3-abn & Af Merger, Is it on hold? Options

[Observer]

I telephoned, today, the Sacramento Central Chruch where DB is the pastor. I mentioned the "gossip" that the so-called "merger" was either off, or on hold, and I asked what was happening. In a carefully worded statement, I was informed that no announcement had been made by either AF or 3-ABN.

I pointed out that this did not repond to my question as to what was going on, and that it was simply a statement to the effect that neither party had made a public announcement in regard to what was going on. The response to me was to the effect that I had correctly understood the response I was given.

[princessdi]

Now, for Danny to say he was the one who initiated this merge, by asking DB, several times to merge the two., and speaking as if it was a done deal...............I am curious as to who took the first steps backwards. There is the legitimate question about AF becoming a true independent ministry if they merge, and/or 3ABn coming under the church much as AF now. That in itself seems a hug hurdle. As I stated before, for a good while now, I had heard this was nto the done deal DS wanted it to sound like.

[Observer]

Now, for Danny to say he was the one who initiated this merge, by asking DB, several times to merge the two., and speaking as if it was a done deal...............I am curious as to who took the first steps backwards. There is the legitimate question about AF becoming a true independent ministry if they merge, and/or 3ABn coming under the church much as AF now. That in itself seems a hug hurdle. As I stated before, for a good while now, I had heard this was nto the done deal DS wanted it to sound like.

As I have said before, seccular business has learned that in a time of crisis, the best PR move is to develop a means where the public can have its questions answered immediately, and accurately.

I am reminded of a local hospital where a patient died due to a hospital caused infection. Immediately that hospital established a means for the public to get accurate information in regard to the death, and how the hospital was responding to it. That hospital litterly spend tens of thousands of dollars to bring in outside experts to determine the cause, propose a remedy, and to act on those proposals. The news media featured the story. But, it soon turned into a story of fixing the problem.

NOTE: For those who want to know: The large multi-story hospital, with two basements, had a dirt floor in the lower basement. Water got on that floor, and activated some natural pathogens living in the local sotil. Those pathogens were released into the air, and got into the ventalation system, and infected a patient, who died. The money for the experts was large, and it was very expensive to lay a concrete floor in a sub-basement of a multi-story building. But the free access to information prevented a major PR issue from occuring.

Back to the issue: It appears to me that the people associated with this so-called merger have not learned the lesson of giving people the facts.

People have come to some of us with stories of what is happening. Contrary to what some beleive, we do not publish everything that comes to us, without checking it out. All a got today was a carfully worded comment that neither side had made a public announcement.

So, with no authorative information which we can post, we shall simply have to wait to see, and the public will continue to wonder.

[princessdi]

ITA! There should not have been an announcement without some prepared facts for the subsequent questions.

As I have said before, seccular business has learned that in a time of crisis, the best PR move is to develop a means where the public can have its questions answered immediately, and accurately.

Back to the issue: It appears to me that the people associated with this so-called merger have not learned the lesson of giving people the facts.
People have come to some of us with stories of what is happening. Contrary to what some beleive, we do not publish everything that comes to us, without checking it out. All a got today was a carfully worded comment that neither side had made a public announcement.

So, with no authorative information which we can post, we shall simply have to wait to see, and the public will continue to wonder.

[SoulEspresso]

It appears to me that the people associated with this so-called merger have not learned the lesson of giving people the facts.

The authorities in the Adventist church tend this way. They're not all this way. But a lot of them are this way.

I think it has to do with avoiding "reproach on the cause of Christ," which is a misuse of inspired counsel if there ever was one.

[lowender]

This announcement that this AF/3ABN merger is a done deal sounds like another premature Danny Shelton move. Danny knows that he has lost respect, clout & his donor funds are declining rapidly. So he thinks if he teams up with AF, more notably, with Doug Batchelor, then he can save his reputation this way. Then he can turn on his critics and say "SEE... DOUG BATCHELOR & AMAZING FACTS SUPPORT MY DIVORCE & RE-MARRIAGE." You see, it's all about Danny. It's all about what he wants. He's developed an entitled mentality where he thinks he is exempt from truth & consequences.

[mikell]

About the merger of 3abn and Amazing Facts, would anyone know if rescue3abn.blog.com has any truth to it? It seems so extreme if all what is written out is true, I have a hard time to believe it. Can any of you back it up or say it is all of a lie? thanks, Mikell[/font]

[lurker]

That is what each one of us must decide for ourselves. There is plenty of documentation from government and official records and from the mouths and pens of 3ABN leaders themselves that speak louder than anyone who has already decided to support either side can say to you.

We may discuss the evidence among ourselves but it is not anyone's job to make up your mind for you.

We have answered some who have come here trying to discredit the evidence and logic and we have felt that there were honest souls among them so we have tried to answer their questions to the best of our ability. There are some who have come here in order to sway others who have tried to present what we felt were flawed opinions and easily disprovable claims. We tried to answer them in order to keep those who are naive from being deliberately misled.

Only if you are too lazy to check all the evidence for yourself and accept the easy way out will you let others do your thinking for you.

This post has been edited by lurker: Jun 1 2007, 06:20 AM

[Seraphim7]

Is it possible that the supporters of the AF ministry got wind of the "possible merger" and are not comfortable with the idea of supporting, "ministers, or a ministry" even if there is a possibility it will be done "behind the scenes". Especially after seeing how tainted 3ABN has become. Just a thought.

[LaurenceD]

I remember when DB was on 3abn Live during the big announcement, and all the dreamers and visonaries chimed in, DS turned to Doug and said something like maybe he should do one of his famous backflips (handsprings) on live TV as a celebration of the merger. Doug declined.

Maybe he'd consider doing one now.

[awesumtenor]

Only if you are too lazy to check all the evidence for yourself and accept the easy way out will you let others do your thinking for you.

That or you are Gordie Howe...

In His service,
Mr. J

[PeacefulBe]

About the merger of 3abn and Amazing Facts, would anyone know if rescue3abn.blog.com has any truth to it? It seems so extreme if all what is written out is true, I have a hard time to believe it. Can any of you back it up or say it is all of a lie? thanks, Mikell[/font]

mikell,

I don't know if the site you are speaking of, http://rescue3abn.blog.com/, is speaking the truth. It seems much like the http://savegailon.blogspot.com site that appears to want to inflame folks rather than disuss the issues in a constructive manner. JMO.

I doubt that is was created by anyone who is a regular member of this forum but that is also JMO.

[Noahswife]

Please see my post regarding Jim Pederson's email response from yesterday >>>>>>>>
http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=197752

[steffan]

ITA! There should not have been an announcement without some prepared facts for the subsequent questions.

It seems quite clear to most people that the reason it was announced before any details had been worked out is simple. If they would have kept it private while going through months of details, you all who seem to have nothing better to do than to track AF and 3abn's movements would have been all over it with your accusations and speculation. Just imagine the spins that would have been made that AF and 3abn were having "secret" meetings. Then you all would have went to the opposite argument. "Why don't they just tell us what they are working on?" "Why is this secret, what do they have to hide?" "Don't they think their supporters need to know what they are planning?"

That's why it was announced before concrete details were worked out.
Just more evidence that for some, no matter what they do, it would be wrong.

This announcement that this AF/3ABN merger is a done deal sounds like another premature Danny Shelton move. Danny knows that he has lost respect, clout & his donor funds are declining rapidly. So he thinks if he teams up with AF, more notably, with Doug Batchelor, then he can save his reputation this way. Then he can turn on his critics and say "SEE... DOUG BATCHELOR & AMAZING FACTS SUPPORT MY DIVORCE & RE-MARRIAGE." You see, it's all about Danny. It's all about what he wants. He's developed an entitled mentality where he thinks he is exempt from truth & consequences.

It amazes me that if "it's all about Danny" how he could get a large and well respected ministry like AF to go along with his "whims." That conclusion makes as much sense as the one stated here that AF their board, 3abn their board and the conference officials that are involved had an emergency meeting and decided to merge because Linda got a new lawyer for their personal property case!!!
Since you say Danny has done this to save his credibility, what If ,for some reason, DS and 3ABN decided against merging, what would you say then?
Again, let me point out the lack of good sense by saying "Danny did this because" implying, again, that AF, their board, Doug and the conference officials had no say in it.

[PeacefulBe]

It seems quite clear to most people that the reason it was announced before any details had been worked out is simple. If they would have kept it private while going through months of details, you all who seem to have nothing better to do than to track AF and 3abn's movements would have been all over it with your accusations and speculation. Just imagine the spins that would have been made that AF and 3abn were having "secret" meetings. Then you all would have went to the opposite argument. "Why don't they just tell us what they are working on?" "Why is this secret, what do they have to hide?" "Don't they think their supporters need to know what they are planning?"

That's why it was announced before concrete details were worked out.

Wow! So you are saying that we are a powerful force that must be reckoned with!