Did Dwight Hall Help Danny Hide Royalties From The 3abn Board? Options

[Pickle]

A source tipped off Gailon quite awhile back to the story, and not hearing back from Remnant for the last few weeks or so despite calling a number of times, he has decided to go to press with the story.

"Did Remnant's Dwight Hall Conspire with Danny Shelton to Hide Hundreds of Thousands in Royalties from the 3ABN Board? Remnant Reports Payments; 3ABN and Danny Shelton Do Not."

FHB, can you find out for us if some of the info on that page is incorrect? For example, are somehow the county records wrong that claim that R & D owns the building? Or is it incorrect that one of R & D's addresses is that of Dan Hall?

Let's vindicate Dwight hall and Remnant Publications if we can.

[Ian]

A source tipped off Gailon quite awhile back to the story, and not hearing back from Remnant for the last few weeks or so despite calling a number of times, he has decided to go to press with the story.

"Did Remnant's Dwight Hall Conspire with Danny Shelton to Hide Hundreds of Thousands in Royalties from the 3ABN Board? Remnant Reports Payments; 3ABN and Danny Shelton Do Not."

FHB, can you find out for us if some of the info on that page is incorrect? For example, are somehow the county records wrong that claim that R & D owns the building? Or is it incorrect that one of R & D's addresses is that of Dan Hall?

Let's vindicate Dwight hall and Remnant Publications if we can.

Comment
Pickle and Joy should verify if there own sources are correct, and examine all BEFORE running a story and accusing people of conspiracy and crimes. This is exactly why they are already being sued.

It is irresponsible to publish this kind of garbage as factual and then as has been done so many times in this whole epic saga, ask others if they can prove it wrong, as if the burden of proof is on those being accused.

When you are libeling and slandering another, such as is now being done to Dwight Hall, and Remnant Publications, and has been done and is still being done to Danny Shelton, and now Larry Ewing, and presenting nothing but theories based on partial evidence against them, and even impugning motive and intent with zero evidence or proof for that, and then say "Let's vindicate them if we can" the overwhelming impression is that the person saying this is acting unethically and dishonestly, and talking out both sides of their mouth.

Here's just one very false and unsupported allegation from Joy's Pickled article in the link above, coming from unnamed anonymous sources. Pickle and Joy claim they even know the motive and intent behind alleged crimes and have sources for that.

Do they have various eyewitnesses who were present to witness what they claim Danny Shelton asked Dwight Hall, and why he asked it?

No, because this is false, and absurd.

Who then could their sources be but evil surmisers and false accusers?

According to various sources, Danny Shelton asked Dwight Hall, president of Remnant Publications of Coldwater, Michigan, to hide his royalties for the Ten Commandments Twice Removed book [u]so that the 3ABN Board would not know how much Danny was getting, and so that Linda wouldn't get any[/u].

This makes no sense whatsoever.

If Danny Shelton and Shelley Quinn as individuals made royalties for a book they co-wrote, (and that isn't a crime) then


1. It wouldn't even be necessary to hide it from the board. 3ABN is not paying the royalties, they are not receiving the royalties, and it has Nothing to do with the income Shelton and Quinn receive from 3ABN as employees of 3ABN.

It has nothing to do with 3ABN's finances or Larry Ewing reporting 3ABN's finances. All of the 3ABN documents and reports which Pickle and Joy quoted in their article( making more libelous statements about 3ABN and it's officers along the way,) isn't even relevant.

2. There could be no conspiracy to keep Linda Shelton from getting any as they claim;for she would never be entitled to it anyway. She and Danny were divorced in June 2004. The book wasn't even written yet. If royalties were received by Danny Shelton, it would never ever be considered Marital property or income which she would be entitled to.

It is ridiculous that they make these kind of false claims and then go on to claim it was a full two years after the divorce that Danny conspired with Dwight Hall to hide the money and prevent Linda from getting any.

" Danny reportedly first asked Dwight to hide his royalties in June 2006. At that point Dwight allegedly stopped running his typical quarterly royalty report on Danny's book."

Whether you find fault with 3ABN in various areas or not, this kind of reporting and attacking others needs to stop. It is not only against our civil codes it is against the law of God.

It is Sin.

Think.

If you condone, defend, or support such, whether in words or by silence, then it is your sin also.

This post has been edited by Ian: Nov 16 2007, 10:46 AM

[sister]

Comment
Pickle and Joy should verify if there own sources are correct, and examine all BEFORE running a story and accusing people of conspiracy and crimes. This is exactly why they are already being sued.

It is irresponsible to publish this kind of garbage as factual and then as has been done so many times in this whole epic saga, ask others if they can prove it wrong, as if the burden of proof is on those being accused.

When you are libeling and slandering another, such as is now being done to Dwight Hall, and Remnant Publications, and has been done and is still being done to Danny Shelton, and now Larry Ewing, and presenting nothing but theories based on partial evidence against them, and even impugning motive and intent with zero evidence or proof for that, and then say "Let's vindicate them if we can" the overwhelming impression is that the person saying this is acting unethically and dishonestly, and talking out both sides of their mouth.

Here's just one very false and unsupported allegation from Joy's Pickled article in the link above, coming from unnamed anonymous sources. Pickle and Joy claim they even know the motive and intent behind alleged crimes and have sources for that.

Do they have various eyewitnesses who were present to witness what they claim Danny Shelton asked Dwight Hall, and why he asked it?

No, because this is false, and absurd.

Who then could their sources be but evil surmisers and false accusers?
This makes no sense whatsoever.

If Danny Shelton and Shelley Quinn as individuals made royalties for a book they co-wrote, (and that isn't a crime) then
1. It wouldn't even be necessary to hide it from the board. 3ABN is not paying the royalties, they are not receiving the royalties, and it has Nothing to do with the income Shelton and Quinn receive from 3ABN as employees of 3ABN.

It has nothing to do with 3ABN's finances or Larry Ewing reporting 3ABN's finances. All of the 3ABN documents and reports which Pickle and Joy quoted in their article( making more libelous statements about 3ABN and it's officers along the way,) isn't even relevant.

2. There could be no conspiracy to keep Linda Shelton from getting any as they claim;for she would never be entitled to it anyway. She and Danny were divorced in June 2004. The book wasn't even written yet. If royalties were received by Danny Shelton, it would never ever be considered Marital property or income which she would be entitled to.

It is ridiculous that they make these kind of false claims and then go on to claim it was a full two years after the divorce that Danny conspired with Dwight Hall to hide the money and prevent Linda from getting any.
Whether you find fault with 3ABN in various areas or not, this kind of reporting and attacking others needs to stop. It is not only against our civil codes it is against the law of God.

It is Sin.

Think.

If you condone, defend, or support such, whether in words or by silence, then it is your sin also.

I happen to know this is true and the information I viewed came from a reliable source, who has nothing to gain from sharing this information. This is not the first time that Danny has conspired with someone willing to "bend" the truth for him in return for certain "favors". In Danny's world one hand washes the other, but the taint of lies left behind from sinful practices still remains. When honest Christians stumble upon these paths, their hearts become burdened from the information. Gallion Joy's website has given them the opportunity to bring information to light, information that Danny thought he could keep forever hidden in his web of lies. Dwight Hall should have listened to the following advice, " You can not handle coals and come away with clean hands". Perhaps this is not his first experience with "bending" the truth? I understand Dwight's brother has not been implicated in this situation. Interesting that Dwight is always the one you see on 3ABN...

[PeacefulBe]

Ian brought forth an important question, IMO. Does Linda have any right to a percentage of the royalties from the book, first published as Antichrist Agenda and then the condensed version of The Ten Commandments Twice Removed? If Linda had a part in the writing of the book, she deserves to have a portion of the royalties. If she did not help in the writing of the book, then she doesn't.

I believe it is important to establish whether or not Linda had any input in this book.

[Pickle]

Ian brought forth an important question, IMO. Does Linda have any right to a percentage of the royalties from the book, first published as Antichrist Agenda and then the condensed version of The Ten Commandments Twice Removed? If Linda had a part in the writing of the book, she deserves to have a portion of the royalties. If she did not help in the writing of the book, then she doesn't.

I believe it is important to establish whether or not Linda had any input in this book.

I don't know if she had any input or not, but that isn't the only question. The question is when did Danny start writing the manusacript. If he started writing it before the divorce, which seems likely, then it may be considered part of their marital property.

Another question is what happened to D & L Publishing. Did it just vanish into thin air? Half of it should belong to Linda, I would think.

[Pickle]

... with zero evidence or proof for that, ...

You know what Danny would say if you were saying this to him? He would say to you that what you've just said is all lies, you don't have all the facts, and you don't have his side of thing.

Here's just one very false and unsupported allegation from Joy's Pickled article in the link above, coming from unnamed anonymous sources. Pickle and Joy claim they even know the motive and intent behind alleged crimes and have sources for that.

When? I don't recall claiming such. But Gailon's sources did tell him as much.

1. It wouldn't even be necessary to hide it from the board. 3ABN is not paying the royalties, they are not receiving the royalties, and it has Nothing to do with the income Shelton and Quinn receive from 3ABN as employees of 3ABN.

You're not calling Danny a liar, are you? He told me clearly that he was trying to hide how much he got in royalites. Or are you suggesting that he told the board but is hiding it from everyone else? What exactly are you trying to say? Or do you even know?

2. There could be no conspiracy to keep Linda Shelton from getting any as they claim;for she would never be entitled to it anyway. She and Danny were divorced in June 2004. The book wasn't even written yet. If royalties were received by Danny Shelton, it would never ever be considered Marital property or income which she would be entitled to.

So please answer for me the question false prophet Danny Shelton refused to answer: When did he start working on the manuscript?

It is Sin.

Think.

If you condone, defend, or support such, whether in words or by silence, then it is your sin also.

If you condone false prophet Danny Shelton's unbiblical divorce, and his cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton, whether in owrds or by silence, then is it your sin also?

[Dona]

Things I cannot help but wonder about:

“A source tipped off Gailon quite awhile back to the story, and not hearing back from Remnant for the last few weeks or so despite calling a number of times, he has decided to go to press with the story.” Post #1, Nov. 9, by PickleD

Why would Gailon Joy or Robert Pickle expect an answer from anyone when there has already been an abundance of spins placed upon anything anyone has told them all along?

“He told me clearly that he was trying to hide how much he got in royalites.” Post #6, Nov. 17, by Pickle

Why and when would D. Shelton tell Pickle this and by what; email, telephone or in person? In my opinion, I seriously doubt D. Shelton would risk one little toe nail that might entangle him in a web after having witnessed all that has transpired so far with the many spins. He certainly would not tell Pickle what Pickle said he said.

What say you Mr. Pickle? I am one of the readers who are sick of all this nonsense. If there is something pertinent to share, then share it and give factual evidence of proof. In my opinion, just throwing things out there hoping that we are all gullible and naïve to believe anything is ridiculous.

[Pickle]

Why and when would D. Shelton tell Pickle this and by what; email, telephone or in person?

Dona,

Did you miss my references to such? See my December 9, 2006, email to Danny which cites that at http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?a...&pid=162819. And the original happens to be posted over at "Correspondence with Danny over Royalties."

Could you please explain why you are biased in favor of Danny, so that you tend to believe him rather than me? Danny has been caught giving false information repeatedly, and refuses to make it right when that happens. Could you give an example of when I have done the same?

[Ian]

I happen to know this is true and the information I viewed came from a reliable source, who has nothing to gain from sharing this information. This is not the first time that Danny has conspired with someone willing to "bend" the truth for him in return for certain "favors". In Danny's world one hand washes the other, but the taint of lies left behind from sinful practices still remains. When honest Christians stumble upon these paths, their hearts become burdened from the information. Gallion Joy's website has given them the opportunity to bring information to light, information that Danny thought he could keep forever hidden in his web of lies. Dwight Hall should have listened to the following advice, " You can not handle coals and come away with clean hands". Perhaps this is not his first experience with "bending" the truth? I understand Dwight's brother has not been implicated in this situation. Interesting that Dwight is always the one you see on 3ABN...

Greetings sister,

I guess I should feel somewhat honored as you don't post much anymore. It seems you took what I said as important and worth rebutting, but it doesn't amount to much as far as I am concerned.

The problem with your reply is, as usual

1.) It all rests on your word and claims being accepted as fact, while offering no evidence or proof in support of that.
2.) It's ugly, and full of more accusations, condemnations, and insinuations which are also offered without proof or evidence.

I think I remember you posting in a mocking way on this forum once that you couldn't be held accountable or identified as you were like a ghost, or something to that effect,

And while we can't post your identity on this forum, and so I am not. I'm thinking it very likely that Pickle and Joy's hard drives may identify the ghost in the machine to the civil court, and you will finally be revealed publicly to those that you constantly abuse and accuse, and to others as well.

After all, it is their constitutional right to face their accusers, and Pickle and Joy will need to provide their sources to attempt to prove their accusations are true.

So, it seems to me that you will then get a chance to prove your claims, and be required to give the evidence you don't provide here. That only seems fair, doesn't it? Until then, I'll just wait.

Thoughts?

This post has been edited by Ian: Nov 18 2007, 09:09 AM

[Pickle]

I think I remember you posting in a mocking way on this forum once that you couldn't be held accountable or identified as you were like a ghost, or something to that effect,

And while we can't post your identity on this forum, and so I am not. I'm thinking it very likely that Pickle and Joy's hard drives may identify the ghost in the machine to the civil court, and you will finally be revealed publicly to those that you constantly abuse and accuse, and to others as well.

Quite interesting, Ian. So does that mean that if they get our hard drives, and we therefore get their hard drives, we will be able to identify you? That's be great. We'd then know who for sure to depose, if we feel you could contribute something to the case.

After all, it is their constitutional right to face their accusers, and Pickle and Joy will need to provide their sources to attempt to prove their accusations are true.

I have this hunch that you are dead wrong. Didn't Duffy and company lose that one when suing Corporate Report Minnesota for McNeilus? Or am I recalling incorrectly that the court ruled against the idea that the reporter had to disclose his or her sources?

But no matter. I have no problem disclosing many of my "sources": Danny Shelton, Mollie Steenson, John Lomacang, Hal Steenson, Walt Thompson, the Franklin County Courthouse, Mike Riva, and Gerry Duffy.

[Dona]

Dona,

Did you miss my references to such? See my December 9, 2006, email to Danny which cites that at http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?a...&pid=162819. And the original happens to be posted over at "Correspondence with Danny over Royalties."

Could you please explain why you are biased in favor of Danny, so that you tend to believe him rather than me? Danny has been caught giving false information repeatedly, and refuses to make it right when that happens. Could you give an example of when I have done the same?

Mr. Pickle, the references you give are not what you are now saying that he clearly said. The references are your own insinuations and assumptions of what you read into that which D. Shelton had written.

Here is what he actually said:

QUOTE(Danny Shelton)
"The info Galon or whomever, gave you about royalties and costs of books ect. is a lie also. ...
"I will not at this time devulge any more info about this book at this time. I may when mine and her settlement case is over."

Actually I am not biased. I have based my opinions solely upon evidence and proof given, or not given, throughout the months that have passed by. I don't know what false information that D. Shelton was supposed to have given repeatedly as all I have to go by is your written word minus actual proof of such. Just to spin tales of personal insinuations and assumptions does not go anywhere with me. On the other hand those who support D. Shelton and 3 ABN have given us proof of facts. Since I do not know any of the parties personally I can only go by the fruits that have been shown. In my opinion the two sides differ greatly; one building God's temple, the other tearing down. One side bears fruit of serving God by giving His latter day messages and giving their all towards the saving of their fellowman. The other side seems to be overly busy in trying to find sin in their fellowman and coerce or force them into repenting of that which they themselves see as wrong while at the same time blind to their own sins. We seen these same things in the New Testament days and we seen them during the dark ages. We certainly should not want them today. You asked when you had done the same as that which you accuse D. Sheleton of doing. The better question is when have you not?

[Snoopy]

Why and when would D. Shelton tell Pickle this and by what; email, telephone or in person? In my opinion, I seriously doubt D. Shelton would risk one little toe nail that might entangle him in a web after having witnessed all that has transpired so far with the many spins. He certainly would not tell Pickle what Pickle said he said.

Seems to me D. Shelton might be a day late and a dollar short worrying about his little toe nails....

But, that's just me...

[Johann]

Mr. Pickle, the references you give are not what you are now saying that he clearly said. The references are your own insinuations and assumptions of what you read into that which D. Shelton had written.

Here is what he actually said:
Actually I am not biased. I have based my opinions solely upon evidence and proof given, or not given, throughout the months that have passed by. I don't know what false information that D. Shelton was supposed to have given repeatedly as all I have to go by is your written word minus actual proof of such. Just to spin tales of personal insinuations and assumptions does not go anywhere with me. On the other hand those who support D. Shelton and 3 ABN have given us proof of facts. Since I do not know any of the parties personally I can only go by the fruits that have been shown. In my opinion the two sides differ greatly; one building God's temple, the other tearing down. One side bears fruit of serving God by giving His latter day messages and giving their all towards the saving of their fellowman. The other side seems to be overly busy in trying to find sin in their fellowman and coerce or force them into repenting of that which they themselves see as wrong while at the same time blind to their own sins. We seen these same things in the New Testament days and we seen them during the dark ages. We certainly should not want them today. You asked when you had done the same as that which you accuse D. Sheleton of doing. The better question is when have you not?

Dona, about five yhears ago I was in the same situation as you are now. I believed firmly in the integrity of 3ABN, and I was hired, partly, by 3ABN to give evidence of the integrity of 3ABN towards Church leaders on high and low levels. I believed firmly in the integrity of Danny Shelton until he started calling me a liar because I told him what I had seen and heard. Then I discovered how he was producing false evidence in an attempt to prove that he was right, and I can see how he has succeeded with you.

May God have mercy!

This post has been edited by Johann: Nov 18 2007, 12:57 PM

[PeacefulBe]

Seems to me D. Shelton might be a day late and a dollar short worrying about his little toe nails....

But, that's just me...

LOL! Thanks for the visual about Danny's little toe nails, Snoopy and Dona.

Often, one who has a lot to hide concentrates on little tiny things just to keep a semblence of balance in life. Does Danny have a lot to hide? The beauty is that some day we will all know the truth and no amount of spin from any side, or even a nice Persian rug, will be able to cover it up.

[Dona]

QUOTE(Snoopy @ Nov 18 2007, 10:47 AM)
Seems to me D. Shelton might be a day late and a dollar short worrying about his little toe nails....

But, that's just me...

LOL! Thanks for the visual about Danny's little toe nails, Snoopy and Dona.

Often, one who has a lot to hide concentrates on little tiny things just to keep a semblence of balance in life. Does Danny have a lot to hide? The beauty is that some day we will all know the truth and no amount of spin from any side, or even a nice Persian rug, will be able to cover it up.

Snoopy and PeacefulBe, No one said D. Shelton was worrying about his little toe nails or anything else, so why try to misconstrue my meaning? In my opinion, from the character traits he has shown and the walk he has made with the Lord all along, I doubt very much that he is worrying but instead continuing to put his faith and trust in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes, some day we will know the truth. If not upon this earth, then when our Lord returns. Some will be rejoicing and others weeping and wailing.