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post Apr 21 2006, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE(Clay @ Apr 21 2006, 10:16 AM) [snapback]127426[/snapback]

I think we believe it matters to God, and it probably doesn't...

Of course, everything matters to God, but when something really matters he steps in as in the Tower of Babel or Jonah and the big sea creature. Otherwise, He expects His creatures to use the two pounds of grey matter He gave them rather than treating it as filling to keep their ears separate. THIMK my people.
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post Apr 21 2006, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE(statrei @ Apr 21 2006, 11:23 AM) [snapback]127428[/snapback]

Of course, everything matters to God, but when something really matters he steps in as in the Tower of Babel or Jonah and the big sea creature. Otherwise, He expects His creatures to use the two pounds of grey matter He gave them rather than treating it as filling to keep their ears separate. THIMK my people.

AMEN! You are right on that.

QUOTE(denisebyers @ Apr 21 2006, 11:27 AM) [snapback]127430[/snapback]

AMEN! You are right on that.

A thought came to my mind.......Do you think 3ABN has lost the influence of viewers, and do you think there will be consequences for what has been going on? And I wonder if consequences, what kind of consequences? Just thinking aloud.....Could one of the consequences be loosing the influence? What do you think? I am just curious....
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QUOTE(statrei @ Apr 21 2006, 09:23 AM) [snapback]127428[/snapback]

Of course, everything matters to God, but when something really matters he steps in as in the Tower of Babel or Jonah and the big sea creature. Otherwise, He expects His creatures to use the two pounds of grey matter He gave them rather than treating it as filling to keep their ears separate. THIMK my people.

Unless we are aware of a way to tell when it "really" matters and when it doesn't, then we must not be too quick to discount claims of Divine intervention or dismiss petitions for supernatural assistance.


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QUOTE(Zephyr @ Apr 21 2006, 11:38 AM) [snapback]127431[/snapback]

Unless we are aware of a way to tell when it "really" matters and when it doesn't, then we must not be too quick to discount claims of Divine intervention or dismiss petitions for supernatural assistance.

You have it backwards. Until God steps in you should use your brains. And when you claim divine interference be certain that that designation does not depend on whether the one who benefits is a professed Christian or not. If it was God who intervened when someone sent you $100 you needed, you should be prepared to say that it was He who intervened when someone sent an atheist $100 he needed.

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QUOTE(statrei @ Apr 21 2006, 09:45 AM) [snapback]127432[/snapback]

You have it backwards. Until God steps in you should use your brains. And when you claim divine interference be certain that that designation does not depend on whether the one who benefits is a professed Christian or not. If it was God who intervened when someone sent you $100 you needed, you should be prepared to say that it was He who intervened when someone sent an atheist $100 he needed.


AMEN!

When something we like succeeds it is through God's blessing and intervention. When the atheist succeeds its because he is a good business person. (or an evil liberal (or conservative) plot)
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QUOTE(denisebyers @ Apr 21 2006, 10:36 AM) [snapback]127430[/snapback]

AMEN! You are right on that.
A thought came to my mind.......Do you think 3ABN has lost the influence of viewers, and do you think there will be consequences for what has been going on? And I wonder if consequences, what kind of consequences? Just thinking aloud.....Could one of the consequences be loosing the influence? What do you think? I am just curious....

Who knows? It's really not that important... they may have been used for a time, and now their time is up.... It seems to be cyclical for most things on t.v. Top ten shows eventually fall out of the top ten and are canceled....


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QUOTE(Denny @ Apr 20 2006, 06:21 AM) [snapback]127263[/snapback]

....Perhaps 3ABN need to stop issuing press releases dragging Linda's name in the mud if you really got truth and righteous on your side why use this tactic to keep the dosh rolling in?

Dead on.

It's gonna be a hot mess when all this comes out....


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QUOTE(beartrap @ Apr 21 2006, 01:28 PM) [snapback]127407[/snapback]

I doubt many people would be very interested in seeing all the pastors and church leaders take vows of poverty, but making a living, and becoming vastly wealthy off of "ministry" are two different things. An Adventist pastor driving a Toyota Corolla that offerings paid for, and an Adventist televangelist flying in a multi-million dollar private jet paid for by the sisters who are still trying to raise the rent money after tithes and offerings can hardly be compared.

I agree. Then we DO expect them to live a modest life and be good stewards of the money entrusted in them. There IS a certain amount of poverty that is expected. Some sacrifice on their part...at least a show of some of the sacrifice they expect from their donors.


There was a story on 3ABN about a man who didn't watch the programming. Something happened and his station was stuck on 3ABN until he was convinced of the SDA message, then it was released. Anyone heard that one?

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I agree. Then we DO expect them to live a modest life and be good stewards of the money entrusted in them. There IS a certain amount of poverty that is expected. Some sacrifice on their part...at least a show of some of the sacrifice they expect from their donors.
There was a story on 3ABN about a man who didn't watch the programming. Something happened and his station was stuck on 3ABN until he was convinced of the SDA message, then it was released. Anyone heard that one?

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People are not to be subjected to permanent poverty, but Adventism teaches modesty and good stewardship of donated funds.

If Adventist women could just find a way to hang a couple of jet airplanes from their earlobes, Adventist ministers could see immodesty - when it occurs - more clearly. rofl1.gif

Here's something you might not know:

There is a perfectly good, major airport in Saint Louis, two hours on the freeway, west of 3ABN's headquarters. I've used this airport myself on more than one occasion. Saint Louis has a very fine airport.

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There is an available passenger shuttle service from West Frankfort that goes to the big airport. One passenger is only $58.00. For an extra $5.00, they'll pick you up at your Southern Illinois front door, rather than the designated shuttle stop.

Their Web site says: "Our service is by reservation and is provided in luxury conversion vans, 24 hours per day, 7 days per week,"

That's $63 dollars door-to-door from home or office to the Saint Louis Airport.

3ABN has so many guests coming in and out of West Frankfort that I'm sure the passenger shuttle company has no problems finding 3ABN.

Here's the link:

http://www.bartshuttle.com/rates.htm

With the cost of fuel these days, why would somebody want to fill a private airplane with jet fuel, at a horrendous expense, and fly to the same places a commercial jet goes? What type of good stewardship would this be?

And, unfortunately, I have to wonder if the new wife has bought into this new "lifestyle of the rich and famous" as a condition for marriage. After all, when do you see young women marrying old men who are destitute?

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QUOTE(Panama_Pete @ Apr 21 2006, 08:08 PM) [snapback]127468[/snapback]

....And, unfortunately, I have to wonder if the new wife has bought into this new "lifestyle of the rich and famous" as a condition for marriage. After all, when do you see young women marrying old men who are destitute?

My Mother already told me "Don't marry no old *** man...."

Yep.

She said it.

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QUOTE(PrincessDrRe @ Apr 21 2006, 08:32 PM) [snapback]127471[/snapback]

My Mother already told me "Don't marry no old *** man...."

Yep.

She said it.

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And my grandmother told my mother, "It is better to be a rich old man's darlin', then a poor young man's slave."
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My Mother stated that an old man willl attempt to "raise" you. Like a Father figure so to speak.

Been there, done that twice. I totally understand it.

I had a man with $$$ and he was older - and he was all up in the business like a Daddy....


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QUOTE(Panama_Pete @ Apr 21 2006, 08:08 PM) [snapback]127468[/snapback]

People are not to be subjected to permanent poverty, but Adventism teaches modesty and good stewardship of donated funds.

If Adventist women could just find a way to hang a couple of jet airplanes from their earlobes, Adventist ministers could see immodesty - when it occurs - more clearly. rofl1.gif

Here's something you might not know:

There is a perfectly good, major airport in Saint Louis, two hours on the freeway, west of 3ABN's headquarters. I've used this airport myself on more than one occasion. Saint Louis has a very fine airport.

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There is an available passenger shuttle service from West Frankfort that goes to the big airport. One passenger is only $58.00. For an extra $5.00, they'll pick you up at your Southern Illinois front door, rather than the designated shuttle stop.

Their Web site says: "Our service is by reservation and is provided in luxury conversion vans, 24 hours per day, 7 days per week,"

That's $63 dollars door-to-door from home or office to the Saint Louis Airport.

3ABN has so many guests coming in and out of West Frankfort that I'm sure the passenger shuttle company has no problems finding 3ABN.

Here's the link:

http://www.bartshuttle.com/rates.htm

With the cost of fuel these days, why would somebody want to fill a private airplane with jet fuel, at a horrendous expense, and fly to the same places a commercial jet goes? What type of good stewardship would this be?

And, unfortunately, I have to wonder if the new wife has bought into this new "lifestyle of the rich and famous" as a condition for marriage. After all, when do you see young women marrying old men who are destitute?

Having a corporate jet is a nice perk if you can afford it and apparently they can. For multi-million dollar corporations (3ABN is) that require frequent travel for their executives a corporate jet can be justified based upon the value of said executive’s time to the business. The 3ABN board has determined that a two hour bus trip to Saint Louis and further constrains of commercial air travel is not the best use of Danny’s time. There are other considerations as well that go into the cost/benefit analysis; travel on short notice, change of travel plans, other staff required to travel for on location programming, etc.

One other thing, its all relative to cost of doing business that makes this perk excessive or not. Now if 30% of my donated dollar is going to fly Danny and his entourage around the country then I would have a problem, if it is closer to 2 or 3 percent no big deal.
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One other thing, its all relative to cost of doing business that makes this perk excessive or not. Now if 30% of my donated dollar is going to fly Danny and his entourage around the country then I would have a problem, if it is closer to 2 or 3 percent no big deal.

Are you suggesting that they provide that information with supporting documentation? How else can you know?
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I don’t know, but I suspect it is not a major operating expense relative to there total operations. Furthermore, I am not a frequent or major donator to 3ABN, so it is not an issue for me. Corporate jets are not as expense as one might think. Don’t know what the arrangement is with 3abn, but even smaller companies can afford this travel now, you don’t have to own a plane, most are leased or use a charter service.
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