Why The Silence? Options

[Uncle Sam]

Where has everyone gone? I have been waiting for something to happen and it is so silent????

[Seraphim7]

Where has everyone gone? I have been waiting for something to happen and it is so silent????

If you have something on your mind by all means share. Maybe there are no new updates. One thing is certain, folk here are more than willing to speak their minds when they have something to say.

[Clay]

aint nothing happening.... so its quiet...

[husbandoftheyear]

What you hear is the sound of everyone holding their breath while waiting - patiently of course...

[simplysaved]

So when is the Board Meeting scheduled....

What you hear is the sound of everyone holding their breath while waiting - patiently of course...

[Nuggie]

Well, everything that can be said has been said and Danny's still in power and 3ABN is still in tact...so, we're right back where we started, right?

[watchbird]

Well, everything that can be said has been said and Danny's still in power and 3ABN is still in tact...so, we're right back where we started, right?

Not at all. when we started we were few in number and very few things had been said. Now we are much greater in number and a LOT more things have been said.

There are many unknowns. And we all get tired of the wait. But we still put our trust in the Lord and trust that He will indeed bring justice for the oppressed and release for the captives. What is He waiting for? I don't know...... though there are several things that I suspect.

Meanwhile, it won't hurt for us to take a bit of a breather.... but let's not forget either the victims that we know about and that far greater number that stand in the shadows out of sight and wait wearily for their deliverance, exhonoration, vindication..... and even restitution and restoration of what they have lost.

While we are waiting, I'm wondering if there are those who would like to add their stories to the ones that have already been told. If so, perhaps this would be a good thread for them to do it in.

[Guest_vonessa_*]

Not at all. when we started we were few in number and very few things had been said. Now we are much greater in number and a LOT more things have been said.

There are many unknowns. And we all get tired of the wait. But we still put our trust in the Lord and trust that He will indeed bring justice for the oppressed and release for the captives. What is He waiting for? I don't know...... though there are several things that I suspect.

Meanwhile, it won't hurt for us to take a bit of a breather.... but let's not forget either the victims that we know about and that far greater number that stand in the shadows out of sight and wait wearily for their deliverance, exhonoration, vindication..... and even restitution and restoration of what they have lost.

While we are waiting, I'm wondering if there are those who would like to add their stories to the ones that have already been told. If so, perhaps this would be a good thread for them to do it in.

You are so right. There are those who have tried to say that all of this came to nothing and whatnot. My guess is that they are part of the 3ABN and want people to go away thinking it has all been told. The silence does not mean that there is nothing more coming. It is the calm before the storm hits. Then that which we have gathered to witness will come forth in its fury.

Now I do not know what is coming, but we have been shown present truths in the past of the inner workings that go on behind closed doors and we can expect to learn more. Those who leave now and feel that all has been told are simply jumping out of the frying pan . . . and into the fire reserved for the hosts watchbird mentioned.

In the meantime, we can take a breather, but let us give thanks for the knowledge we have been given to this date.

"For yet a little while, and that that shall come will come, and will not tarry."

This post has been edited by vonessa: Oct 3 2006, 06:49 PM

[fallible humanbe...]

There are many unknowns. And we all get tired of the wait. But we still put our trust in the Lord and trust that He will indeed bring justice for the oppressed and release for the captives. What is He waiting for? I don't know...... though there are several things that I suspect.

Meanwhile, it won't hurt for us to take a bit of a breather.... but let's not forget either the victims that we know about and that far greater number that stand in the shadows out of sight and wait wearily for their deliverance, exhonoration, vindication..... and even restitution and restoration of what they have lost.

Or, another possiblity is that this is God's will. I wouldn't for a minute attempt to minimize anyones personal pain - we have all been there to some degree or another. However, you make this sound more like GitMo than the independent ministry of 3ABN, which regardless of which side of the debate you fall on has reached many and brought them to the foot of the cross. Your hyperbole tries to paint a picture of Stalin-like scorched earth policy.

Maybe the private investigator from the east coast hired by Linda hasn't been able to put together a case - maybe there isn't anything to the rumors. There are many possibilities and only half of them get "air time" here. The assumption here seems to be that God will bring down either Danny or 3ABN altogether, a lot of assuming to know what God sees, wants, and will do. Is it possible that in the end He will make a decision that makes someone unhappy - absolutely, I expect it. The reason I expect it is because we as human beings want what we want and on occasion lose perspective and there by severe our belief that God is in charge. After all, if He were doing what was "right" it would match up with what I think should happen. We all fall into that mindset during our sanctification process (Mrs. W. said, after all, that that is a process that takes a life time).

I know I invite the wrath of the jilted and legitimately pained with this comment - but it is none-the-less true. God IS in charge and He will do all that needs doing in the process of making sure that all on the face of the earth have the chance to hear His word and experience His love. We can not force our will, our need for retribution, and at worst our vengence on God - He will not accept it and will focus on His mission . . . to save all of mankind that He can. His is a plan for all of us and not for me or you alone. I can not force my needs, wants, desires, ideas on God.

Maybe that old cliche (oh, how I hate cliches) is applicable - "Let go and let God" . . .

Then again maybe I am a deluded fool - in which case, move on to the next post.

-fhb

- fhb

This post has been edited by fallible humanbeing: Oct 3 2006, 07:39 PM

[justme]

Well, everything that can be said has been said and Danny's still in power and 3ABN is still in tact...so, we're right back where we started, right?

Apparently, but not, quite,

actually... the latest information reaching me is that independent professional investigating has been looking into the 3ABN Saga and is gathering quite a bit of first-hand information. The information is getting more wide spread, and goes deeper than first thought, and, "gets stinkier by the day".(quote).

I was JUST told that "within a month" we can expect to receive (what is being called) a "petition". To go to many, many emails. It will make known what WE have discovered right here in this forum. Many of the relatively-obscure or little-known items about 3ABN have "fallen off" the forum threads recently, for lack of activity or "time-expired"(?). However, many of the most heinous reports that were on the forum have been verified and are expected to be included in the upcoming "petition".

People are STILL coming forward to be interviewed. They relate their own horrible experiences, just as we have seen here.

Investigation into each person who is in a leadership position at 3ABN is actually taking place. That which is being learned IS appalling. While the investigation continues ("in progress") it is not good to be more specific just yet.


Now, just as we have thought…
As a result og the most recent investigation, the "vindication" of the former 3ABN Vice President (3ABNVP) was expected to be made available by now. That was what you have been anticipating but didn't know that's what it was/is. BUT, because of the scope of information being uncovered, there is so much MORE coming to light, not about her, but about the "principal players" i.e. the leadership of 3ABN, that it is taking more time to do the job. At least in terms of what the masses need to know, it continues to grow.

One of the first and most encouraging investigations has been the one tha was done "looking into the honesty and truthfulness of the former Vice President and Co-Founder of 3ABN". At-length interviews (interrogation) using professional interrogating techniques, have revealed no untruthfulness in anything she has said. If you have ever seen someone wiggle and squirm, stammer and stutter during questioning then you know what has been going on at 3ABN But not by Linda Shelton . Honest and truthful people can't be "tripped up". And Linda Shelton passed the truthfulness test "with flying colors".

It further validates that her conduct should never have come into question". In short, she did not commit "spiritual adultery". She did not commit "actual adultery". She was faithful to her vows in her marriage to the President of 3ABN. It is expected to be made very clear in the upcoming "petition".

As someone here has said, .."There is a rumbling" just over the horizon...

Quiet anticipation ... almost holding our breaths.

The sad truth is just around the corner, it really IS ...

(Editorial comment:
Some who will hear what is coming will be devastated. It may test their faith. It will be painful. It is very far reaching. Upon hearing it some will rejoice. Some will weep. Some will gasp. Some will pray. And some will do all of the above. Yet, for some there likely will be, at first, shock, disbelief, maybe $ome will panic(not a typo). But, please let's all remember that God loves each one involved in the 3ABN Saga. Not for what they have done. Not because they have worked at 3ABN, But because He still loves each one. There will be suffering and gnashing of teeth, maybe ranting and raving, but, let's not rejoice in their suffering, for surely it is coming sooner than they think.

Let's pray that each one of them will repent, turn from their ways, be contrite, confess, make restitution, and “be there with Jesus” when the "Great Controversy between Christ and Satan" is ended.

We can hope that “by not letting all this slip away” those involved at 3ABN WILL be able to be in Heaven and then to send a ‘Thank you” to BSDA for not “letting them get away with it after all at the poeril of their souls”.

Jesus died for EVERYONE. God is not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should repent."

We ALL do want what is best from God's point of view, don't we?

(ESPECIALLY Pray for "healing justice" for the hearts of "the children".

[PeacefulBe]

Or, another possiblity is that this is God's will. I wouldn't for a minute attempt to minimize anyones personal pain - we have all been there to some degree or another. However, you make this sound more like GitMo than the independent ministry of 3ABN, which regardless of which side of the debate you fall on has reached many and brought them to the foot of the cross. Your hyperbole tries to paint a picture of Stalin-like scorched earth policy.

Maybe the private investigator from the east coast hired by Linda hasn't been able to put together a case - maybe there isn't anything to the rumors. There are many possibilities and only half of them get "air time" here. The assumption here seems to be that God will bring down either Danny or 3ABN altogether, a lot of assuming to know what God sees, wants, and will do. Is it possible that in the end He will make a decision that makes someone unhappy - absolutely, I expect it. The reason I expect it is because we as human beings want what we want and on occasion lose perspective and there by severe our belief that God is in charge. After all, if He were doing what was "right" it would match up with what I think should happen. We all fall into that mindset during our sanctification process (Mrs. W. said, after all, that that is a process that takes a life time).

I know I invite the wrath of the jilted and legitimately pained with this comment - but it is none-the-less true. God IS in charge and He will do all that needs doing in the process of making sure that all on the face of the earth have the chance to hear His word and experience His love. We can not force our will, our need for retribution, and at worst our vengence on God - He will not accept it and will focus on His mission . . . to save all of mankind that He can. His is a plan for all of us and not for me or you alone. I can not force my needs, wants, desires, ideas on God.

Maybe that old cliche (oh, how I hate cliches) is applicable - "Let go and let God" . . .

Then again maybe I am a deluded fool - in which case, move on to the next post.

-fhb

- fhb

FHB, I don't see how anybody who carefully reads your post could get riled to wrath. It was all well stated.

[watchbird]

Or, another possiblity is that this is God's will. I wouldn't for a minute attempt to minimize anyones personal pain - we have all been there to some degree or another. However, you make this sound more like GitMo than the independent ministry of 3ABN, which regardless of which side of the debate you fall on has reached many and brought them to the foot of the cross. Your hyperbole tries to paint a picture of Stalin-like scorched earth policy.

Maybe the private investigator from the east coast hired by Linda hasn't been able to put together a case - maybe there isn't anything to the rumors. There are many possibilities and only half of them get "air time" here. The assumption here seems to be that God will bring down either Danny or 3ABN altogether, a lot of assuming to know what God sees, wants, and will do. Is it possible that in the end He will make a decision that makes someone unhappy - absolutely, I expect it. The reason I expect it is because we as human beings want what we want and on occasion lose perspective and there by severe our belief that God is in charge. After all, if He were doing what was "right" it would match up with what I think should happen. We all fall into that mindset during our sanctification process (Mrs. W. said, after all, that that is a process that takes a life time).

I know I invite the wrath of the jilted and legitimately pained with this comment - but it is none-the-less true. God IS in charge and He will do all that needs doing in the process of making sure that all on the face of the earth have the chance to hear His word and experience His love. We can not force our will, our need for retribution, and at worst our vengence on God - He will not accept it and will focus on His mission . . . to save all of mankind that He can. His is a plan for all of us and not for me or you alone. I can not force my needs, wants, desires, ideas on God.

Maybe that old cliche (oh, how I hate cliches) is applicable - "Let go and let God" . . .

Then again maybe I am a deluded fool - in which case, move on to the next post.

-fhb

- fhb

Or maybe you are attempting to confuse issues by making it appear that we cannot know the difference between right and wrong..... and therefore cannot have any idea what God's will is in the situations surrounding the 3ABN Saga. Sorry fhb, but your conglomeration of cliches may sound erudite and even pious on a quick read .... too bad they neither fit the circumstances nor fit with each other.

Oh well..... I suppose you had to try. Too bad you couldn't have kept more in line with facts.

[fallible humanbe...]

Or maybe you are attempting to confuse issues by making it appear that we cannot know the difference between right and wrong..... and therefore cannot have any idea what God's will is in the situations surrounding the 3ABN Saga. Sorry fhb, but your conglomeration of cliches may sound erudite and even pious on a quick read .... too bad they neither fit the circumstances nor fit with each other.

Oh well..... I suppose you had to try. Too bad you couldn't have kept more in line with facts.

I have no desire to confuse - I think you mistake an alternative view with a desire to "run interference" - I have no need to, nor would I waste my time to do such. I do believe there are disingenuous postings going on here designed to titillate and keep people "tuned in" in order to try and "increase the numbers." If, as you claim your case is true, it will play out just that way.

Watchbird, if nothing happens to 3ABN and it continues to thrive and reach people around the world, will you assume God has abandoned you? Will you be angry with Him for not bringinig down Danny and/or 3ABN? You assume that either or both will happen - what if it doesn't?

I am curious where you feel I insinuate (because you can only be assuming to be reading it between the lines since I have not said such explicitly) that you do not know right from wrong. I merely suggest that your emotional connection, the pain you feel - either personally or vicariously - may be clouding your view - it has happened to me in my life. I don't call into question your growing relationship with your God, nor do I question your sincerity - I only suggest that there is an alternative possibility, take it or leave it.

Can I portend to know God's will, only so much as I read in scripture that His will is to save mankind. Other than that is to say I know the particulars of His plan and can tell you that this or that is an act of God. Insurance companies claim to know the will of God because they include in their policies "acts of God." They can't determine what is an act of God and what is the result of the laws of nature He put into play at the beginning of the world and then again at the fall of man into a sinful existence. The truth is that we do not know His particulars - "I shall come as a thief in the night."

Facts in this case are sparse. As stated before I can not accept things such as "The Televangalist" or the "Unauthorized History" as irrefutable evidence. I will read the letters from Johan, Dr. Thompson, and "the doctor" with the filter that they are written by people who have an interest to defend - whether personal or institutional. You seem to demand that I believe you consonent and vowel - can't do that. Or, that I accept verbatum the "testimony" of the "offended" without the qualification that they may have an ax to grind. You assume a lot - and this leads me to believe that you view me and those who come here as being easily malleable and naive. Just as in the discussion about "tongues" or the validity of Mrs. White . . . each of us arrives at our current position from a process of integrity. I can not question your process with your God, nor can I question the process of Clay or Calvin or HOTY or sister or anyone else here - each of us work out our relationship with God prayerfully and personally.

In the end, God will have His way. It may look nothing like any of us have thought it might. The fact is, that we are merely mirrors that reflect the character of Him we have given our hearts to. That mirror will lead others to Him or not - it is after all a simple proposition.

- fhb

This post has been edited by fallible humanbeing: Oct 3 2006, 08:55 PM

[justme]

Or maybe you are attempting to confuse issues by making it appear that we cannot know the difference between right and wrong..... and therefore cannot have any idea what God's will is in the situations surrounding the 3ABN Saga. Sorry fhb, but your conglomeration of cliches may sound erudite and even pious on a quick read .... too bad they neither fit the circumstances nor fit with each other.

Oh well..... I suppose you had to try. Too bad you couldn't have kept more in line with facts.

fhb and pb, thank you for making my point even stronger. It is good to be able to express it "in other words". It has to be God's will. I know that what is happening IS God's will. There's no disputing that. God IS in charge. As you both so nicely point out, what we see and ho we percieve it is based upon our own personal perspective. If we all stood in a straight line looking in the same direction we would each see it differently.

Of course it is not GitMo. Never could be. But it is a very serious matter, actually a bunch of serious matters. Who knows how it will come out in the end. Only God. And He wants us to remember that He loves each one of these souls. Not one of them will tell you that all is right with God. They still ask an interest in our prayers and we can keep them there.

As is now already becoming evident there will be a lot of hosiliity emmanating when it does come out, whichever way it goes. As we all have seen in recent years, in the face of all evidence and proof, people will "walk" away from the consequences of their deeds.

IF that happens here, and we each have truly given the results to God, then we have to accept it as "done",(for now).

Truly I have no suggestion as to how to solve it. I stopped trying to tell God what to do years ago. What He does has become a mystery to me. How does solve things is way beyond my imagination, and by far so much better than what I wanted.

Thanks for the reminders, you guys ...

[fallible humanbe...]

IF that happens here, and we each have truly given the results to God, then we have to accept it as "done",(for now).

Truly I have no suggestion as to how to solve it. I stopped trying to tell God what to do years ago. What He does has become a mystery to me. How does solve things is way beyond my imagination, and by far so much better than what I wanted.

Thanks for the reminders, you guys ...

Beautifully put JM. We can only accept that God is in charge and that we aren't privy to all the details (and I would guess that that is a very good thing!).

Prayer and faith in the power of our God is what is needed. Thank God you and I don't have to solve it and that He will - I know I could never find a solution . . . Solomon I am not!

Won't it be wonderful to have all the mystery solved when it is finally all over and what we have to look forward to is a new world of perfection!

- fhb

This post has been edited by fallible humanbeing: Oct 3 2006, 09:10 PM