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[eye witness]

Do you remember what happened to Miriam?
How about “but the false report of the unfaithful spies was accepted, and through it the whole congregation were deluded.” PP Chapter 34. Numbers 13.
“The unfaithful spies were loud in denunciation of Caleb and Joshua and the cry was raised to stone them.”
Oh, but there is more!
“The Glory of His Presence, like a flaming light, illuminated the tabernacle. All the people beheld the signal of the Lord. A mightier one than they, had reveled Himself, and none dared continue their resistance. The spies who brought the evil report crouched terror-stricken, and with bated breath sought their tents.” . . . . . . . .
“As ye have spoken in Mine ears, so will I do to you: your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness, and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, for twenty years old and upward. . .. .
“When Moses made known to the people the divine decision, their rage was changed to mourning. They knew that their punishment was just. The ten unfaithful spies, divinely smitten by the plague, perished before the eyes of all Israel; and in their fate the people read their own doom.”
PP. Chapter 34

How about the Rebellion of Korah!
Have you forgotten that we serve the same God, today.

Malachi 3:6 “For I am the Lord , I change not;. . . .

Moses speaking to the Korah and all his company:
“DEPART I PRAY YOU, FROM THE TENTS OF THESE WICKED MEN, AND TOUCH NOTHING OF THEIRS, LEAST YE BE CONSUMED IN ALL THEIR SINS.” Numbers 16:26

What happened?
Numbers 16:31 “And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them: and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from amount the congregation.”

Good reading for those of you who do not know truth, observe here by curiosity or just love the way to destruction.
Patriarchs and Prophets, Chapter 35

We serve the same God!!!!!!

Proverbs 6:16-19 “These six things doth the Lord hate: yes, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies and he that soweth discord among brethren.”

What is your response to this, more of the same?

We serve a loving God. He is full of Love but it is presumption to think that His Love will cover the consequences of Sin.

You claim to be the “Trumpet Sounders”. OK. Are you sure? These individuals above were very sure of themselves as well!

[Bystander]

Do you remember what happened to Miriam?
How about “but the false report of the unfaithful spies was accepted, and through it the whole congregation were deluded.” PP Chapter 34. Numbers 13.
“The unfaithful spies were loud in denunciation of Caleb and Joshua and the cry was raised to stone them.”
Oh, but there is more!
“The Glory of His Presence, like a flaming light, illuminated the tabernacle. All the people beheld the signal of the Lord. A mightier one than they, had reveled Himself, and none dared continue their resistance. The spies who brought the evil report crouched terror-stricken, and with bated breath sought their tents.” . . . . . . . .
“As ye have spoken in Mine ears, so will I do to you: your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness, and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, for twenty years old and upward. . .. .
“When Moses made known to the people the divine decision, their rage was changed to mourning. They knew that their punishment was just. The ten unfaithful spies, divinely smitten by the plague, perished before the eyes of all Israel; and in their fate the people read their own doom.”
PP. Chapter 34

How about the Rebellion of Korah!
Have you forgotten that we serve the same God, today.

Malachi 3:6 “For I am the Lord , I change not;. . . .

Moses speaking to the Korah and all his company:
“DEPART I PRAY YOU, FROM THE TENTS OF THESE WICKED MEN, AND TOUCH NOTHING OF THEIRS, LEAST YE BE CONSUMED IN ALL THEIR SINS.” Numbers 16:26

What happened?
Numbers 16:31 “And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them: and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from amount the congregation.”

Good reading for those of you who do not know truth, observe here by curiosity or just love the way to destruction.
Patriarchs and Prophets, Chapter 35

We serve the same God!!!!!!

Proverbs 6:16-19 “These six things doth the Lord hate: yes, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies and he that soweth discord among brethren.”

What is your response to this, more of the same?

We serve a loving God. He is full of Love but it is presumption to think that His Love will cover the consequences of Sin.

You claim to be the “Trumpet Sounders”. OK. Are you sure? These individuals above were very sure of themselves as well!

Eyewitness, what a wonderful comparison you have made. The similarities are frightening. Those that read your post with an honest heart will see and understand
bystander

[Snoopy]

Do you remember what happened to Miriam?
How about “but the false report of the unfaithful spies was accepted, and through it the whole congregation were deluded.” PP Chapter 34. Numbers 13.
“The unfaithful spies were loud in denunciation of Caleb and Joshua and the cry was raised to stone them.”
Oh, but there is more!
“The Glory of His Presence, like a flaming light, illuminated the tabernacle. All the people beheld the signal of the Lord. A mightier one than they, had reveled Himself, and none dared continue their resistance. The spies who brought the evil report crouched terror-stricken, and with bated breath sought their tents.” . . . . . . . .
“As ye have spoken in Mine ears, so will I do to you: your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness, and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, for twenty years old and upward. . .. .
“When Moses made known to the people the divine decision, their rage was changed to mourning. They knew that their punishment was just. The ten unfaithful spies, divinely smitten by the plague, perished before the eyes of all Israel; and in their fate the people read their own doom.”
PP. Chapter 34

How about the Rebellion of Korah!
Have you forgotten that we serve the same God, today.

Malachi 3:6 “For I am the Lord , I change not;. . . .

Moses speaking to the Korah and all his company:
“DEPART I PRAY YOU, FROM THE TENTS OF THESE WICKED MEN, AND TOUCH NOTHING OF THEIRS, LEAST YE BE CONSUMED IN ALL THEIR SINS.” Numbers 16:26

What happened?
Numbers 16:31 “And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them: and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from amount the congregation.”

Good reading for those of you who do not know truth, observe here by curiosity or just love the way to destruction.
Patriarchs and Prophets, Chapter 35

We serve the same God!!!!!!

Proverbs 6:16-19 “These six things doth the Lord hate: yes, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies and he that soweth discord among brethren.”

What is your response to this, more of the same?

We serve a loving God. He is full of Love but it is presumption to think that His Love will cover the consequences of Sin.

You claim to be the “Trumpet Sounders”. OK. Are you sure? These individuals above were very sure of themselves as well!

Hi Eyewitness,

I really do appreciate the thoughts you have shared. I am not in either "camp" so to say, but I am curious about one thing. What sermon do you have prepared for those alleged abuse victims? What do we say to them in regards to their feelings and their salvation? Should they just be ignored? This entire mess is really quite troubling.

[sonshineonme]

Am I the only one that noticed these three are not on at the same time? Or is that a faulty observation?

Hi Eyewitness,

I really do appreciate the thoughts you have shared. I am not in either "camp" so to say, but I am curious about one thing. What sermon do you have prepared for those alleged abuse victims? What do we say to them in regards to their feelings and their salvation? Should they just be ignored? This entire mess is really quite troubling.

Yes, they are nice words, but it is very very clear, "they" don't care about those you mentioned. That should be a clue, huh?

This post has been edited by sonshineonme: Jan 22 2007, 12:33 PM

[daylily]

sonshineonme, I agree. I've just been sitting here puzzling over this. If Joe Smith is as kind, caring and loving as he would like us to think, based on his pleas, why does he not feel any sorrow or sympathy for the Clem brothers or Linda? Many BSDA posters have said they pray for the Sheltons, etc. I honestly don't understand why he/she does not answer the questions asked of him/her. It seems to me that if he/she could honestly vindicate Tommy and/or Danny that he/she would do so rather than just rebuke bsda posters.

I have no eye witness accounts to give, no first hand experiences but I really don't think the Clem brothers would lie about something like this. And I really don't think Pickle would counterfeit letters and post them here. So what are we left to believe?

Joe, Eye Witness, Bystander..what are you trying to do? Is it a kind and loving thing to let people destroy themselves and others? I do see some sarcasm and unkind words here sometimes but for the most part I see folks trying to figure out what the truth is. What is your ultimate goal? Tommy's and Danny's (and others) salvation or their destruction?

If I remember correctly, Gailon Joy said if the 3ABN board did not respond to his findings within a certain time period, that he would go public with his findings. They didn't and he did. Why didn't the board respond? Did they want him to go public? Is he to be blamed for doing what he said he would do?

[PeacefulBe]

Eyewitness, what a wonderful comparison you have made. The similarities are frightening. Those that read your post with an honest heart will see and understand
bystander

Bystander, eye witness, Joe, Teresa it is frustrating for us here who have a burden to bring truth to light about dangerous behavior at 3abn, who bring forth scripture and SOP passages to clearly show God's support of our endeavors, and who DO look on you and your comrads with tender hearts full of the desire to see you step away from the denial you are clouded in, it is frustrating to see that you don't have eyes to see or ears to hear that reality that we are exposing! Whatever your motives have been to stay tucked away in the world you see through your Shelton-colored glasses I hope and pray that you will someday understand and walk out of the darkness into His marvelous light.

I know that some here have gotten cynical in their reactions and that sometimes there has been bantering about appearances. (I happen to think that Pastor Lomacang is a lovely man, ears, hair and all)

It is unfortunate that you have chosen to focus on those petty things and not the larger picture of what happens to young people whose trust is betrayed by their own shepherd. How does this affect the Lord's Ministry? Especially when the very president of that ministry has helped to cover up the alleged crimes and intimidate the victims into silence. Is this what Paul had in mind of how to deal with sinners? Somehow, as God and His angels are standing there at 3abn, I doubt that He is much pleased when he sees this behavior in His representatives.

Just know this, I and others will be praying that you do open your eyes and ears to the truth and then do what is within your power to rectify the wrongs instead of helping to hide them.

And, Eye witness, as far as your warning about what happened to Miriam, are you certain you are giving that warning to the right group? I think not. It might be prudent make a dash for the doors if the ground around 3abn starts shaking for I notice several things in Proverbs 6:16-19 that indicate that you and your cohorts better fit the characteristics of the unfaithful spies.

Proverbs 6:16-19 “These six things doth the Lord hate: yes, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies and he that soweth discord among brethren.”

[lookin4truth]

Do you remember what happened to Miriam?
How about “but the false report of the unfaithful spies was accepted, and through it the whole congregation were deluded.” PP Chapter 34. Numbers 13.
“The unfaithful spies were loud in denunciation of Caleb and Joshua and the cry was raised to stone them.”
Oh, but there is more!
“The Glory of His Presence, like a flaming light, illuminated the tabernacle. All the people beheld the signal of the Lord. A mightier one than they, had reveled Himself, and none dared continue their resistance. The spies who brought the evil report crouched terror-stricken, and with bated breath sought their tents.” . . . . . . . .
“As ye have spoken in Mine ears, so will I do to you: your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness, and

I don't recall reading in any of the passages you have sited where Moses was molesting children, and that Joshua or Caleb covered for him.

[Johann]

Bystander, eye witness, Joe, Teresa it is frustrating for us here who have a burden to bring truth to light about dangerous behavior at 3abn, who bring forth scripture and SOP passages to clearly show God's support of our endeavors, and who DO look on you and your comrads with tender hearts full of the desire to see you step away from the denial you are clouded in, it is frustrating to see that you don't have eyes to see or ears to hear that reality that we are exposing! Whatever your motives have been to stay tucked away in the world you see through your Shelton-colored glasses I hope and pray that you will someday understand and walk out of the darkness into His marvelous light.

I know that some here have gotten cynical in their reactions and that sometimes there has been bantering about appearances. (I happen to think that Pastor Lomacang is a lovely man, ears, hair and all)

It is unfortunate that you have chosen to focus on those petty things and not the larger picture of what happens to young people whose trust is betrayed by their own shepherd. How does this affect the Lord's Ministry? Especially when the very president of that ministry has helped to cover up the alleged crimes and intimidate the victims into silence. Is this what Paul had in mind of how to deal with sinners? Somehow, as God and His angels are standing there at 3abn, I doubt that He is much pleased when he sees this behavior in His representatives.

Just know this, I and others will be praying that you do open your eyes and ears to the truth and then do what is within your power to rectify the wrongs instead of helping to hide them.

And, Eye witness, as far as your warning about what happened to Miriam, are you certain you are giving that warning to the right group? I think not. It might be prudent make a dash for the doors if the ground around 3abn starts shaking for I notice several things in Proverbs 6:16-19 that indicate that you and your cohorts better fit the characteristics of the unfaithful spies.

Proverbs 6:16-19 “These six things doth the Lord hate: yes, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies and he that soweth discord among brethren.”

On MSDAOL Danny Shelton is quoted saying the Lord has shown him that Satan is the god of details. Is this why those details are so important to Danny's friends?

[princessdi]

Ok?!!! This is just another example of comparing Danny to Moses, John the Baptist, etc. And they are wondering why we think they are sent by Danny...............I'll lay ya' odds Joe is on the "Pastorial Staff" at 3ABN. Who was it that preached a sermon comparing Danny to Moses?

[eye witness]

Hi Eyewitness,

I really do appreciate the thoughts you have shared. I am not in either "camp" so to say, but I am curious about one thing. What sermon do you have prepared for those alleged abuse victims?
Speaking as a victim, the Word of The Lord is healing, and will allow forgivness. We must me able to forgive so our Father in heaven can forgive our trespasses. There is not always healing for anyone that has truly been violated, Immediately. Yet, it IS POSSIBLE. What many do not understand is compassion does not bring healing. What is does when so much pity is involved is keep the wound open, cause humiliation and embarrassment, and keep the person from moving forward. Really not understandable to some on here, For obviously they are not victims.
What do we say to them in regards to their feelings and their salvation?
Victims need to hear that Jesus still loves them and they can still be people without the offense hanging in their profile. People who have been abused, HURT!!!
Should they just be ignored?
If one is a victim they will clearly seek help when they choose. Until then we don't need to paint a picture for their hurting. When we are put into their presences then we can help with the ministry of healing.
This entire mess is really quite troubling.
I agree and we are to be very careful with our words. These documents of these alleged victims are posted but again if they are not going to the authorities, do they want this all over the web. I feel for all parties involved here. Including those who feel they have been called to sound the trumpet.

Am I the only one that noticed these three are not on at the same time? Or is that a faulty observation?
Yes, they are nice words, but it is very very clear, "they" don't care about those you mentioned. That should be a clue, huh?

sonshineonme,
Obviously you have no idea of my feelings, motives or anything about me. What you do show to me and to others is your heart.

[inga]

Ok?!!! This is just another example of comparing Danny to Moses, John the Baptist, etc. And they are wondering why we think they are sent by Danny...............I'll lay ya' odds Joe is on the "Pastorial Staff" at 3ABN. Who was it that preached a sermon comparing Danny to Moses?

PrincessDi, I sure wouldn't want to wager against you in this.

This post has been edited by inga: Jan 22 2007, 03:39 PM

[eye witness]

sonshineonme, I agree. I've just been sitting here puzzling over this. If Joe Smith is as kind, caring and loving as he would like us to think, based on his pleas, why does he not feel any sorrow or sympathy for the Clem brothers or Linda? Many BSDA posters have said they pray for the Sheltons, etc. I honestly don't understand why he/she does not answer the questions asked of him/her. It seems to me that if he/she could honestly vindicate Tommy and/or Danny that he/she would do so rather than just rebuke bsda posters.

I have no eye witness accounts to give, no first hand experiences but I really don't think the Clem brothers would lie about something like this. And I really don't think Pickle would counterfeit letters and post them here. So what are we left to believe?

Joe, Eye Witness, Bystander..what are you trying to do? Is it a kind and loving thing to let people destroy themselves and others? I do see some sarcasm and unkind words here sometimes but for the most part I see folks trying to figure out what the truth is. What is your ultimate goal? Tommy's and Danny's (and others) salvation or their destruction?

If I remember correctly, Gailon Joy said if the 3ABN board did not respond to his findings within a certain time period, that he would go public with his findings. They didn't and he did. Why didn't the board respond? Did they want him to go public? Is he to be blamed for doing what he said he would do?

There are some facts about Linda that I have not observed on this chat site. Facts that personally I can account for that Linda is doing, what Linda wants to do. Nothing here is a mystery for Linda. Linda had every opportunity to reconcile with Danny. I've saw the documents and know. Linda is doing what Linda wants to do. So people, let her move on with her life. She was clearly told that one day her seat would be filled. Not with a worn out dish rag but with a possible beauty queen, who can be as much used by the Lord as Linda was. She refused to acknowledge this and continued her stubborn position of trying to get Danny to make a public statement with the views of 3ABN before she would come home to him. (I would quote her but it would be damaging to quote the words she used in regard to herself.) Linda refused to seperate her marriage with Danny, and her job at 3ABN.
As Calvin has stated before the truth we have so far is this:
Danny and Linda divorced
Linda's gone (by her own choosing I might add)
Danny remains at 3ABN. (by God's choosing I might add)

Linda has great opportunity to be a writer, she will not be forced to be a burger flipper, or a waitress she has potential to do much. I believe Johann has stated on this site she is speaking at churches, she has her ministry.
Let God determine if the grounds are biblical.
Let the courts decided if these people are truly victims, let Linda get on with her life and let Danny get on with his and MOST of all let the Ministry of God be the ministry of God and lets don't Give God Instructions. If we want to help then show up for duty not as bosses but as humble servants.

What should 3ABN do? Just as they are moving forward reach souls for Jesus. Ignoring all the threats and chatter of people who could be doing the same but choose not.

Bystander, eye witness, Joe, Teresa it is frustrating for us here who have a burden to bring truth to light about dangerous behavior at 3abn, who bring forth scripture and SOP passages to clearly show God's support of our endeavors, and who DO look on you and your comrads with tender hearts full of the desire to see you step away from the denial you are clouded in, it is frustrating to see that you don't have eyes to see or ears to hear that reality that we are exposing! Whatever your motives have been to stay tucked away in the world you see through your Shelton-colored glasses I hope and pray that you will someday understand and walk out of the darkness into His marvelous light.

I know that some here have gotten cynical in their reactions and that sometimes there has been bantering about appearances. (I happen to think that Pastor Lomacang is a lovely man, ears, hair and all)

It is unfortunate that you have chosen to focus on those petty things and not the larger picture of what happens to young people whose trust is betrayed by their own shepherd. How does this affect the Lord's Ministry? Especially when the very president of that ministry has helped to cover up the alleged crimes and intimidate the victims into silence. Is this what Paul had in mind of how to deal with sinners? Somehow, as God and His angels are standing there at 3abn, I doubt that He is much pleased when he sees this behavior in His representatives.

Just know this, I and others will be praying that you do open your eyes and ears to the truth and then do what is within your power to rectify the wrongs instead of helping to hide them.

And, Eye witness, as far as your warning about what happened to Miriam, are you certain you are giving that warning to the right group? I think not. It might be prudent make a dash for the doors if the ground around 3abn starts shaking for I notice several things in Proverbs 6:16-19 that indicate that you and your cohorts better fit the characteristics of the unfaithful spies.

Proverbs 6:16-19 “These six things doth the Lord hate: yes, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies and he that soweth discord among brethren.”

Do pray for me. I will accept your prayers. As you kneel tonight please don't think of these words you have said to me for we all want to pray. God's Will Be Done!

[Clay]

yeah right Eye witness you saw the documents.... sure ya did... yep... alrighty then....

[eye witness]

I don't recall reading in any of the passages you have sited where Moses was molesting children, and that Joshua or Caleb covered for him.

No, but it sure speaks of a group of people who molest/abuse that which they feel is their right. You know, and I bet some of them did it with a sincere heart but it really didn't matter did it. They were all punished.

On MSDAOL Danny Shelton is quoted saying the Lord has shown him that Satan is the god of details. Is this why those details are so important to Danny's friends?

Details my friend have been splashed all over this forum. This is the most exciting thing that can talk about. Instead of the testimony of God in their own lives.
Details that may or may not be true. I guess to them it don't matter as long as they are entertained.

Ok?!!! This is just another example of comparing Danny to Moses, John the Baptist, etc. And they are wondering why we think they are sent by Danny...............I'll lay ya' odds Joe is on the "Pastorial Staff" at 3ABN. Who was it that preached a sermon comparing Danny to Moses?

I will let see how did you say that lay ya' odds Joe is on the side of Grace and Mercy. Do you know anything about that?

yeah right Eye witness you saw the documents.... sure ya did... yep... alrighty then....

You know it Clay! I have already produced one document that Gailon used as some sort of serious proof to try to put a twist of credibility to him.
Which by the way is another proof in itself that Linda is full aware of all this on here. She is doing what she wants to do.

[princessdi]

You don't have to lay me about about this. I totally agree. He is for grace and mercy for Danny and all others who have yet to admit their wrongs repent, and rectify(where applicable). And it is being extended to them as they are still breathing giving them opportunity to repent and change their direction. Once again in, there is none for the alledged victims of Tommy Shelton(we know have two letters from victims?). He should have been removed until a thorough investigation was done. If he was innocnet then put him back, but if he was found guilty remove him permenently. You always err on the side of caution. There is none for Linda, who got shafted. I can't believe that any of you really truly bought that"spiritual adultery" claim, and then the promises of "evidence" that have never surfaced, not even in court when the Guam quickie divorce was contested. I mean that would have been the time, don'tcha' think? We ain't even mentioning the money. That was a joke.

I now many of you have never seen a movie called Diary of a Mad Black Woman, in fact, I know the title is probably intimidating enough to keep you from ever watching. But the story is really about a woman who is mistreated of her housband of 18 years. If you get a chance, please at least view the first 15 mins of this movie. It just ocurred to me the Danny did every this man did to his wife, except packing all of her stuff and dragging her out of the house kicking and screaming with the other woman looking on. I think we all agree Danny and 3ABN Board could have handled things a lot better.

God's grace and mercy is available to all, yours is conditional.

I will let see how did you say that lay ya' odds Joe is on the side of Grace and Mercy. Do you know anything about that?