Osofoiaman near Mayera in the Ga West District.

The chapel with a 800 seating capacity for worshippers and funded by Mr Larry Romrell, has a conference hall, library, vestry, pastors’ office and toilet facilities.

The "Historic Adventist church" != "General conference of Seventh-day Adventists"

He built an adventist church... whether it was a Seventh-day Adventist church, however is questionable.
In His service,
Mr. J

Ah yes, Kevin.. this is an important point. There are MANY different "varieties" of "Historic Adventists"... many of which are NOT part of "the Seventh-day Adventist Church headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland" to use the wording common on many of their websites.

So the question is... what kind of "Historic Adventist" is this church that Romrell "funded"? ...(whatever that means)....

And the answer to that question might help us to understand and sort out the apparently contradictory information we have concerning his church membership.

Comparing the pastor's name on the story site with the "Steps to Life Ghana" report, makes the connection between this story and the John Grosboll website. Maybe that gives us a significant hint,

Stay tuned.......

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[PeacefulBe]

For those who would like to read the information on the Steps To Life - Ghana connection here is the link

[PeacefulBe]

For a little further background on the Kenny Shelton/Grosboll connection, here are three links that provide some insight and further links as well:

beartrap post on Kenny Shelton May 11, 2006

watchbird post July 29, 2006

Bob Pickle post March 18, 2007

[Johann]

For those who would like to read the information on the Steps To Life - Ghana connection here is the link

It would be nice to know if this person is a Seventh-day Adventist or a Steps to Live member. . .

[Aletheia]

It would be nice to know if this person is a Seventh-day Adventist or a Steps to Live member. . .

IMHO,

Considering the GC's rejection of Calvin's forum (Blacksda) which he believes is a ministry, and their rejection of that and refusal to license it, you all might want to be a little carefull here...

You will never solve this argument unless you can define who the true SDA Church is, and agree on that, and then discuss it.

Is it those who keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ(which is the spirit of prophecy) and have their names registered in the books of heaven? or is it those who have their names registered in a earthly organization?

Physical Israel, spiritual Israel? What was truth then is still truth today. God always has a remnant.

All I know is, the church militant is Not the church triumphant, and I agree with Jesus, my brethren are they which hear the word of God and do it, no matter where I find them or what they call themselves.

That's my belief and conviction on all this, and don't feel called to argue further with anyone about it.

moving on...

This post has been edited by Aletheia: Aug 21 2007, 05:44 PM

[Johann]

IMHO,

You will never solve this argument unless you can define who the true SDA Church is, and agree on that, and then discuss it.

Is it those who keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ(which is the spirit of prophecy) and have their names registered in the books of heaven? or is it those who have their names registered in a earthly organization?

Physical Israel, spiritual Israel? What was truth then is still truth today. God always has a remnant.

All I know is, the church militant is Not the church triumphant, and I agree with Jesus, my brethren are they which hear the word of God and do it.

Do you think this means that 3ABN will be leaning in the direction of a different denomination than the Seventh-day Adventist Church?

This post has been edited by Johann: Aug 21 2007, 05:34 PM

[LaurenceD]

Johann, I'm sure you remember the biblically defined "double-minded" statement issued by DS live on 3abn (discussing the internet)...that AT is not even a denominational publication --IOW, there's not merit to it if it's not of, by, and from the official headquarters.

That kinda blows the double-minded out of the water, doesn't it?

[Aletheia]

Do you think this means that 3ABN will be leaning in the direction of a different denomination than the Seventh-day Adventist Church?

No!

Why would they?

" The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law." --- Deut 29:29

The Almighty's Truth is always truth.

Now, I'd like to move on...

This post has been edited by Aletheia: Aug 21 2007, 05:59 PM

[Aletheia]

Johann, I'm sure you remember the biblically defined "double-minded" statement issued by DS live on 3abn (discussing the internet)...that AT is not even a denominational publication --IOW, there's not merit to it if it's not of, by, and from the official headquarters.

That kinda blows the double-minded out of the water, doesn't it?

Here's the truth, accept it or not.

We fellowship with like minded individuals, BUT---

The gospel, the everlasting good news is not to go to just one denomination, the message is not denominational, it is just God's truth, and it is to go to the world. (see Matt 24, see Rev 14)

Our ministry, (not just 3ABN's or AF's) is non-denominational.

We reach out to ALL, to introduce Christ, give them the good news, and to help prepare a people to stand, and to meet Jesus when he returns!

And then, shall the end come...

I don't know what is so hard to understand about that

NOW, I really am moving on...

This post has been edited by Aletheia: Aug 21 2007, 06:11 PM

[LaurenceD]

Our ministry is non-denominational.

We reach out to all to prepare a people to meet Jesus!

but, the three angel's message is not non-denominational. Of course you knew that much. (more evidence of the double-minded)

And then, shall the end come...

I don't know what is so hard to understand about that

Then I trust you'll be the first to successfully explain how the apostle Paul took the message to "the whole world" (Rom 1:8) but the end didn't come.

NOW, I really am moving on...

If only...well, you know what I mean.

[Aletheia]

but, the three angel's message is not non-denominational. Of course you knew that much. (more evidence of the double-minded)
Then I trust you'll be the first to successfully explain how the apostle Paul took the message to "the whole world" (Rom 1:8) but the end didn't come.
If only...well, you know what I mean.

Ok, and sure I do, but what message?

As I'm still reading and you bring up a interesting point.

and what does time of the end mean?

(Perhaps this should be another thread, in another part of this forum?)

We have the testimony of Jesus,which according to Rev 19:10 is the spirit of prophecy,. All of God's people are called to his ministry, to proclaim the good news, and to proclaim "Present truth" see 2 Peter 1.

For example we see the first angel in Rev 14 carrying the everlasting gospel and proclaiming "His judgment is come". Those in 1844 proclaimed it, as they understoof that prophecy at the end of the 2300 days, as it came to pass. (Just like Jesus said we would)

That wasn't Moses, or Joshua, or even John the baptist's present truth. John's present truth was to proclaim and prepare the way for Jesus' first coming, whereas ours is to proclaim and prepare the way for his second coming.

God's principles and truths never change but present truth depends on where we are iin prophecy... Or-- where we are in history- as Prophecy is merely history told in advance.

Another example. Noah's, (a preacher of righteousness) present truth was, believe the Lord, repent, get in the ark and be delivered, there is gonna be a flood!"

Paul lived in a different time in history then we do, he wasn't living in the time in history we are, as prophecy defined it. He told others who thought Jesus was coming, that this wasn't the case, and warned them not to be deceived and pointed out prophetic truth in 2 Thes 2. saying "That day will not come unless...

Our present truth puts us at the end of human history.

It is different, far different then Paul's day.

How could the end come in his day? All had not been fulfilled. He knew that.

I have a hard time understanding how a fellow adventist wouldn't understand this.

This post has been edited by Aletheia: Aug 21 2007, 06:59 PM

[LaurenceD]

I should probably wait for your final edit, since they are ever-changing, but till then...

Our present truth puts us at the end of human history.

It is different, far different then Paul's day.

Perhaps you mean your present understanding of your so-called present truth...

How could the end come in his day? All had not been fulfilled. He knew that.

That just doesn't wash. The terms he used were more than convincing, such as...

"that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first"
"the day is at hand,"
"waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"
"the time is short"
"The Lord is at hand"
"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds"
"that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord"
"that the day of Christ is at hand"

Under any reasonable explanation, he must have seen a falling away to say the latter. I think he does say the anti-Christ was there already.

I have a hard time understanding how a fellow adventist wouldn't understand this.

You mean a true Adventist at heart, or just an official one?

It's unequally hard to understand how narrow your vision and understanding is, or lack of comprhension, from reading evidence contrary to your wishful interpretations. If anyone else had said it, we'd all understand the imminence in the language that was used. The rest would have to be spun after the fact, after the great disappointment, such as the manufactured uses and definitions of terms like "present truth."

"What message?" Above you used the message that was handy to support your position. I pointed out to you that 3abn's message is more than the gospel, it also includes a denominational message--the three angel's message. But you've turned a deaf ear by not acknowledging the rest of that truth.

YOU ARE BRODCASTING A DENOMINATIONAL MESSAGE
I dunno, maybe size does help :shrug:

[SoulEspresso]

So then ... the Historic Adventist Church and the Seventh-day Adventist Church are two different denominations. The Historic Adventist Church apparently split off from the latter in the early 1990s over issues like ... end-time perfectionism.

If 3ABN is truly non-denominational, it is no problem that they have an Historic Adventist (if that is what he is, and it sure looks that way to me) on the Board. However, since Historic Adventists are considered by the Seventh-day Adventist Church to be an antagonistic group, if that is the way 3ABN wants to head (again, apparently), they should not expect a welcome at SDA churches--and frankly shouldn't be offered one.

This is more for the Theology threads, but it's interesting to me that Historic Adventist theology is a reflection of the church's teachings in the 1930s, not in the days of "the founders."

[panther]

Because Mr. Romrell gave money to build a church doesn't mean he is not an SDA. My husband is an SDA in good and regular standing, an Elder in our Church and he gave a donation to Steps to Life.

Also I remember being taught in one of our Colleges that Christ didn't come during Paul's day because the Church itself was not ready.

Lee

[PeacefulBe]

So then ... the Historic Adventist Church and the Seventh-day Adventist Church are two different denominations. The Historic Adventist Church apparently split off from the latter in the early 1990s over issues like ... end-time perfectionism.

If 3ABN is truly non-denominational, it is no problem that they have an Historic Adventist (if that is what he is, and it sure looks that way to me) on the Board. However, since Historic Adventists are considered by the Seventh-day Adventist Church to be an antagonistic group, if that is the way 3ABN wants to head (again, apparently), they should not expect a welcome at SDA churches--and frankly shouldn't be offered one.

This is more for the Theology threads, but it's interesting to me that Historic Adventist theology is a reflection of the church's teachings in the 1930s, not in the days of "the founders."

SE,
Actually, this is precisely where this needs to be discussed since all indications point to the trend by 3abn and Larry Romrell (by his works of building that "Adventist" church in Ghana). This is a most pertinent issue to examine.

As has been brought up earlier a couple of times, the church that Larry Romrell built in Ghana is called "New Life Historic Adventist Church". I pulled a quote from the [url=http://newtimesonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8622&Itemid=142]article about the building of this church by the Area Pastor, Joseph Class-Peters:

Speaking at the ceremony, Joseph Class-Peters, the Area Pastor, said that plans were afoot to build primary and junior secondary schools on the precint of the church.

He urged Ghanaians who have not surrendered their lives to God to do so before they depart this world, stating that "this world is not our home, we are just passing through and we must lead godly lives to be able to receive salvation when we die."

You just mentioned that this very thing was one of the issues that was part of the cause of the 1990 split - end time perfection. Is this the way Larry Romrell believes? Is this what the leadership at 3abn believes?