Definition Of Molestation, Penetration, Fondling, and Forced Sexual Viewing Options

[runner4him]

Beartrap,

I trust that there will soon come a point when every one of the abused will realize the truth in what you are saying, will find the confidence to stand up, brush themselves off and take the garbage can to the curb where it can be collected and taken to the dump where it belongs. There are those of us who are compelled and stand ready to help with the brushing off as well as making certain that the garbage is able to clearly see themselves and be seen by all others as the refuse that they have become.

There are many of us who will travel to court wherever to support any of those who will come forth. We will help in whatever way we can. Just start the action and we will line up!

[inga]

...and one of those is to "forgive" however do we expose that person to children...again...giving him the chance to re-offend?

Would you sacrifice your children? (This is a "general" YOU - NOT to be pointed at anyone.....)

A repentant pedophile knows that he should not be near children! If any supposedly repentant pedophile seeks to be near children, it's a sure sign he's not repentant and dangerous.

In a church not so far away, a repentant pedophils sought membership. He was accepted, but he is never alone around the church. He is even escorted to the bathroom, and he doesn't object.

[GrammieTana]

NAMBLA held a march in San Francisco some years back attempting to make a case for their cause. It didn't go over well. They got onto the news so we all got to see their lecherous faces.

As sick as some parts of society are, I believe it will take a long time before men like this will infect opinion enough to make such a behavior acceptable. Of course, with the growing number of dysfunctional family systems that conceal and protect sexual abusers out of a desperately misplaced loyalty, it won't be a surprise when damaged thinking permeates society so deeply that behavior such as this will become "normal".

This subject is of great interest to me. As a teenager, I was totally 'in love' with Richard Chamberlain who played 'Dr. Kildare' and then I was again drawn to his priest character in the book 'The Thornbirds.' It was after his stardom in 'Shogun' that my eyes were opened to his true character. He was being interviewed on 'The Tonight Show' and began talking about how wonderful the idea of 'love' between a man and a young boy was and said that this was just normal practice in Japan. I was absolutely shocked and sickened that this beautiful man whom I had admired for so long would bring this subject into the homes of the huge audience of 'The Tonight Show.' I do not recall the reaction of Johnny Carson with this subject, but it soon became very obvious that Chamberlain had shocked most of the nation and since then I have not seen much of him on a regular basis. I did watch his last attempt at a weekly television show and appreciated the program in a general sense, but it did not last more than a partial season and I believe that was because most people were not willing to give credence to his blatant lifestyle. He has lived in Hawaii for many years which was the setting for that last program. He has since written a book where he tells of his being homosexual since a very young boy and talks about his life in Hollywood where he was known as a homosexual to most of the producers, etc. And he also told of others who were either homosexual or bisexual, both males and females. Hollywood is rife with this aberrant lifestyle and it is sickening.

I am so glad that Rosie O'Donnell has been 'punished' so to speak, by right thinking people who have voiced their objections to the blatant promotion of her lifestyle and I was so proud of Elisabeth Hasselbeck for her courage in standing up to Rosie. It was a wonderful thing to see that bright young woman standing for her beliefs in a cogent, strongly worded defense of her position. Rosie couldn't take it and left that very day.

Someday I will comment on experiences with those who took advantage of a lonely young girl who was desperately trying to find people to help her to feel as if she existed in this world in a meaningful way after she was emotionally, and eventually sexually, abused by an older sibling. There are so many hurting people in this world! It just breaks my heart.


GrammieTana

[SoulEspresso]

If you (anybody here) had a relative or close friend you knew or suspected was abusing children or teenagers, what would you do?

[PeacefulBe]

If you (anybody here) had a relative or close friend you knew or suspected was abusing children or teenagers, what would you do?

I would report it to the proper authorites without delay. Then I would do everything in my power to see that the victim had all the support needed to heal and have a good life. Then I would do everything in my power to see that the abuser would face proper consequences, would have all of the proper modes of enforced accountability needed to remove any threat of future victims, that the abuser knew of God's continuing love and that, with true repentance, He could still forgive.

[runner4him]

I would report it to the proper authorites without delay. Then I would do everything in my power to see that the victim had all the support needed to heal and have a good life. Then I would do everything in my power to see that the abuser would face proper consequences, would have all of the proper modes of enforced accountability needed to remove any threat of future victims, that the abuser knew of God's continuing love and that, with true repentance, He could still forgive.

Amen PB. I could not agree more.

This is what all of us need to ask ourselves and then follow through if there is any indication of abuse no matter who is the abuser. It obviously is a major problem in our society and the abuser can be anywhere in any home or school or church. We just need to be alert to the signs and symptoms around us and have the courage to stand up and report it. Sometimes that still small voice is silenced just because it seems so unbelievable and out of character for that person we know. Remember we see the outward appearance while God looks at the heart. We need to listen to that still small voice!

I come from a large family where this was never a problem as far as my knowledge but I have met so many through the years who were victims in the best of families and my heart goes out to them and has made me more sensitive to all victims and the suffering they endured.

[Rosyroi]

This subject is of great interest to me. As a teenager, I was totally 'in love' with Richard Chamberlain who played 'Dr. Kildare' and then I was again drawn to his priest character in the book 'The Thornbirds.' It was after his stardom in 'Shogun' that my eyes were opened to his true character. He was being interviewed on 'The Tonight Show' and began talking about how wonderful the idea of 'love' between a man and a young boy was and said that this was just normal practice in Japan. I was absolutely shocked and sickened that this beautiful man whom I had admired for so long would bring this subject into the homes of the huge audience of 'The Tonight Show.' I do not recall the reaction of Johnny Carson with this subject, but it soon became very obvious that Chamberlain had shocked most of the nation and since then I have not seen much of him on a regular basis. I did watch his last attempt at a weekly television show and appreciated the program in a general sense, but it did not last more than a partial season and I believe that was because most people were not willing to give credence to his blatant lifestyle. He has lived in Hawaii for many years which was the setting for that last program. He has since written a book where he tells of his being homosexual since a very young boy and talks about his life in Hollywood where he was known as a homosexual to most of the producers, etc. And he also told of others who were either homosexual or bisexual, both males and females. Hollywood is rife with this aberrant lifestyle and it is sickening.

I am so glad that Rosie O'Donnell has been 'punished' so to speak, by right thinking people who have voiced their objections to the blatant promotion of her lifestyle and I was so proud of Elisabeth Hasselbeck for her courage in standing up to Rosie. It was a wonderful thing to see that bright young woman standing for her beliefs in a cogent, strongly worded defense of her position. Rosie couldn't take it and left that very day.

Someday I will comment on experiences with those who took advantage of a lonely young girl who was desperately trying to find people to help her to feel as if she existed in this world in a meaningful way after she was emotionally, and eventually sexually, abused by an older sibling. There are so many hurting people in this world! It just breaks my heart.
GrammieTana

Wow! Had no idea. Shows you how much I watch "The Tonight Show" or even read the flashy hollywood news. Like you I fell in love with Richard in "Dr Kildare" and was happy to see him again in "Thornbirds".

So sorry I missed that show about Elizabeth Hasselbeck stand. Would have made my heart glow. Seemed to me that Rosie was getting more outspoken in very rude manner every day and I quit watching that show.
They made a BIG mistake firing Star. I loved seeing her with all that weight lost. She was beautiful.(sorry getting offtopic)

Rosyroi

Rosyroi

[SoulEspresso]

I would report it to the proper authorites without delay. Then I would do everything in my power to see that the victim had all the support needed to heal and have a good life. Then I would do everything in my power to see that the abuser would face proper consequences, would have all of the proper modes of enforced accountability needed to remove any threat of future victims, that the abuser knew of God's continuing love and that, with true repentance, He could still forgive.

Me too! I'd still be friends, maybe, with the abuser ... but abuse merits justice. The victim's situation is far more important than the perp's.

Let me turn the question around. Who wouldn't do what PB just described? Anyone?

This post has been edited by SoulEspresso: Jul 17 2007, 04:59 PM

[PrincessDrRe]

I don't know NOBODY in their RIGHT MIND that wouldn't "report it"....

Then again.....

[PeacefulBe]

I don't know NOBODY in their RIGHT MIND that wouldn't "report it"....

Then again.....

Unfortunately, being in one's right mind seems to be the defining characteristic of those who report abuse. All too often the troops(those NOT in their RIGHT MINDS) either rally around the abuser, look the other way or simply don't believe the victim. The despair a child feels when loved ones do not believe cuts to the soul and feels like death.

[Fran]

Unfortunately, being in one's right mind seems to be the defining characteristic of those who report abuse. All too often the troops(those NOT in their RIGHT MINDS) either rally around the abuser, look the other way or simply don't believe the victim. The despair a child feels when loved ones do not believe cuts to the soul and feels like death.

PB;

You are right. The wounds never heals, but when it occurs and comes to light about others, it is like salt being poured on an open wound. Public heathens treat this sin as against the law, but God help us, not in the church! Our church does like the catholics, we just transfer them to a new playground to spoil.

There was a male teacher in one of our schools that had 2 beautiful daughters. They had lots of friends. Every weekend the girls had sleepover at their house. Friday night was the first bath of the week end. The baths continued all week end. All the cake and candy and money was there for the taking. Great food, great games, great Sabbath Activities, great surprises. The girl I knew never went back. Slowly, but surely, no one would go home with the girls anymore. Everyone seemed to change from light hearted children, to silent scared quiet kids. He was transferred to start the bath parties all over again. This girl told me she asked the sisters if anything like that had ever happened to them. They said no and couldn't believe anything like that had ever happened to anyone.

I imagine his kids grew up happy and carefree with no problems whatsoever!

Then there are the Pastors, Elders and Deacons! They can spot others that are like them in no time at all. They know about each other and share information! Then they move to a new playgrounds, all the time praising the Lord for providing such a fresh new group of fresh untouched virgin girls.

What becomes of the broken hearted?

[PeacefulBe]

PB;

You are right. The wounds never heals, but when it occurs and comes to light about others, it is like salt being poured on an open wound. Public heathens treat this sin as against the law, but God help us, not in the church! Our church does like the catholics, we just transfer them to a new playground to spoil.

What becomes of the broken hearted?

Fran,

Many, with spirits crushed, live their lives in the adversary's realm where they find constant reaffirmation of their victim status. Some, the fortunate ones, find hope and healing through getting to know the awesomely consistent, unconditional love of God. Some experience both.

And then, of course, there are those broken hearted who become abusers themselves.

[PrincessDrRe]

Bump...so it's not forgotten....

[SoulEspresso]

I think the recent BSDA poll, flawed as it was showed that the coverup of these allegations is the most disturbing in a galaxy of allegations.

[YogusBearus]

I think the recent BSDA poll, flawed as it was showed that the coverup of these allegations is the most disturbing in a galaxy of allegations.

Agreed SE. Anxiously awaiting your effort...

-bear