Another newbie critical of BSDA, Handling of the 3ABN threads Options

[Bystander]

I am a new addition to this forum. Not because I want to be but because I cannot keep silent. Someone told me about this websight but I couldn't comprehend it so checked it out myself. My first thoughts were that this was a nice SDA page. I began to scroll down to check out the headings. Beliefs of the Adventist church, activities, family topics, meetings being held and then shockingly "the 3ABN saga!!! I cannot begin to explain my shock and shame as I began to read what has been written here. The accusations, arguments, name calling and gossip has made me ashamed to be a Seventh Day Adventist. That a supposedly christian web site would host this garbage, and some of these people's comments is without excuse. this "forum" goes against any and all biblical principles and moral ethics. I have read of an "investigation" of 3ABN and it's people by someone named Pickle and Gailon. They have shown private emails, made info from private calls public, have insisted on answers from the president of the network, Danny Shelton, and have made statements that they would like to clear 3ABN if only they could get straight and clear answers. Well, I have some questions of my own. Who are Pickle and Gailon? What authority do they have to question and investigate anything or anybody? Who, if anyone, put them in charge and gave them the right to dig into anyone's personal lives? The old saying fits here, "who died and left them in charge." Do they have special credentials that I am ignorant of. I have seen even legal topics explained and assessed and told what this or that means in that instance like we were children and they were law proffessors. I have read continually their opinions on something they have read or heard and then stated as fact. As in, " Joe didn't answer Mary's question so obviously this means that Joe is trying to hide the fact that he did ect. ect... My second question would be " are we as a people that hungry for gossip and dirt that we would spend hours on end not only reading this drivel but adding our little 2 cent comments as to the guilt or innocence of people that we have never met and know nothing about except for the pictures that have been painted here. Worse than our comments is our judgements. We are making judgements here that are destroying people, families, and a world wide ministry on gossip, discussions and heresay by people that have no more power or authority that you or I.
This divorce that I keep reading about between Danny & Linda Shelton means what..... Howmany of you readers out there have been divorced. How many of you have had a "bitter" divorce? How many of you that answered yes to those 2 questions would like it posted and publisized for all the world to see? Now add to that the rumors and "tall tales" that were told on you from your ex's side then combine that with the "tall tales" that came from your side against your ex then multiply that tenfold by the time it got retold 100 hundred times and what you will come up with is the "black sda web site of "the saga of 3ABN."
Do the people involved headlong in this, not have lives of their own? Do they not have problems of their own that they should be working on? Obviously that have big problems or they wouldn't be wasting time destroying everything and everybody in their path.
I have read several excerpts about accusations made by a church of God minister against one of the Shelton Brothers. According to this forum that makes it gospel. The irony of this is that normall we as Adventists turn up our nose at another denomination, especially the minister of another denomination and usually give them no credibility whatsoever. Now because statements from him give us the "supposed dirt" we long to hear, he has all the crediblity in the world. What a laugh on our own people.
I understand that both Shelton parents are dead, the father for over 30 years, and yet, accusations, harsh comments and judgements have flew over the internet against people that not only you have never met, but are deceased and not here to defend themselves. This is a sin against God. 3 or 4 people are relaying horrible things on the world wide internet and say that they got some info from someone else who heard it from someone else and so...it must be true and fact.The way I see it, these people that are in the limelight are victims not the enemy. Just as movie stars are attacked and lied and gossiped about in the secular world, so it is with the people that have been involved in the works of 3ABN. In our adventist denomination they were the "stars" and we, we are the writers of the "Enquirer" and "The Star" gossip magazines. We are starved for every little morsel on these people's lives whether it be true or false. We have a secret jealous need to take them down because they had some popularity and were in the limelight. How sad that we overlook the fact that they were in the limelight because they were spreading the gospel to all the world.
People on this forum,....how low have we fallen to be pulled into this blasphemous nonsense? If 3ABN is having problems my guess would be that most of it is from what is being written here and on other sites. The bible tells us that we are to turn a deaf ear to gossip, rumors and assumptions and instead pray for the people in question that may be going through a difficult time. Think dear people how many of these problems might have already been resolved if we would have spent as much time on our knees in behalf of all of these people as we have spent attacking, discussing and arguing over them on this web site.
A Bystander

[Clay]

Bystander..... BSDA aint for everyone... perhaps you would do will to stand somewhere else...

[Lee]

Bystander! you are completely correct in what you have stated. Now be prepared to be attacked for saying it--or totally ignored.

Seems I remember something about a verse in the Bible saying something about "itching ears."

What is worse Bystander is that this is a PUBLIC forum--anyone can come on here and read all that is said on here. Sad isn't it.

[Pickle]

Bystander,

Go ask your conference president or conference secretary about the ramifications of what we are talking about.

A former conference official called me Friday and said that when he came back from Risk Management meetings, he would feel like crawling under his desk and hiding. He said that they would tell him that regarding these kind of issues, they had a million and a half dollars per year, and after that they were on their own.

So ask your conference secretary or president what would happen in your conference if they had received a letter alerting them to the fact that there was an alleged pedophile around their academy, and they did nothing about it except sweep it under the rug. Ask them if they might open themselves up to potential lawsuits costing millions.

Now that isn't quite what we have here. We have no indication that I know of that the IL Conf. has covered up anything. But we do have evidence that Danny has, and because the Conf. Pres. sits on the 3ABN board, and the 3ABN General Manager sits on the conference committee, it seems to me that a case could be made that the conference committee should have known about this potential risk. And if that were to happen in a lawsuit over a molested academy student, there possibily could be huge damages, not to mention lives unnecessarily adversely hurt by a pedophile.

Don't take my word for it. Ask the powers that be in your conference.

And remember, a lot of stuff was being bantered around in this forum long before I came along.

This post has been edited by Pickle: Jan 7 2007, 03:15 PM

[rwelchcrs]

(Sigh) Bystander is just another in a series of wide-eyed innocents who stumble upon this sight and jump to quick conclusions without taking extra time to read and study the pinned threads. Perhaps it would be well to have an advisory statement at the start of each thread in which new readers can be directed to the pinned items before reading current threads, otherwise, this trend will continue. People are going to be "shocked" over and over and over....

[Pickle]

Lee, this is not an attack.

But I would like to point out that you were the one who suggested that if a minor child was consenting when Tommy allegedly molested him, that makes it different, correct? Didn't you suggest that?

I don't believe you've retracted that comment yet. Would you like to do that now?

You see, if Danny has a lot of defenders come on here and make statements like that, it's not going to help him one bit.

A fellow I was talking to yesterday pointed out to me that legally, a minor cannot consent. I hadn't thought of that, but I think that is true.

If you want to make sure your statements have any credibility, you really need to retract that comment.

[fallible humanbe...]

Hi Calvin.

If I have not done so here, I have done so elsewhere, and Fallible, if he chooses, can confirm this. I have point blank said that Walt never said, "Danny lied to me." But by admitting that Danny was the source of the clearly bogus information, he did essentially admit that Danny misled him, even though he never said, "Danny misled me."

Bob,

Here a few of the statements that occured over on Maritime. You have also made similar claims here, using the exact same wording.

From Maritime:

"Notice that before Dr. Thompson makes his startling admissions, I state quite clearly in pargraph three above,"

"The Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations show the importance of this. Walt Thompson admitted that Danny Shelton had essentially misled him regarding the serious nature, wide extent, and recent timing of those allegations, and he also admitted that both he and the 3ABN board had taken Danny's word for it without doing their own independent investigation."

"But what I have proven conclusively is that Walt claims that Danny told him things that were contrary to the facts. "

"Thus we have Walt admitting that Danny told him something that was false"

"The only person that told me anything about Danny being guilty of a cover up was Walt."

(This last one is also evidence that you are willing to put your assumptions and conclusions into other peoples mouths as though they were their words.)

This is not an isolated incident as you did the same thing with Danny over on Maritime turning the following words he wrote to you in an email:

"She told me that she was going to go lay out by the swimming pool. I decided to go look in her car for any evidence to support the PI's claim that had not been mailed to me yet. Our car door was locked. Yes, I'm aware that she claims it was her car but I have proof that it is titled to both she and I even unto this day. She didn't apparently remember that I too had keys to this Toyota Sequoia. I opened the car door and opened the glove compartment. What did I see? Yes, I saw the same watch described to me by the PI.

...

I then pulled the picture of the watch from underneath my shirt and showed it to her at which point she yelled out, 'I can't believe you broke into my car and got into my personal belongings! This is abuse!' "

Into the following statement:

"Danny claimed he broke into Linda's Toyota Sequoia."

As Alethia points out, rather than addressing the problem here, you attempt to divert the discussion in other directions.

If you are willing to attribute words to individuals you are "investigating" that they clearly have not said. Then what questions should arise in regards to your investigative methods?

- fhb

[Bystander]

[quote name='Bystander' date='Jan 7 2007, 02:47 PM' post='168151']
I am a new addition to this forum. Not because I want to be but because I cannot keep silent. Someone told me about this websight but I couldn't comprehend it so checked it out myself. My first thoughts were that this was a nice SDA page. I began to scroll down to check out the headings. Beliefs of the Adventist church, activities, family topics, meetings being held and then shockingly "the 3ABN saga!!! I cannot begin to explain my shock and shame as I began to read what has been written here. The accusations, arguments, name calling and gossip has made me ashamed to be a Seventh Day Adventist. That a supposedly christian web site would host this garbage, and some of these people's comments is without excuse. this "forum" goes against any and all biblical principles and moral ethics. I have read of an "investigation" of 3ABN and it's people by someone named Pickle and Gailon. They have shown private emails, made info from private calls public, have insisted on answers from the president of the network, Danny Shelton, and have made statements that they would like to clear 3ABN if only they could get straight and clear answers. Well, I have some questions of my own. Who are Pickle and Gailon? What authority do they have to question and investigate anything or anybody? Who, if anyone, put them in charge and gave them the right to dig into anyone's personal lives? The old saying fits here, "who died and left them in charge." Do they have special credentials that I am ignorant of. I have seen even legal topics explained and assessed and told what this or that means in that instance like we were children and they were law proffessors. I have read continually their opinions on something they have read or heard and then stated as fact. As in, " Joe didn't answer Mary's question so obviously this means that Joe is trying to hide the fact that he did ect. ect... My second question would be " are we as a people that hungry for gossip and dirt that we would spend hours on end not only reading this drivel but adding our little 2 cent comments as to the guilt or innocence of people that we have never met and know nothing about except for the pictures that have been painted here. Worse than our comments is our judgements. We are making judgements here that are destroying people, families, and a world wide ministry on gossip, discussions and heresay by people that have no more power or authority that you or I.
This divorce that I keep reading about between Danny & Linda Shelton means what..... Howmany of you readers out there have been divorced. How many of you have had a "bitter" divorce? How many of you that answered yes to those 2 questions would like it posted and publisized for all the world to see? Now add to that the rumors and "tall tales" that were told on you from your ex's side then combine that with the "tall tales" that came from your side against your ex then multiply that tenfold by the time it got retold 100 hundred times and what you will come up with is the "black sda web site of "the saga of 3ABN."
Do the people involved headlong in this, not have lives of their own? Do they not have problems of their own that they should be working on? Obviously that have big problems or they wouldn't be wasting time destroying everything and everybody in their path.
I have read several excerpts about accusations made by a church of God minister against one of the Shelton Brothers. According to this forum that makes it gospel. The irony of this is that normall we as Adventists turn up our nose at another denomination, especially the minister of another denomination and usually give them no credibility whatsoever. Now because statements from him give us the "supposed dirt" we long to hear, he has all the crediblity in the world. What a laugh on our own people.
I understand that both Shelton parents are dead, the father for over 30 years, and yet, accusations, harsh comments and judgements have flew over the internet against people that not only you have never met, but are deceased and not here to defend themselves. This is a sin against God. 3 or 4 people are relaying horrible things on the world wide internet and say that they got some info from someone else who heard it from someone else and so...it must be true and fact.The way I see it, these people that are in the limelight are victims not the enemy. Just as movie stars are attacked and lied and gossiped about in the secular world, so it is with the people that have been involved in the works of 3ABN. In our adventist denomination they were the "stars" and we, we are the writers of the "Enquirer" and "The Star" gossip magazines. We are starved for every little morsel on these people's lives whether it be true or false. We have a secret jealous need to take them down because they had some popularity and were in the limelight. How sad that we overlook the fact that they were in the limelight because they were spreading the gospel to all the world.
People on this forum,....how low have we fallen to be pulled into this blasphemous nonsense? If 3ABN is having problems my guess would be that most of it is from what is being written here and on other sites. The bible tells us that we are to turn a deaf ear to gossip, rumors and assumptions and instead pray for the people in question that may be going through a difficult time. Think dear people how many of these problems might have already been resolved if we would have spent as much time on our knees in behalf of all of these people as we have spent attacking, discussing and arguing over them on this web site.
A Bystander

The facts I stated have nothing to do with who is right and who is wrong which is what you all keep going back to. It is the accountability that we have as christians not to crucify others that we literally know nothing about except what "we have heard." No one answered that because to argue would be to argue with what is plainly in the word. Hey, don't kill he messenger.

[caribbean sda]

I am a new addition to this forum. Not because I want to be but because I cannot keep silent. Someone told me about this websight but I couldn't comprehend it so checked it out myself. My first thoughts were that this was a nice SDA page. I began to scroll down to check out the headings. Beliefs of the Adventist church, activities, family topics, meetings being held and then shockingly "the 3ABN saga!!! I cannot begin to explain my shock and shame as I began to read what has been written here. A Bystander

...but like the moth to a flame, you won't stay away. Welcome to BSDA

[Pickle]

Fallible, you come across as if all you want to do is argue.

"That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought" (Is. 29:21).

You know what I meant, and my meaning was crystal clear. And you also know why what was said got said the way it was said.

The point regarding Danny's claim was about what make and model the car was, not the word "broke," and you know it. And you also know that I admitted my error in not wording it more like, "Danny claimed that he entered Linda's Toyota Sequoia without her permission," which would be entirely true, and which some would say means almost the same as "broke into."

You will also recall that you too made an admission of error, an admission of falsely accusing me for posting a reply from Danny, when I had never gotten a reply from Danny at all. When I pointed out that you were mistaken in something and that you needed to read eveything again, you insisted that you were correct and continued arguing, more than once I think. But finally you did admit your error, and I thanked you for that.

And since you made that admission, like I made mine, I haven't brought it up again. Now, why have you brought this up again over here?

[Bystander]

I am thankful you made the comparison. Just as a flame is dangerous to a moth, so are the things that are being said here a danger to our denomination and christians in general.

[caribbean sda]

I am thankful you made the comparison. Just as a flame is dangerous to a moth, so are the things that are being said here a danger to our denomination and christians in general.

People have a right to express their opinions and that's what we do here...

[PeacefulBe]

Bystander! you are completely correct in what you have stated. Now be prepared to be attacked for saying it--or totally ignored.

Seems I remember something about a verse in the Bible saying something about "itching ears."

What is worse Bystander is that this is a PUBLIC forum--anyone can come on here and read all that is said on here. Sad isn't it.

Everybody has the right to express their opinions here on BSDA. That's the way that Calvin, in true wisdom, has set it up.

It's true that this is a public forum. Just keep in mind that 3abn is also public, far more so than this little section of BlackSDA.com.

[PrincessDrRe]

Bystander..... BSDA aint for everyone... perhaps you would do will to stand somewhere else...

I agree.

Take what you like...don't take what you don't like. Jes like TV - you don't have to look at it all.

With that being said....

"How many of you proponents/opponents would allow Tommy Shelton to babysit your children/grandchildren/nieces & nephews?"

[Pickle]

Bystander,

Come up with another way to get resolution to all the problems, and I'm all ears.

Speak honestly. When you say, "we literally know nothing about except what 'we have heard,' " it may be true of you, but it isn't true of everyone.

... the things that are being said here a danger to our denomination ....

That is exactly and precisely why I have spoken up.

This post has been edited by Pickle: Jan 7 2007, 03:49 PM