Mr Joy's Creditability, Owner of save3abn.com Options

[fallible humanbe...]

So let me rephrase my question. Where is the mainstream media story?

Maybe the story hasn't hit the main stream press because the so-called investigator of 3ABN only wants his fame to exist within the Adventist community. Why would he be concerned, well let's ask Bob Pickle and Greg Matthews who appear to be Gailon A. Joy's spokesmen - or at least they are closest to him in regards to the 3ABN story and because Mr. Joy doesn't post here so they are his spokesmen. Do the claims provided below which were made (HERE) have any basis in fact? If they do, it would seem that Mr. Joy has a past and reputation that would make most skeptical Americans very wary of anything he claimed to be "the truth." However, there doesn't seem to be much skepticism here about his "truth" which is used to support the local novella published here and the postings of "sister" so maybe America wouldn't be so skeptical of someone who was convicted of embezzelment and now has this litany of claims of against him to deal with.

The Internet reveals some interesting information. The following claims are made against Mr. Joy by an individual with obvious first hand information of the situation. Both quotes can be found HERE:

- . . . the probable writer of those words [Joy], but at least the founder of the web site [save3abn], cheated his last 5-6 landlords out of duly owed rent payments? by simply not paying, and forcing delaying tactics and threatening expensive legal proceedings? including to me[the author of the post, making it solid first hand information]

- . . . including cheating a bank to obtain a limited documentation mortgage in an under-employed daughters name, then not paying and forcing a forclosure?

- . . . living for free for the better part of a year?with a substantial loss to the lender? all while professing a sanctimonious belief in the churches mission to bring healing to the world???

naw, this probably isn't the time and place...

otoh, while I sympathize with Linda's situation, and she should be somehow made aware of the nature of this "support", I would not donate a dime thru this spiders web-site that I didn't expect to be misappropriated.

In another post the author of the above refers to a personal interaction he had with G. A. Joy:

.... he tried to pay his overdue rent one time with a check drawn on some EGW trust account which he said he controlled... for what purpose I never found out....

Now, additional questions that need to be raised in regards to this last quote are:

"Did he have any right to draw on that account?"

and

"Do the individuals he controlled these accounts for know he did this?"

What does this say about the integrity of his work, his "evidence", his motive for trying to take Danny and 3ABN down? If you were Linda wouldn't you be concerned about this man representing you? If his "evidence" is used to support the novella found here in this forum and the postings of sister - how accurate can they be?

- FHB

[calvin]

My take:

Mr Joy is no small player in this saga. He has put himself in play with his website. Therefore, his creditability can be discussed here.

[PeacefulBe]

My take:

Mr Joy is no small player in this saga. He has put himself in play with is website. Therefore, his creditability can be duscussed here.

Calvin,

Thank you. This appears a fair and unbiased approach to me as well.

[awesumtenor]

Maybe the story hasn't hit the main stream press because the so-called investigator of 3ABN only wants his fame to exist within the Adventist community. Why would he be concerned, well let's ask Bob Pickle and Greg Matthews who appear to be Gailon A. Joy's spokesmen - or at least they are closest to him in regards to the 3ABN story and because Mr. Joy doesn't post here so they are his spokesmen. Do the claims provided below which were made (HERE) have any basis in fact? If they do, it would seem that Mr. Joy has a past and reputation that would make most skeptical Americans very wary of anything he claimed to be "the truth." However, there doesn't seem to be much skepticism here about his "truth" which is used to support the local novella published here and the postings of "sister" so maybe America wouldn't be so skeptical of someone who was convicted of embezzelment and now has this litany of claims of against him to deal with.

The Internet reveals some interesting information. The following claims are made against Mr. Joy by an individual with obvious first hand information of the situation. Both quotes can be found HERE:
In another post the author of the above refers to a personal interaction he had with G. A. Joy:
Now, additional questions that need to be raised in regards to this last quote are:

"Did he have any right to draw on that account?"

and

"Do the individuals he controlled these accounts for know he did this?"

What does this say about the integrity of his work, his "evidence", his motive for trying to take Danny and 3ABN down? If you were Linda wouldn't you be concerned about this man representing you? If his "evidence" is used to support the novella found here in this forum and the postings of sister - how accurate can they be?

- FHB

It speaks volumes that those so intent on discrediting Mr. Joy and others are zealously guarding their own identities that no investigation of their acts beyond what is done under the mask they wear here can be undertaken.

Be a man, fhb... show your face. Give your real name and let someone do some digging into your past and present.

Until you do, what you are doing will be viewed as a desperate act of cowardice...

In His service,
Mr. J

[erik]

Maybe the story hasn't hit the main stream press because the so-called investigator of 3ABN only wants his fame to exist within the Adventist community. Why would he be concerned, well let's ask Bob Pickle and Greg Matthews who appear to be Gailon A. Joy's spokesmen - or at least they are closest to him in regards to the 3ABN story and because Mr. Joy doesn't post here so they are his spokesmen. Do the claims provided below which were made (HERE) have any basis in fact? If they do, it would seem that Mr. Joy has a past and reputation that would make most skeptical Americans very wary of anything he claimed to be "the truth." However, there doesn't seem to be much skepticism here about his "truth" which is used to support the local novella published here and the postings of "sister" so maybe America wouldn't be so skeptical of someone who was convicted of embezzelment and now has this litany of claims of against him to deal with.

The Internet reveals some interesting information. The following claims are made against Mr. Joy by an individual with obvious first hand information of the situation. Both quotes can be found HERE:
In another post the author of the above refers to a personal interaction he had with G. A. Joy:
Now, additional questions that need to be raised in regards to this last quote are:

"Did he have any right to draw on that account?"

and

"Do the individuals he controlled these accounts for know he did this?"

What does this say about the integrity of his work, his "evidence", his motive for trying to take Danny and 3ABN down? If you were Linda wouldn't you be concerned about this man representing you? If his "evidence" is used to support the novella found here in this forum and the postings of sister - how accurate can they be?

- FHB

FHB,

Sounds like to me the lawyers have said they do not have a case, so you are falling back to the next best attack line.

HAving said that Mr. Joy needs to come clean.

HAving said that, even if mr. Joy is the snake is being painted has, not sure how that makes the victims of Tommy Shelton, into lairs or lessens the wrongfullness of letting him work around kids.

Erik

[Pickle]

Yes, it is true that a gentleman posted what FHB refers to, a gentleman who in his profile claims to be a Chippendale dancer, which my understanding is a male stripper.

FHB, for the record, could you detail for us your efforts to get Gailon's side of the story before posting this?

Erik, it appears to me that the statement as posted is probably grossly inaccurate.

[erik]

Yes, it is true that a gentleman posted what FHB refers to, a gentleman who in his profile claims to be a Chippendale dancer, which my understanding is a male stripper.

FHB, for the record, could you detail for us your efforts to get Gailon's side of the story before posting this?

Erik, it appears to me that the statement as posted is probably grossly inaccurate.

Bob,

Most likely it is highly wrong, but either way not sure why they would be bring it up unless the lawyers told them their case was crashing, or how it lets Tommy off the Hook.

Erik

[Bystander]

Yes, it is true that a gentleman posted what FHB refers to, a gentleman who in his profile claims to be a Chippendale dancer, which my understanding is a male stripper.

FHB, for the record, could you detail for us your efforts to get Gailon's side of the story before posting this?

And why would FHB need to get Gailon's side of the story. Gailon has had a posting party over in his little corner of the world (yours too) without getting other people's side. He can be "outed" by the same standards

Bob,

Most likely it is highly wrong, but either way not sure why they would be bring it up unless the lawyers told them their case was crashing, or how it lets Tommy off the Hook.

Erik

Erik, you don't understand why FHB would bring it up? C'mon. This guy is trying to make a mockery out of 3abn and the people while also trying to destroy people's character in the process. You have to ask why that anyone would question his credentials or lack thereof, his financial status, his ethics? You find out these answers and then you also have a motive.
Erik we know what side you're on but surely you can be a little more even handed on something as obvious as this.

[princessdi]

Now, now BS, we have pages and pages, of Pickle emails to Danny WT,a nd anybody else he could get trying to get infomation. In fact, I believe your group called it harrassment? It is fair that he ask this question. We know he did at least try many times to get this information from the source, but we know that Danny ain't tlkin', right?

And why would FHB need to get Gailon's side of the story. Gailon has had a posting party over in his little corner of the world (yours too) without getting other people's side. He can be "outed" by the same standards

[Bystander]

It speaks volumes that those so intent on discrediting Mr. Joy and others are zealously guarding their own identities that no investigation of their acts beyond what is done under the mask they wear here can be undertaken.

Be a man, fhb... show your face. Give your real name and let someone do some digging into your past and present.

Until you do, what you are doing will be viewed as a desperate act of cowardice...

In His service,
Mr. J

Now why would an investigation need to be done on FHB? He is not a public figure nor has he put himself in the limelight like Joy and Pickle. They are the ones who like to dig dirt, so there is absolutely not one thing wrong with turning the tables and playing by their own rules.

[Pickle]

And why would FHB need to get Gailon's side of the story. Gailon has had a posting party over in his little corner of the world (yours too) without getting other people's side. He can be "outed" by the same standards

Not so. Either it's been Danny's side of the story that has been posted, or Danny et. al. has been asked about the issue and been given an opportunity to repsond.

If you disagree, make a list of items and issues that fall into the description I just gave, and a list of items and issues that don't fit my description, and then share both lists here.

FHB, please post your email to Gailon asking him about this.

[fallible humanbe...]

Yes, it is true that a gentleman posted what FHB refers to, a gentleman who in his profile claims to be a Chippendale dancer, which my understanding is a male stripper.

FHB, for the record, could you detail for us your efforts to get Gailon's side of the story before posting this?

Erik, it appears to me that the statement as posted is probably grossly inaccurate.

Bob,

Do you have an answer to the question of the validity of the claims or not. As to the Chippendale issue, have you ever heard of a joke?

You can spin in the wind, you can try to divert, but the fact is that these questions need answering. You have called Danny's integrity into question, Shelley's, Mollie's, Dr. Thompson's, etc. You have said over and over again that these individuals are lying and that gives you ever reason and right to pursue the course you have. You have used Mr. Joy's site to publish your opinions. So, because you have chosen to side with Mr. Joy and because you have chosen to speak with him, while he says nothing publically then can you answer these claims.

If these are true (and they may or may not be) then it speaks volumes about the entire "investigation" and begs questions about the integrity of the information presented. And, because his "information" has been used to support and defend the novella here and the posts of sister and watchbird, then it calls into question the validity and veracity of those claims put forth by them.

If you can provide evidence that these claims are indeed not true then fine! It would seem that since you love to hammer away at Danny for nor responding to your accusations and questions that you would want to provide an example of how things should be done and you would addresses these and provide either verification of their validity or evidence that they are false. I realize the claims are not against you, however you have placed yourself in the dugout with Mr. Joy and he has left you to be his spokesman here.

- FHB

[Pickle]

... there is absolutely not one thing wrong with turning the tables and playing by their own rules.

And making no attempt whatsoever in following any of the principles of Matt. 18? Not even making a feeble attempt at finding out the other side of the story?

[Bystander]

Now, now BS, we have pages and pages, of Pickle emails to Danny WT,a nd anybody else he could get trying to get infomation. In fact, I believe your group called it harrassment? It is fair that he ask this question. We know he did at least try many times to get this information from the source, but we know that Danny ain't tlkin', right?

Now he ain't talking that's right. In the beginning he did but found out soon enough who and what was behind all this junk.
To be more specific you named a few that decided talking to them would be useless. Now what about other players involved over at their corner. There is no way they have contacted every single person that they have talked about over there.
And better yet, you know what? If they couldn't get the other side of the story, they would have been a lot smarter to just put it on hold until they could. but, they didn't, so, turn about is fair play.

[Pickle]

As to the Chippendale issue, have you ever heard of a joke?

So you're saying you took the time to verify that that was a joke, but had not time to get Gailon's side of the story? that makes no sense.

Certainly your stating in your profile that your home church is Florida Hospital Church isn't a joke, is it? By the way, do you like first service better or second service.

If you can provide evidence that these claims are indeed not true then fine!

If you can provide evidence that these claims are indeed true, then fine.