Behind The Scenes, By Jorgen VanBraun Options

[sister]

I have received the following narrative from Jorgen VanBraun. Jorgen and I agreed to start a new thread in which he will continue the work he began in "The Televengelist". As new selections become available they will be posted. I will allow Jorgen's words to speak for themselves without further comment.

Sister

The Solution
Jorgen VanBraun

The walls appear to be closing in on Danny Shelton as he and a bevy of acolytes struggle against an avalanche of accusations that continues to grow daily. In their traditional manner, they strike out ever more viciously against all who dare to expose the deeply rooted evils of "God’s anointed" one, yet every rock they roll seems to become a boulder, but an unseen hand reverses the direction of those boulders, allowing their own words to condemn them. How can this scandal-ridden televangelist save his place in the Seventh-day Adventist world, and once again regain his exulted position riding atop the pinnacle of the wave of worship and adulation handed to him by a denomination who coveted the results of what he was selling and never questioned the means, allowing the end result to justify any carnage strewn along the path?

We look back over the past year and see that an exalted member of the 3ABN family engages in activities that result in a "surprise package", a little bundle of joy whose untimely appearance will verify the falsified stories concerning it’s conception. Shortly thereafter this person and the other party involved in the… ahem… sensual activities are baptized within days of the discovery of the "surprise". We see the intent of this ceremony is to wash away the stain, not only of the most recent event, but those stains of the many illicit sensual activities that have occurred over the past few years, including the adultery and long term phone sex relationship. The intent is to secure silence concerning past transgressions and absolve the sinner from accountability and reaping the results connected with the offences. It can serve as a spiritual bankruptcy, where the sinner is saved in, not from her sins.

Now we see Danny Shelton on the set, surrounded by his most faithful cronies – a virtual rouges gallery who have sold their integrity, self respect, and honesty one piece at a time for the various pieces of silver they have received along the way. In their exaltation of Danny and their degradation of his "enemies" they secure their positions within his realm and the favor of its anointed ruler. In desperation, they lash out against the people whose words are bringing their tin god down and in turn threatening their own exulted positions within this kingdom where he wields absolute power. They quote scripture, making allegorical statements meant to incriminate those they so fear, seeking the downfall of his enemies through insinuation robed in a garb of lies. Danny sits in his seat beaming with pleasure while their portrayals of his status as God’s anointed is applied to him, in direct contrast to the condemnation applied to those he hates.

Amidst this ruckus, it is cautiously repeated several times that good people make mistakes…comparisons are made to Moses and David. As the rhetoric resumes, the pastor’s statements alludes to the fact that the prophets were not free from sin. Was not Moses himself a murderer, didn’t he kill an Egyptian? Then he addresses his anointed one from God and asks the question, "Danny, have you ever murdered anyone?" A hush falls over the others gathered there awaiting his reply: "Well, not lately..." A bit flustered he carries on, "Not that I know of...well unless you mean people can kill with words?"

Danny is impressed to take some time off for spiritual renewal...

Remember this hypotheses:

1. Renewal and rebaptism wash away anything that happened before. None can bring it up again, the baptized are not culpable for past transgressions, nor is there any accountability.
2. Good people make mistakes, even the prophets of God sinned.
3. Time off for spiritual renewal.

Bearing this in mind, if a great cult leader goes up to the mountain top to ”reconnect with God”, returns and confesses that he did a few things wrong, and that he feels led to show his recommitment to ministry by rebaptism, do we walk away and concede that he has filed his spiritual bankruptcy? Do we say "He is once again the anointed one", all is forgiven and needs to be forgotten? Do we allow the evil to continue through a forced lip-service platitude that gives a warm feeling but leaves the fox in the hen house? Has God given Danny Shelton special dispensation, absolving him from the consequences of his actions and the requirement of restitution, unlike the rest of us?

[calvin]

Is this Jorgen VanBraun a real person? Who is he? What is his connection with 3ABN?

[watchbird]

Is this Jorgen VanBraun a real person? Who is he? What is his connection with 3ABN?

He is a real person. This is not his real name. He is the same person who wrote The Televangelist ..... and he deserves to be allowed to fly "under the radar" now for the same reasons he did then. There are several of us on here who know him and will vouch for his authenticity. His "connection" with 3ABN cannot be divulged, for to do so would make his identity known. If you compare what Sister said in her introduction here to what was said in that thread about The Televangelist document (written in 2005) needing to be brought up to date, you will see that this is is the beginning of that updating process.

[justme]

I have received the following narrative from Jorgen VanBraun. Jorgen and I agreed to start a new thread in which he will continue the work he began in "The Televengelist". As new selections become available they will be posted. I will allow Jorgen's words to speak for themselves without further comment.

Sister

The Solution
Jorgen VanBraun

The walls appear to be closing in on Danny Shelton as he and a bevy of acolytes struggle against an avalanche of accusations that continues to grow daily. In their traditional manner, they strike out ever more viciously against all who dare to expose the deeply rooted evils of "God’s anointed" one, yet every rock they roll seems to become a boulder, but an unseen hand reverses the direction of those boulders, allowing their own words to condemn them. How can this scandal-ridden televangelist save his place in the Seventh-day Adventist world, and once again regain his exulted position riding atop the pinnacle of the wave of worship and adulation handed to him by a denomination who coveted the results of what he was selling and never questioned the means, allowing the end result to justify any carnage strewn along the path?

We look back over the past year and see that an exalted member of the 3ABN family engages in activities that result in a "surprise package", a little bundle of joy whose untimely appearance will verify the falsified stories concerning it’s conception. Shortly thereafter this person and the other party involved in the… ahem… sensual activities are baptized within days of the discovery of the "surprise". We see the intent of this ceremony is to wash away the stain, not only of the most recent event, but those stains of the many illicit sensual activities that have occurred over the past few years, including the adultery and long term phone sex relationship. The intent is to secure silence concerning past transgressions and absolve the sinner from accountability and reaping the results connected with the offences. It can serve as a spiritual bankruptcy, where the sinner is saved in, not from her sins.

Now we see Danny Shelton on the set, surrounded by his most faithful cronies – a virtual rouges gallery who have sold their integrity, self respect, and honesty one piece at a time for the various pieces of silver they have received along the way. In their exaltation of Danny and their degradation of his "enemies" they secure their positions within his realm and the favor of its anointed ruler. In desperation, they lash out against the people whose words are bringing their tin god down and in turn threatening their own exulted positions within this kingdom where he wields absolute power. They quote scripture, making allegorical statements meant to incriminate those they so fear, seeking the downfall of his enemies through insinuation robed in a garb of lies. Danny sits in his seat beaming with pleasure while their portrayals of his status as God’s anointed is applied to him, in direct contrast to the condemnation applied to those he hates.

Amidst this ruckus, it is cautiously repeated several times that good people make mistakes…comparisons are made to Moses and David. As the rhetoric resumes, the pastor’s statements alludes to the fact that the prophets were not free from sin. Was not Moses himself a murderer, didn’t he kill an Egyptian? Then he addresses his anointed one from God and asks the question, "Danny, have you ever murdered anyone?" A hush falls over the others gathered there awaiting his reply: "Well, not lately..." A bit flustered he carries on, "Not that I know of...well unless you mean people can kill with words?"

Danny is impressed to take some time off for spiritual renewal...

Remember this hypotheses:

1. Renewal and rebaptism wash away anything that happened before. None can bring it up again, the baptized are not culpable for past transgressions, nor is there any accountability.
2. Good people make mistakes, even the prophets of God sinned.
3. Time off for spiritual renewal.

Bearing this in mind, if a great cult leader goes up to the mountain top to ”reconnect with God”, returns and confesses that he did a few things wrong, and that he feels led to show his recommitment to ministry by rebaptism, do we walk away and concede that he has filed his spiritual bankruptcy? Do we say "He is once again the anointed one", all is forgiven and needs to be forgotten? Do we allow the evil to continue through a forced lip-service platitude that gives a warm feeling but leaves the fox in the hen house? Has God given Danny Shelton special dispensation, absolving him from the consequences of his actions and the requirement of restitution, unlike the rest of us?

Moses a murderer? Yup
David a murderer? Yup
David an adulterer? Yup
Did Moses repent of his murder? Yup
Did David repent of his murder and adultery? Yup

Did Moses "glory in his own leadership"? Nope
Did Israel exalt Moses to "anointed one" status? Nope
Did Moses flaunt his roll as leader? Nope
Did Moses WANT to be leader of Israel? Nope
Did Moses get to realize his dream of the Holy City? Nope
Did Moses have to surrender his leadership after he did his initial job leading Israel up to the gates of the Promised land? Yup

Did David choose to be leader of Israel? Nope
Did David misuse and abuse his position of power? Yup
Did Davis take advantage of the women around him? Yup
Did David suffer public humiliation for his sins? Yup
Did David suffer the consequences of his sins? Yup
Was David forgiven for his sins? Yup
Did David lose his own flesh and blood as a result of his sins? Yup

Both Moses and David were chosen by God for a particular purpose.
Moses was to lead Israel out of Egypt to a Promised land.
Did he get to go in? Nope!

David was also forgiven for his adultery and his murders. But David also had to forfeit the blessing of building the great temple as God had originally planned for David. David's sins bore the consequences even though he had been forgiven.

Did Danny choose his ministry? Yup
Was it a good ministry? Yup
Does Danny relish his roll at 3ABN? YUP
Has Danny confessed his sins openly as did Moses or David? Nope
Has Danny committed "spiritual murder"? YUP
Will Danny be forgiven, "GOK" (God Only, Knows)
Has he asked for forgiveness from Linda? good question!
Would he forgive Linda if she had anything to be forgiven for? hasn't so far.
Is it time for "TCO" to relinquish his post at the ministry? Only if it goes to the original Co-founder, who has been "spitirually murdered".

Remember SOLOMON? Wisest man ever to live. He let flattery from his "staff" be his undoing as well, especially from Queen "Bathsheba". Then he let the charasmatics take over his kingdom permitting adultery and fornication in the church and in his offices.

That's good, "TCO" keep comparing yourself to God's chosen men. See what they got in the end. Broken kingdoms and heartache. and BAD, BAD PRESS. "Welcome to the club". It is YOUR HARVEST TIME!

When "the chosen one" "TCO" if you will, doesn't like to be crossed or disobeyed he fires them. WHere is the forgiveness for that dear soul, he so deeply desires for himself? Are we not told by our Precious Creator and Redeemer, Jesus, that we are forgiven only so far as we are willing to forgive others? "TCO" doesn't have a clue ... he has never tried to see if it works. And what about his own Delilah? Did she figure into his "spitirual murder" of his own wife. If she committed "spiritual adultery" can his sin against Linda be called "spiritual murder"?

The difference between faith and presumption is that presumption follows itself. Faith follows the Holy Spirit, the Comforter. IF he is not feeling comforted lately maybe he is following his accuser, a familiar voice, maybe?

Comparing oneself with Moses and David makes him look even worse. Neither of them wanted the job God gave them. "TCO" glories in his job. When Moses or David were flattered by those around them, they immediately messed up. It led them away from God. So what makes "TCO" think he can handle it. Because he believes the lie himself, having heard it all these years from his Pentecostal "support group".
The programming becomes more and more Pentecostal every week. Thanks Mollie. but no thanks ..

[Fran]

Comparing oneself with Moses and David makes him look even worse. Neither of them wanted the job God gave them. "TCO" glories in his job. When Moses or David were flattered by those around them, they immediately messed up. It led them away from God. So what makes "TCO" think he can handle it. Because he believes the lie himself, having heard it all these years from his Pentecostal "support group".
The programming becomes more and more Pentecostal every week. Thanks Mollie. but no thanks ..

That may be the plan; To drop the SDA bit and go Pentecostal! It could be. That would get those blasted Seventh-day Adventists a run for their money! Many would continue to give! When God said the devil would deceive the VERY ELECT HE MEANT IT! ,

[sister]

Is this Jorgen VanBraun a real person? Who is he? What is his connection with 3ABN?

Jorgen VanBraun is a real person. He has had a continuing intimate relationship with 3ABN, for which I am willing to vouch. There are many who assume they know his true identity or current location, but are mistaken. As I have chosen to protect my identity in order to reveal the knowledge I have concerning 3ABN, I have offered Jorgen that same protection through being his intermediary on this forum. This arrangement allows him to freely share information without the threat of retribution against him becoming a hindrance to informing the public in regard 3ABN. He has given me the responsibility to represent him and post his writings on BSDA. I have agreed to do so for his personal protection.

[calvin]

thank you Sister and Watchbird for that clarification

[husbandoftheyear]

Bearing this in mind, if a great cult leader goes up to the mountain top to ”reconnect with God”, returns and confesses that he did a few things wrong, and that he feels led to show his recommitment to ministry by rebaptism, do we walk away and concede that he has filed his spiritual bankruptcy? Do we say "He is once again the anointed one", all is forgiven and needs to be forgotten? Do we allow the evil to continue through a forced lip-service platitude that gives a warm feeling but leaves the fox in the hen house? Has God given Danny Shelton special dispensation, absolving him from the consequences of his actions and the requirement of restitution, unlike the rest of us?

Dan is counting on exactly this.

If he "reconnects with God and is born again"- he is untouchable in many of his past action and you can bet that he'll be even better the second - er - third - er - the next time around to keep his secrets secret.

[Daryl Fawcett]

It seems though that he is taking his time to actually go on this so-called revival and reformation vacation.

[Jvat]

Well, Dan seems to be denying everything so perhaps he does not feel that he needs that vacation right now.

[steffan]

I have received the following narrative from Jorgen VanBraun. Jorgen and I agreed to start a new thread in which he will continue the work he began in "The Televengelist". As new selections become available they will be posted. I will allow Jorgen's words to speak for themselves without further comment.

Sister

The Solution
Jorgen VanBraun

The walls appear to be closing in on Danny Shelton as he and a bevy of acolytes struggle against an avalanche of accusations that continues to grow daily. In their traditional manner, they strike out ever more viciously against all who dare to expose the deeply rooted evils of "God’s anointed" one, yet every rock they roll seems to become a boulder, but an unseen hand reverses the direction of those boulders, allowing their own words to condemn them. How can this scandal-ridden televangelist save his place in the Seventh-day Adventist world, and once again regain his exulted position riding atop the pinnacle of the wave of worship and adulation handed to him by a denomination who coveted the results of what he was selling and never questioned the means, allowing the end result to justify any carnage strewn along the path?

I am confused here. They strike out more viciously against whom? How do they strike out viciously?

We look back over the past year and see that an exalted member of the 3ABN family engages in activities that result in a "surprise package", a little bundle of joy whose untimely appearance will verify the falsified stories concerning it’s conception. Shortly thereafter this person and the other party involved in the… ahem… sensual activities are baptized within days of the discovery of the "surprise". We see the intent of this ceremony is to wash away the stain, not only of the most recent event, but those stains of the many illicit sensual activities that have occurred over the past few years, including the adultery and long term phone sex relationship. The intent is to secure silence concerning past transgressions and absolve the sinner from accountability and reaping the results connected with the offences. It can serve as a spiritual bankruptcy, where the sinner is saved in, not from her sins.

Who is this exalted member? Why not just name the exalted member's name? What is this little bundle of joy's name?

Now we see Danny Shelton on the set, surrounded by his most faithful cronies – a virtual rouges gallery who have sold their integrity, self respect, and honesty one piece at a time for the various pieces of silver they have received along the way. In their exaltation of Danny and their degradation of his "enemies" they secure their positions within his realm and the favor of its anointed ruler. In desperation, they lash out against the people whose words are bringing their tin god down and in turn threatening their own exulted positions within this kingdom where he wields absolute power. They quote scripture, making allegorical statements meant to incriminate those they so fear, seeking the downfall of his enemies through insinuation robed in a garb of lies. Danny sits in his seat beaming with pleasure while their portrayals of his status as God’s anointed is applied to him, in direct contrast to the condemnation applied to those he hates.

Who are the rogues in the gallery? Are you referring to the John Lomacang sermon on John the Baptist? Does that make him a rogue in the rogue's gallery?

Bearing this in mind, if a great cult leader goes up to the mountain top to ”reconnect with God”, returns and confesses that he did a few things wrong, and that he feels led to show his recommitment to ministry by rebaptism, do we walk away and concede that he has filed his spiritual bankruptcy? Do we say "He is once again the anointed one", all is forgiven and needs to be forgotten? Do we allow the evil to continue through a forced lip-service platitude that gives a warm feeling but leaves the fox in the hen house? Has God given Danny Shelton special dispensation, absolving him from the consequences of his actions and the requirement of restitution, unlike the rest of us?

How does that make him a cult leader? Waco, Jonestown and almost all the cults I read about had very strict control over who goes in and who comes out. The members of the cult were controlled, brain-washed and confined to the compound. How is it possible for 3abn to be called a cult when it seems that people are employed there and get to go home every night?

It is very difficult for me to take information coming from sources like these without identity verification. (Yes, yes, I know, the same insinuation that I am in the employ of 3ABN). However, people who speak out against injustice and evil, it seems, do so knowing that God is their protection and they have nothing to fear.

How is it that 3ABN employees have so much to fear? Loss of job? Name? Income? The Lord will provide and none can harm because God is their shield.

As usual, my name and email is at the end of this post.

Steffan Philip
steffankp@gmail.com

[Panama_Pete]

It is very difficult for me to take information coming from sources like these without identity verification.

Steffan Philip
steffankp@gmail.com

Identity verification?

You've asked for identities on three different threads, today.

If I said, "Jane Doe, in Peoria," how would that make life less "difficult" for you?

It seems that the phishing expedition continues.

[sonshineonme]

Identity verification?

You've asked for identities on three different threads, today.

If I said, "Jane Doe, in Peoria," how would that make life less "difficult" for you?

It seems that the phishing expedition continues.

Me too. We ain't as dumb as we must appear to be, aye Pete?

[Lee]

I am new on this forum and haven't posted much but I have been reading all along.

It isn't just having names that I believe Steffan wants--it is having information that is clearly presented without insinuations or inuendoes. I understand not presenting real names--but when I read the "televangelist" I felt like I was reading a work of fiction. Now this new chapter reads the same way. I am reading words like "cronies" and "rogues gallery" and "cult leader" and other unkind words. I come away feeling that Jorgen actually enjoyed writing this way. These things are written seemingly with malice and hatred oozing everywhere.

I am sure you all know that envy will lead to jealousy if not checked and overcome? And that jealousy will lead to hatred, again if not checked and overcome? And that hatred will lead to murder? There are many ways in which to murder someone.

[steffan]

Identity verification?

You've asked for identities on three different threads, today.

If I said, "Jane Doe, in Peoria," how would that make life less "difficult" for you?

It seems that the phishing expedition continues.

Well, Jane Doe would be useless, eh? How about John Smith, Production Manager, 3ABN - for example? Then I could say to myself, alright then, let's hear what this person has to say.
Nope, having anonymous people constantly posting makes it difficult to even figure out what the truth is.
And I presume the truth is what we want to get at.
I don't see how else to assure you that I am not on a "phishing" expedition, other than to say I'm not.
Phishing is normally used for identity theft, in which case, I guess mine would be the first one stolen.
Strictly speaking, phishing is stealing user names and passwords and I don't see how I could do that on this forum.

Steffan Philip
steffankp@gmail.com