The Judgment Options

[Watchman]

Matt 12:36
"But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment,For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
John 5:22
"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed ALL judgment unto the Son."
"Matt. 5:37
"But let your communication be, Yea, yea;Nay,nay; for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."
Acts 5:38,39
"And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone:for if this counsel or this work be of men , it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight AGAINST God."
1Sam 16:7
"for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart."

I do not know who is or who is not guilty in this 3abn dilemma. The only ones I know for sure that ARE guilty are the ones who are posting and permitting the posting of these disgraceful websites that are defaming the work of God. The scripture commands us NOT to go to court with unbelievers, and tells us it is better to be defrauded (1 Cor. 6). This is because the cause of God was not to be put to shame before unbelievers. The internet reaches worldwide. How great will be the judgment of God against YOU for this. God knows how to righteously judge, and He knows how to discipline people. He does not need you. Woe unto you all.

[Clay]

thank you for your comments, welcome to BSDA. I see this is your first post since joining.....

2Tim 2:23 But refuse the foolish and uninstructed questionings, knowing that they generate quarrels.

you have a good day.....

[Seraphim7]

...Woe unto you...

I too welcome you to BlackSDA


Eze 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Eze 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
Eze 3:20 Again, When a righteous [man] doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Eze 3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous [man], that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.


And, suggest the following - Physician heal thyself.

[Clay]

I am asking all of our experienced members to join me in welcoming Watchman and help bring her up to speed as to how we do things here.... She is new and probably means well, but at this point is under-informed.... Let's try to make her stay a pleasant one (read between the lines, that means no blasting her out of the water)..... thank you family....

This post has been edited by Clay: Feb 10 2007, 09:12 AM

[Green Cochoa]

LUKE
18:1 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;
18:2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
18:3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
18:4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
18:5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.
18:6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.

Hmmm.... can we say, persistence pays? Jesus seems to be commending this woman for going so determinedly to the judge.

JOHN (Jesus' words)
7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Do you suppose He is saying we should never judge? Or simply that we should judge well...

JOHN (Jesus' words)
8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

Now, if "ALL judgment" is committed to the Son, and if the Son says "I judge no man," we have an apparent discrepancy. Since God does not lie, the discrepancy must lie in our own assumptions. Best to be careful in interpreting these issues, that we speak not from the abundance of our ignorance, knowing that our wisdom is foolishness with God.

Welcome to the forum! I always appreciate those who find relevant scriptures to support their views. And, yes, I believe we should remember that our every word is noted in the record books of Heaven.

God bless!

This post has been edited by Green Cochoa: Feb 10 2007, 09:11 AM

[Clay]

Thank you Greenie for exercising patience while you rightly divided the word.....

[vanburton]

Since this thread has thus far largely consisted of Bible quotations, I figured to add a couple of more.

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
Matthew 7:20

The plural form of fruit is used here in context of "their".

Galatians 5:22 begins, "But the fruit (singular) of the Spirit is . . ."

If one fruit is missing, could it be that all the others are made of none effect (the "if one commandment is broken, all are broken" principle)?

[Clay]

Since this thread has thus far largely consisted of Bible quotations, I figured to add a couple of more.

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
Matthew 7:20

The plural form of fruit is used here in context of "their".

Galatians 5:22 begins, "But the fruit (singular) of the Spirit is . . ."

If one fruit is missing, could it be that all the others are made of none effect (the "if one commandment is broken, all are broken" principle)?

Interesting question Vanburton..... and welcome to BSDA.....

[PaperTigers]

vanburton & Watchman

pull up a seat you'll soon find out this is a pretty awesome group of people!

[Watchman]

Isa. 47:3,10 "Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man. For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou has said, None seeth me, Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me."
Rev. 3:18, 19 "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore and repent."
1 Peter 2:17 "Honour ALL men. Love the brotherhood. FEAR GOD. Honour the king."
Phil. 2:2-5, 14, 15 "Fulfill ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Leet nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind LET EACH ESTEEM OTHER BETTER THAN THEMSELVES. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus....Do all things without murmurings and disputings; That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world."
Matt. 7:1-3 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote which is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"
Romans 2:23,24 "Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law, dishonourest thou God? For the NAME of GOD is blasphemed among the Gentiles, THROUGH YOU.'
Rev. 2:5 "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."
Isa. 65:5 "Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me: for I am HOLIER THAN THOU. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day."
Prov. 6:12,14-16,19 "A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth. Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord. Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy. These six things doth the Lord HATE: yea, seven are an ABOMINATION unto Him....HE THAT SOWETH DISCORD AMONG BRETHREN."
There is Someone higher than the GC to consider.
Gen. 16:13
"Thou God seest me."

[Clay]

thank you for those passages Watchman.... I suppose you have something to say? I am trying to hear it but you are quoting scripture... out of context btw, but we can deal with that later...

Would you be kind enough to unpack your latest post and explain how you feel it is applicable? thanks and have a blessed sabbath...

[Richard Sherwin]

Watchman, if you've not done so I would encourage you to wade through the pinned areas as well as spending a few days simply reading the topics here before you jump into the deep end of the pool. Sharks do abound

Richard

[Panama_Pete]

I do not know who is or who is not guilty in this 3abn dilemma. The only ones I know for sure that ARE guilty are the ones who are posting and permitting the posting of these disgraceful websites that are defaming the work of God. The scripture commands us NOT to go to court with unbelievers, and tells us it is better to be defrauded (1 Cor. 6). This is because the cause of God was not to be put to shame before unbelievers. The internet reaches worldwide. How great will be the judgment of God against YOU for this. God knows how to righteously judge, and He knows how to discipline people. He does not need you. Woe unto you all.

Watchman,

Welcome to BlackSDA.

I look forward to reading your posts in the future. Consider Richard Sherwin's suggestion that you read the pinned items at the top of the 3ABN section.

You said, "I do not know...." Therefore, it is important for us to be kind and considerate to you as you continue your journey into understanding the issues involved.

Once again, welcome to BlackSDA.

Best Wishes,

Pete

Since this thread has thus far largely consisted of Bible quotations, I figured to add a couple of more.

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
Matthew 7:20

The plural form of fruit is used here in context of "their".

Galatians 5:22 begins, "But the fruit (singular) of the Spirit is . . ."

If one fruit is missing, could it be that all the others are made of none effect (the "if one commandment is broken, all are broken" principle)?

Wecome to BSDA, Vanburton.

Best Wishes,

Pete.

[Noahswife]

Welcome Watchman and Vanburton.

I hope that today your Sabbath experience has resulted in a renewed closeness with your Creator.

I recommend that you look around at different topics other than just the 3ABN area and get to know the people here. I do not believe it is possible to have an informed opinion or to be able to participate in a meaningful and informed way about what is posted here without doing that together with reading what has already been posted.

You should feel free to ask sincere and informed questions of any of the posters and I recommend that you consider doing so via PMs until you are familiar with what has previously been discussed. If you do not know how to use that function since you are new here, ask an Admin and they will show you how.

I suggest that you use the PM method at first because many questions that you will/should have are already answered in these posts.

I am here because I have been extended that privilege and appreciate the administration's allowing each of us the right to express our opinion in an assertive but preferably non aggressive way.

I believe that attacking another individual's relationship with God is never acceptable behavior no matter how different their opinion may be than your own. In my opinion doing so dressed in the armor of anonymity that this forum provides you is the behavior of a coward.

So please feel free to join us in open and informed discussions. Please feel free to use the "I" word in expressing opinions. I have had to learn to do that. It is a style of communication that works better than telling people they are wrong and closing down all communication.

nw

This post has been edited by Noahswife: Feb 10 2007, 03:53 PM

[Bystander]

I believe that attacking another individual's relationship with God is never acceptable behavior no matter how different their opinion may be than your own. In my opinion doing so dressed in the armor of anonymity that this forum provides you is the behavior of a coward.

nw


Nicely put nw. Welcome watchman and vanburton. The only thing I could add would be that it is not right to attack another individuals relationship with God...UNLESS... It is Danny Shelton and many other 3abn personal. You will find here, That is the exception to the rule..Oh and one more thing...They will tell you repeatedly to go back and read the threads from the beginning so you will be intelligent enough to comment on these issues.


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