Subponea Issued For Advent Talk Information Options

[princessdi]

Ok agreed. However why are th ey coming to you. You only posted it, you didn't draw it up.

Subopena: This begins as a preliminary request for whatever. The respondent to a subopena always has the right to challenge it. That may go before the court that issued the subponea as a motion to quash--totally throw it out, or as a motion to modify the terms/conditions of the subponea. If the respondent to a subopena fails to comply with the subponea the party what sought it will need submit a motion to the court which orders the respondent to comply. If the respondent fails to comply with that order, the prevailing party may submit a motion to the court that the court sanction the respondent.

Folks: A subponea is the start of what may be a long process. The motion to quash or modify may be involved and extensive in time and legal effort. The bottom line is that until the respondent complies with the order of the court a subponea is not worth much.

By the way: Various people have pointed out to me what they consider to be flaws in the subponea that I posted. I am not a licensed attorney and I do not give a legal opinon of such. I will only say that the so-called flaws that people sometimes find in legal documents can typically be quickly fixed and really do not ammount to much in a legal sense. Don't be a "jail-house" lawyer.

NOTE: I do not have an opinon in regard to flaws in the posted subponea.

[PrincessDrRe]

....and when should I expect to get mine?

[princessdi]

Gurl, see! He been konwin' who you are and where....you taint' got one yet, is you? LOL!!!

....and when should I expect to get mine?

[inga]

I decided to look up my "incriminating" post that was listed on the subpoena.

The subject of the thread was "Why Lie?"

My contribution, in the post cited on the subpoena, was as follows:
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It was clearly lack of faith for Abraham. He trusted his own ability to take care of himself more than he trusted God.

The same would be true for Danny Shelton. He trusted/trusts his own ability to take care of himself (with the help of deep-pocketed friends) more than he trusted/trusts God. In the case of discarding Linda in favor of a younger model and using lies to justify it, the answer is still the same. He trusted his own ability to provide for his happiness more than he trusted/trusts God.

God forgives sin, which always ultimately originates with a lack of faith. However, continuing in a path of sin eventually silences the voice of the Holy Spirit so that right seems wrong and wrong seems right. Jesus indicated that this sin (the sin against the Holy Spirit that results in attributing to Satan the work of the Spirit & vice versa) is the one sin that God cannot forgive.

Danny needs our prayers, as do those who support him when they know he is wrong.
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My opinion remains the same, despite the subpoena.

[sonshineonme]

I decided to look up my "incriminating" post that was listed on the subpoena.

The subject of the thread was "Why Lie?"

My contribution, in the post cited on the subpoena, was as follows:
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It was clearly lack of faith for Abraham. He trusted his own ability to take care of himself more than he trusted God.

The same would be true for Danny Shelton. He trusted/trusts his own ability to take care of himself (with the help of deep-pocketed friends) more than he trusted/trusts God. In the case of discarding Linda in favor of a younger model and using lies to justify it, the answer is still the same. He trusted his own ability to provide for his happiness more than he trusted/trusts God.

God forgives sin, which always ultimately originates with a lack of faith. However, continuing in a path of sin eventually silences the voice of the Holy Spirit so that right seems wrong and wrong seems right. Jesus indicated that this sin (the sin against the Holy Spirit that results in attributing to Satan the work of the Spirit & vice versa) is the one sin that God cannot forgive.

Danny needs our prayers, as do those who support him when they know he is wrong.
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My opinion remains the same, despite the subpoena.

I did not take it that those posts specified were "incriminating" posts, but as stated by J Hayes in parenthesis that was there to "help" direct the one given the subpoena as to the poster being referred to. OTOH, you never know do you? I looked at mine too, and I say the same, my opinion stays the same.

[inga]

I did not take it that those posts specified were "incriminating" posts, but as stated by J Hayes in parenthesis that was there to "help" direct the one given the subpoena as to the poster being referred to. OTOH, you never know do you? I looked at mine too, and I say the same, my opinion stays the same.

Sonshine, that was a bit tongue-in-cheek on my part. But it's true that you never know ...

I rather suspect that Appletr ... er .. Danny wouldn't like that post of mine much at all ..

So what was your "incriminating" post? Might be nice to have them all here for reference.

[Dona]

Sonshine, that was a bit tongue-in-cheek on my part. But it's true that you never know ...

I rather suspect that Appletr ... er .. Danny wouldn't like that post of mine much at all ..

So what was your "incriminating" post? Might be nice to have them all here for reference.

Appletree is not Danny but then that has been said more than once before and still people choose not to believe the truth.

[calvin]

Or the purpose of the subponea could be to fish out if any of you listed are 3ABN employees so Danny can fire yall too!

[sonshineonme]

Sonshine, that was a bit tongue-in-cheek on my part. But it's true that you never know ...

I rather suspect that Appletr ... er .. Danny wouldn't like that post of mine much at all ..

So what was your "incriminating" post? Might be nice to have them all here for reference.

Mine was this:

Re: "Sheltonism": How Can We Ensure That It Won't Happen Again? « Reply #6 on: February 15, 2008
Quote Quote from: Fran on February 15, 2008
YES! It is the "squeeky wheel" that gets oiled!

(My reply to Fran's post just above about the squeely wheel:)
It is a hard and fast rule in society that information and education is what changes anything. I don't think this is any less an opportunity for that. IN fact, I have always believed that one of the reasons this is happening in the wide open (and we can thank DS for starting this by using his 3abn stage to get it going) is because this is MUCH to be learned.

The bible is FILLED with stories that are suppose to teach us and help us learn by examining someone else's experiences and then go forth wiser, in attempt to avoid things happening again the same or similar.

Yes, we can get up off our butts and do our part in spreading the work, but, it goes much farther then that. There must always be some accountability by those who speak for us, teach us and lead us, TO US. That is reasonable and also healthy. Those that do not want to be accountable to anyone should not be given authority then to speak for us, teach us and lead us. Does that makes sense?

So, maybe part of the answer is to learn from what's happened and that takes KNOWING whats happened, how and why, and then to watch and pray, as well as do all that can be done to keep things from repeating. Mistakes happen, that is one thing, but to hand over the golden keys to someone who is not deserving or has no one watching over is always going to leave an opening for abuse.

My opinion anyway.
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On the issue of who AT is, I think that it may at times be DS (by proxy) and at other times not be him posting, and/or he may spoon feed info/prepared posts to the person speaking as AT. Probably a close family member doing his bidding for him. That kind of family member can also sound like DS as well in some ways. Anyway, this way, AT can at times (honestly) say online here or to anyone offline "I swear, it's not DS, I'm _____ posting, I am AT!!!" and be telling the "truth". Of course, this is only my opinion and thoughts on that subject based on my observation over time. This of course is why many are saying it's EDS writing, which would be a common sense observation for obvious reasons.

[västergötland]

If the requested information is supplied to the court, would it then become accessible to the public as part of evidence presented to the court? I assume someone would have to have quite a lawyer to manage to classify a case such as this.

[sonshineonme]

Or the purpose of the subponea could be to fish out if any of you listed are 3ABN employees so Danny can fire yall too!

I have come to the conclusion that this is a fishing expedition, probably after a few different kinds of fishys...

[PrincessDrRe]

...and when you go on a fishing trip sometimes you end up catchin' stuff you don't want. You can try to throw it back and sometimes you end up catchin' it again.

MORAL: They gonna bring up some stuff that they really wish they hadn't....

[inga]

It has occurred to me that all of the individuals listed on the subpoena to be served to BlueHost, the host of www.AdventTalk.com, have been regular posters on www.BlackSDA.com.

Now I wonder why they chose to serve the subpoena to the host of www.AdventTalk.com

Have they tried to subpoena Calvin? Have they tried to subpoena the host of BlackSDA.com??

Is it possible they thought BlueHost to be an easier target because they have little reason to oppose the subpoena -- unless we make enough noise in the internet community?

The following 14 peopole are listed in the subponea:

Child of the king
Chrissie
Inga
Artiste
Sonshineonme
Daryl Fawcett
Sister
Johann
Ozzie
Gregory
Snoopy
Soul Expresso
Bonnie
Fran

[sonshineonme]

...and when you go on a fishing trip sometimes you end up catchin' stuff you don't want. You can try to throw it back and sometimes you end up catchin' it again.

MORAL: They gonna bring up some stuff that they really wish they hadn't....

Yep, and it won't be the first time something may backfire on them. Oh well, some people never learn.

[princessdi]

I agree, those particular posts were not incriminating at all. ID's is what they are after both emolyees and/or enemies(3ABN employee looged into/posting at 3ABN, unless witheh approval of administration equal enemies) alike. Those are the people they beliee they can intimidate, and shut down.