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[beartrap]

Expedit esse deos, et, ut expedit, esse putemus.

[awesumtenor]

I also rejoice that the record of my sins was “nailed to the cross” in AD 31. All of Scripture testifies that Jesus took upon Himself our sins, that we might have the gift of His perfect righteousness, and receive eternal life. "Good news" indeed! But whatever other troubles there might be, as I understand things at the moment, I don’t think it is fair to pull Shelley Quinn and Danny Shelton down (especially on a website called “BSDA”) for using Colossians 2:14 as they do in their book, Ten Commandments Twice Removed. Adventists have acknowledged the two interpretations of this text (see e.g. 7BC 204), and have for decades favoured the less popular view, i.e. that what was “nailed to the cross" was the ceremonial law.

Long and/or commonly held error remains error. Regardless of how long adventists may have endorsed that view, the fact remains that it is exegetically inconsistent and any hermaneutic that reads into the passage the idea that the cheirographon spoken of is the ceremonial law is irreparably flawed... even if it's in the book on the fundamental beliefs and even if it is endorsed by Mark Finley.

Given the zeal with which Adventists will point out doctrinal error in other denominations, we cannot give our own a free pass when the bad doctrine is coming from our own... because when we do we are become respecters of persons... which is something God loathes.

In His service,
Mr. J

[awesumtenor]

Expedit esse deos, et, ut expedit, esse putemus.

Si Dieu n'existait pas, il serait nécessaire de l'inventer

In His service,
Mr. J

[Fran]

Expedit esse deos, et, ut expedit, esse putemus.

Did you convert to Catholicism?

[awesumtenor]

Did you convert to Catholicism?

Why is it, anytime someone chooses to say something in latin, catholicism is the immediate Pavlovian response?

It's Ovid, Fran... looooooooooooooong before Catholicism.

In His service,
Mr. J

[Fran]

Why is it, anytime someone chooses to say something in latin, catholicism is the immediate Pavlovian response?

It's Ovid, Fran... looooooooooooooong before Catholicism.

In His service,
Mr. J

Mr J;
Thank you! I looked it up and all I got was Catholic Pages. I have no clue as to what it means.
I have learned something new today.

Now, can you tell me what Beartrap said? I only speak English. (It shows too, huh?) I had to look up the other answers. They were easy to find.

This last post has me stumped!

[awesumtenor]

Mr J;
Thank you! I looked it up and all I got was Catholic Pages. I have no clue as to what it means.
I have learned something new today.

Now, can you tell me what Beartrap said? I only speak English. (It shows too, huh?) I had to look up the other answers. They were easy to find.

This last post has me stumped!

He said "It is expedient that there should be gods, and, since it is expedient, let us assume that there are..."

I followed with Voltaire's "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him"

I guess we are now waiting to see if there is a resident nihilist among us...

In His service,
Mr. J

[GRAT]

I thought I had clicked on the wrong thread!

[lurker]

In the context of the discussion I inferred that Beartrap might have meant that the starry eyed ones needed people to idolize (such as a certain authoress-speaker) since the quote referred to gods (small g) in the plural. But I may have missed something.

Y'all are so smaaat. I have to google y'alls quotes alla time.

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[awesumtenor]

In the context of the discussion I inferred that Beartrap might have meant that the starry eyed ones needed people to idolize (such as a certain authoress-speaker) since the quote referred to gods (small g) in the plural. But I may have missed something.

Y'all are so smaaat. I have to google y'alls quotes alla time.

I meant to paraphrase Cassius in response to your saying that and say that their fault lies not in their stars but in themselves... but I never got a round tuit so it didn't happen...

round tuits seems to be nearly extinct most days...

In His service,
Mr. J

[Brenda]

Will square tuits do?

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[PeacefulBe]

Very clever, Whitey!

[Fran]

He said "It is expedient that there should be gods, and, since it is expedient, let us assume that there are..."

I followed with Voltaire's "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him"

I guess we are now waiting to see if there is a resident nihilist among us...

In His service,
Mr. J

Mr. J;

Thank you!

[Brick Step]

Long and/or commonly held error remains error. Regardless of how long adventists may have endorsed that view, the fact remains that it is exegetically inconsistent and any hermaneutic that reads into the passage the idea that the cheirographon spoken of is the ceremonial law is irreparably flawed... even if it's in the book on the fundamental beliefs and even if it is endorsed by Mark Finley.

Given the zeal with which Adventists will point out doctrinal error in other denominations, we cannot give our own a free pass when the bad doctrine is coming from our own... because when we do we are become respecters of persons... which is something God loathes.

In His service,
Mr. J

“Long and/or commonly held error remains error.” Amen! It is also true that positions endorsed by the Holy Spirit in the long ago remain truth in the here and now.

“Regardless of how long adventists may have endorsed that view, the fact remains that it is exegetically inconsistent and any hermaneutic that reads into the passage the idea that the cheirographon spoken of is the ceremonial law is irreparably flawed even if it's in the book on the fundamental beliefs…” I’ve noticed there’s a lot of smoke on the internet and in other places in regard to the meaning of Colossians 2:14-17. I’m not a Greek scholar, but I respectfully disagree with the assertion that the “handwriting of ordinances” that was “blotted out” and “nailed to his cross” is not in this context a special reference to the ceremonial law. I see a parallel with “the law of commandments contained in ordinances” that was “abolished in his flesh” in Ephesians 2:15.

“… even if it is endorsed by Mark Finley.” The supporting quote I gave was from the prophet, Ellen White, not Mark Finley. It is obvious you meant to say also that a position is wrong, “even if it is endorsed by Ellen White.”

”Given the zeal with which Adventists will point out doctrinal error in other denominations…” For the past several decades in the Adventist churches I have attended, in the overall nothing could be further from the truth. "Doctrinal error in other denominations" has been given little attention, let alone done with "zeal."

“… we cannot give our own a free pass when the bad doctrine is coming from our own… because when we do we are become respecters of persons... which is something God loathes.” AMEN! … so long as we remember that even with the “respecter of persons” issue, it is the sin and not the sinner that God loathes. It would also be “respecting persons”, would it not, to engage in excessive criticism of our own long held doctrines, while condemning our evangelists for graciously presenting truths which cut across the long cherished erroneous beliefs of others?

3ABN. It is appreciated that this must be a trying time for those more closely involved in this 3ABN saga. God be with all parties concerned. Our home is praying daily that fact will be separated from fiction, and truth and justice will prevail, whichever way things must go. May truth and justice also be seen to prevail. In His time and way, we know Providence will show His hand.

This post has been edited by Brick Step: Oct 30 2007, 08:40 PM

[roxe]

Was wondering if the "starry-eyed" feelings were from gaining some heavenly insights or just 'startruck' because a celebrity came to town?
Just wondering...

Rosyroi,

I'm not really sure the womens could tell you themselves which it is...

but, from the way the responses were given, it appears that it was from being hypnotized

'cuz when I tried asking for details, all I could get was "OH, it was so WONDERFUL!!"
with lots of emotion exhibited...

This post has been edited by roxe: Oct 30 2007, 07:37 PM