How Much Of Concern About 3abn Is Motivated By Liberalism?, Neutralizing one of Danny's alibis Options

[SoulEspresso]

Certainly it is wise to live a blameless life no matter what anyone else does, but since none of us have arrived, that doesn't mean no one has the right to point out egregious behavior in others. Particularly self-appointed leaders.


The passage in the Sermon on the Mount seems to be about trying to control others by judging them, which is itself the log ... I don't think Jesus meant, "Stop committing adultery so you can condemn pornographers," or, "Stop cheating on your taxes so you can accuse your neighbor of cheating on his."

My only point was to try to bring up something pretty basic to Adventists, liberal or conservative. How those commandments are applied might be variant (on the topic of divorce for example, where I happen to tip towards Greg's opinion and for the same reason), but most of us think they matter in one way or another.

[Clay]

Clay, your response to SE brought several thoughts to mind. Should those of us who have not yet attained perfection sit in silence when we see evidence of destructive behavior in others? Isn't motivation the determining factor in that log and toothpick counsel? If we are calling attention to the condition of others in order to deflect attention from the mess in our own selves, then we best just hush. On the other hand, if we hush when we see evidence of sin that is hurting others but don't call it out because we are also struggling with imperfection in our own lives, aren't we helping the sinful behavior to flourish?

the question I am asking is simple... What has Mr. Shelton done that requires continued scrutiny and reporting? The divorce? done deal, can't undo it, can't change it..... What else is there? As I have said before if those who work at 3abn feel like they are not being treated with dignity or respect, then they need to make a plan and escape..... so what else is there?

[SoulEspresso]

the question I am asking is simple... What has Mr. Shelton done that requires continued scrutiny and reporting? The divorce? done deal, can't undo it, can't change it..... What else is there? As I have said before if those who work at 3abn feel like they are not being treated with dignity or respect, then they need to make a plan and escape..... so what else is there?

People donate to 3ABN so it can spread the "three angels' message," not so that Danny Shelton can get personal financial benefits. The divorce is pertinent because it sure looks like he hid almost 200 grand from his wife before proceedings even started. That money wasn't supposed to be his.

This is about what it's always been about--accountability. Doing the right thing.

[Clay]

People donate to 3ABN so it can spread the "three angels' message," not so that Danny Shelton can get personal financial benefits. The divorce is pertinent because it sure looks like he hid almost 200 grand from his wife before proceedings even started. That money wasn't supposed to be his.

This is about what it's always been about--accountability. Doing the right thing.

Linda Shelton should have asked her lawyer to look into that issue.... if they didn't and he was allowed by the court to do what he did, then the lawyer should have been better...

If donors don't mind him having personal financial benefits so what? If they do, they will stop giving... what else?

btw SE, nice to see you, its been awhile...

[Pickle]

It isn't just whether donors mind Danny getting financial benefits. It's whether he violated the IR Code in so doing.

As far as continued scrutiny goes, this should have been over a year ago or more.

[Clay]

It isn't just whether donors mind Danny getting financial benefits. It's whether he violated the IR Code in so doing.

As far as continued scrutiny goes, this should have been over a year ago or more.

has it been reported? if so, then is it not possible to wait for the investigation to be completed as opposed to daily speculation?

[Pickle]

has it been reported? if so, then is it not possible to wait for the investigation to be completed as opposed to daily speculation?

I presume you are referring to the IRS investigation Gailon referred to. Because of the lawsuit, we have to engage in a similar investigation into similar issues. I don't anticipate not reporting on the results of that investigation as we move along, and there are folks who rely on BSDA to know what is going on.

But there is an end in sight. April is the court-appointed deadline for non-expert discovery.

[PrincessDrRe]

Many people see it as being conservative. I see it as being funerary -- suitable for a funeral.

With this I concur.....

[SoulEspresso]

Linda Shelton should have asked her lawyer to look into that issue.... if they didn't and he was allowed by the court to do what he did, then the lawyer should have been better...

If donors don't mind him having personal financial benefits so what? If they do, they will stop giving... what else?

btw SE, nice to see you, its been awhile...

It's good to be back, or in-and-out ... Missed everybody, lots going on in non-cyberspace.

As far as the donors go, the reason this is getting reported, in an ongoing fashion, is because save3abn suspects (probably correctly) that Adventists who give to ministries like 3ABN would have a problem with the leaders of those ministries personal financial benefits. The traditional Adventist position on wealth has been that if you've got it, you'd better give it away to spread the gospel--and if someone you're donating to for that end is personally getting wealthy off of it, then the donation has failed in its purpose. If their donations into the leader's pockets illegally, the depth of the anger will be difficult to sound out.

I got friends who think 3ABN is "being attacked by Satan" for serving God so well. I feel bad for them, but the sooner the IRS investigation is public through more official channels, the sooner the healing can begin. Man oh man are they going to hurt.

[Ian]

People donate to 3ABN so it can spread the "three angels' message," not so that Danny Shelton can get personal financial benefits. The divorce is pertinent because it sure looks like he hid almost 200 grand from his wife before proceedings even started. That money wasn't supposed to be his.

This is about what it's always been about--accountability. Doing the right thing.

It hasn't 'always" been about THIS. People have been griping and protesting on Linda's behalf and about the divorce since day 1, and the ten commandment book wasn't even written yet. This almost 200 grand argument is a Johnny come lately argument as desparation has set in.

IF doing the right thing is what you are concerned about then it seems to me that doing the right thing includes making sure you know what you are talking about.
before telling others what things look like.

Why does it look to you like Danny Shelton hid almost 200 grand from his ex-wife? ( the alleged amount is actually 190,000 dollars)

As Pickle and Joy claim Danny had a secret account which held proceeds (royalties in the amount of 190,000) from the ten commandment book written AFTER the divorce what right would his ex-wife have to it even if it did exist? It doesn't and no proof that it does has ever been posted or submitted in court.

SO,Where is this secret account that Danny kept it in, and the proof it actually exists?

Hasn't Pickle posted everything else whether private or minutia? Doesn't it strike you as strange he has posted no evidence for this allegation?

If it did exist and Linda had a right to it, don't you think it would have been brought up, and documented and established as factual in the ongoing civil case Linda filed against Danny? ( the settlement conf is Jan 7)

Fact: It hasn't been and it isn't even on the table.

This post has been edited by Ian: Dec 4 2007, 12:27 PM

[Johann]

It hasn't 'always" been about THIS. People have been griping and protesting on Linda's behalf and about the divorce since day 1, and the ten commandment book wasn't even written yet. This almost 200 grand argument is a Johnny come lately argument as desparation has set in.

IF doing the right thing is what you are concerned about then it seems to me that doing the right thing includes making sure you know what you are talking about.
before telling others what things look like.

Why does it look to you like Danny Shelton hid almost 200 grand from his ex-wife? ( the alleged amount is actually 190,000 dollars)

As Pickle and Joy claim Danny had a secret account which held proceeds (royalties in the amount of 190,000) from the ten commandment book written AFTER the divorce what right would his ex-wife have to it even if it did exist? It doesn't and no proof that it does has ever been posted or submitted in court.

SO,Where is this secret account that Danny kept it in, and the proof it actually exists?

Hasn't Pickle posted everything else whether private or minutia? Doesn't it strike you as strange he has posted no evidence for this allegation?

If it did exist and Linda had a right to it, don't you think it would have been brought up, and documented and established as factual in the ongoing civil case Linda filed against Danny? ( the settlement conf is Jan 7)

Fact: It hasn't been and it isn't even on the table.

You seem to know so much! How can we accept that not even knowing who you are - and how you know?

[Pickle]

It hasn't 'always" been about THIS. People have been griping and protesting on Linda's behalf and about the divorce since day 1, and the ten commandment book wasn't even written yet. This almost 200 grand argument is a Johnny come lately argument as desparation has set in.

IF doing the right thing is what you are concerned about then it seems to me that doing the right thing includes making sure you know what you are talking about.
before telling others what things look like.

Why does it look to you like Danny Shelton hid almost 200 grand from his ex-wife? ( the alleged amount is actually 190,000 dollars)

As Pickle and Joy claim Danny had a secret account which held proceeds (royalties in the amount of 190,000) from the ten commandment book written AFTER the divorce what right would his ex-wife have to it even if it did exist? It doesn't and no proof that it does has ever been posted or submitted in court.

SO,Where is this secret account that Danny kept it in, and the proof it actually exists?

Hasn't Pickle posted everything else whether private or minutia? Doesn't it strike you as strange he has posted no evidence for this allegation?

If it did exist and Linda had a right to it, don't you think it would have been brought up, and documented and established as factual in the ongoing civil case Linda filed against Danny? ( the settlement conf is Jan 7)

Fact: It hasn't been and it isn't even on the table.

I suspect you may have different matters of concern confused. While Danny may not have told Linda how much was in his "secret account," I think she knew it existed. And that matter is already part of her case.

The amount Joy referred to in that account had nothing to do with the TCTR book.

It has never been established that Antichrist Agenda was entirely written after the divorce. Danny refused to say that it was. That should tell you something. Do you really think that it was entirely written between June 25 and around November 30 or sometime in December, all in 2006?

A second secret account has been alleged to exist in Michigan, and that's where at least some of the TCTR royalties are alleged to have been kept.

[Johann]

It hasn't 'always" been about THIS. People have been griping and protesting on Linda's behalf and about the divorce since day 1, and the ten commandment book wasn't even written yet. This almost 200 grand argument is a Johnny come lately argument as desparation has set in.

IF doing the right thing is what you are concerned about then it seems to me that doing the right thing includes making sure you know what you are talking about.
before telling others what things look like.

Why does it look to you like Danny Shelton hid almost 200 grand from his ex-wife? ( the alleged amount is actually 190,000 dollars)

As Pickle and Joy claim Danny had a secret account which held proceeds (royalties in the amount of 190,000) from the ten commandment book written AFTER the divorce what right would his ex-wife have to it even if it did exist? It doesn't and no proof that it does has ever been posted or submitted in court.

SO,Where is this secret account that Danny kept it in, and the proof it actually exists?

Hasn't Pickle posted everything else whether private or minutia? Doesn't it strike you as strange he has posted no evidence for this allegation?

If it did exist and Linda had a right to it, don't you think it would have been brought up, and documented and established as factual in the ongoing civil case Linda filed against Danny? ( the settlement conf is Jan 7)

Fact: It hasn't been and it isn't even on the table.

Proverbs 18:17 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV) Public Domain




17He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.