The 3abn Massachusetts Lawsuit Poll Options

[Panama_Pete]

The current 3ABN lawsuit filed in Massachusetts by Plaintiff Danny Shelton has the following statement:

"Although many of 3ABN's employees and volunteers, including Plaintiff Shelton, are members of the Seventh-Day Adventist faith, 3ABN is a non-denominational Christian ministry which is not owned by, affiliated with, or financed by any specific church, denomination, or organization."

This poll asks if you think 3ABN donors give money and other gifts to 3ABN with the stated knowledge and understanding as stated in the lawsuit.

[beartrap]

The current 3ABN lawsuit filed in Massachusetts by Plaintiff Danny Shelton has the following statement:

"Although many of 3ABN's employees and volunteers, including Plaintiff Shelton, are members of the Seventh-Day Adventist faith, 3ABN is a non-denominational Christian ministry which is not owned by, affiliated with, or financed by any specific church, denomination, or organization."

This poll asks if you think 3ABN donors give money and other gifts to 3ABN with the stated knowledge and understanding as stated in the lawsuit.

"Not affilitated with?" How about "Atlantic Union and 3ABN productions?" How about the production truck co-operated by them that was advertised on 3ABN? How about the ASI conventions? How about the GC Sessions? How about David Asscherik, Doug Bachelor, Kenneth Cox, Sean Boonstra, and the many other People on 3ABN telling everyone that the path to salvation is the doctrines of the SDA church? How about the many Seventh-day Adventist churches who have made 3ABN the recipient of their offerings?

[Panama_Pete]

"Not affilitated with?" How about "Atlantic Union and 3ABN productions?" How about the production truck co-operated by them that was advertised on 3ABN? How about the ASI conventions? How about the GC Sessions? How about David Asscherik, Doug Bachelor, Kenneth Cox, Sean Boonstra, and the many other People on 3ABN telling everyone that the path to salvation is the doctrines of the SDA church? How about the many Seventh-day Adventist churches who have made 3ABN the recipient of their offerings?

Good Points, Beartrap!

[Artiste]

I see Pastor Doug Batchelor and Mollie Steenson this evening having a warm and friendly discussion about his evangelism school--do you think that we will learn that AFCOE is non-denominational also?






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This post has been edited by Artiste: Jun 25 2007, 12:52 AM

[Panama_Pete]

I see Pastor Doug Batchelor and Mollie Steenson this evening having a warm and friendly discussion about his evangelism school--do you think that we will learn that AFCOE is non-denominational also?
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That would certainly be something to write home about, wouldn't it?

[Snoopy]

I see Pastor Doug Batchelor and Mollie Steenson this evening having a warm and friendly discussion about his evangelism school--do you think that we will learn that AFCOE is non-denominational also?
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Great point, Artiste! I wonder if Pastor Doug knew that he is planning a merger of his clearly affiliated Seventh-day Adventist evangelism/ministry with a non-denominational, independent, accountable-to-no-one organization...

Didn't I just read a post here where someone tried to contact AF about this fiasco but received a chilly response because AF thought the caller was connected with BSDA? Wonder how AF would respond now??? Having no connection with AF and a waning connection with the SDA church I am probably not the one to check that out. This is all really sad. I had just started to get interested in the church again but this is all a real turn-off. BTJM






This post has been edited by Snoopy: Jun 25 2007, 01:18 AM

[Fran]

Thanks Panama;

This needed/begged to be asked. It shows that people are listening here!

If this same poll were taken in the churches, I believe there would be much confusion to begin with, but once the statement was read and heard, they woukd understand they have been down Primrose lane.

That sentence is like a slap in the face! It says to me, "I'll take all your money, but you & your church stink! We don't like them and don't even want to be associated with the likes of them, but hey folks, just keep on sending me what you have in your hand! Bring the tithes into the 3ABN storehouse and we will KEEP it, but you need to leave and go back from whence you came!

I am now going to have to get the dentist to replace all my teeth that fell out a few years ago when I realized this truth. I am just waiting for the real shocker to hit the fan in case I loose the rest of my teeth!

There is a song that says, "Ive been redeemed." However, the song has been in my heart all day. but it sings;

"We've been deceived
by the wolf in sheep clothes!
By the thief in the night!
We've been deceived,

by the very elect. we've been deceived
Into his image we have become received.
We've been deceived
By the big bad wolf,

But into his heart
we have finally looked!
We've been deceived,
by the big bad wolf I've been deceived...!"

There is also a scripture that warns us that all we have done in secret will be brought to light. I have seen the intent to deceive for several years now. Now it is being made public. I pray that NOTHING will ever be impounded again!

[watchbird]

What I'm waiting to see is a list of all of those "non-denominational" churches that have been supporting 3abn through the years.... and I want the list to include the names, dates, and places of his fund raising rallies that have been held in "non-denominational" venues!

[Observer]

What I'm waiting to see is a list of all of those "non-denominational" churches that have been supporting 3abn through the years.... and I want the list to include the names, dates, and places of his fund raising rallies that have been held in "non-denominational" venues!

Excellent point!

[Panama_Pete]

I pray that NOTHING will ever be impounded again!

Me too!

[Noahswife]

Well, holding true to form, my mother has once again proven to me she can rationalize anything involving 3abn. When I asked her how she felt about this position in the court documents, she told me it did not bother her at all. In fact she was glad that 3abn was not affiliated with the SDA church as it would limit the programs they would be able to air. When I asked about receiving ASI money, I was told they could receive money from anyone that supported them. When I asked about holding 3abn events in SDA churches, I was merely ignored.

So can I vote twice as I want to vote again for someone else......

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This post has been edited by Noahswife: Jun 28 2007, 07:49 AM

[watchbird]

Well, holding true to form, my mother has once again proven to me she can rationalize anything involving 3abn. When I asked her how she felt about this position in the court documents, she told me it did not bother her at all. In fact she was glad, 3abn was not affiliated with the SDA church as it would limit the programs they would be able to air. When I asked about receiving ASI money, I was told they could receive money from anyone that supported them. When I asked about holding 3abn events in SDA churches, I was merely ignored.

So can I vote twice as I want to vote again for someone else......

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I'm really ingrigued about the part I've bolded above.

No.. you can't vote twice... but I'm not real sure there is any selection there that would be accurate in her case anyhow. Maybe there should have been a choice that said... I support 3abn because I want to... I don't care what they put on the air or who they are or are not "affiliated with".

[lurker]

Unless the Lord intervenes, 3ABN is definately on the way out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

[LadyTenor]

3ABN= THREE ANGELS' Broadcasting Network.

Does anyone know of any non-denominational churches that preach the Three Angel's Message? For that matter, does anyone know of any other denomination that preaches that message?




Anyone else see the irony here??

[Shepherdswife]

Well, holding true to form, my mother has once again proven to me she can rationalize anything involving 3abn. When I asked her how she felt about this position in the court documents, she told me it did not bother her at all. In fact she was glad, 3abn was not affiliated with the SDA church as it would limit the programs they would be able to air. When I asked about receiving ASI money, I was told they could receive money from anyone that supported them. When I asked about holding 3abn events in SDA churches, I was merely ignored.

Some people just really like Danny... !!

He has become like family to them. It is easy to think someone is wonderful when you never have any real face to face time with them. We had members in one district who never attended the local church--they just watched 3ABN. They couldn't get along with the local members, so this was "church" for them. Danny was their pastor, they would call the help line and the counseling line and complain about the local church, and send their money to Danny. It is easy for a phone "pastor" to placate someone, tell them what they want to hear, then hang up. You don't have to deal with the fallout or hold anyone accountable or face them the next week in church.

I'll never forget when our son, who was a teenager by then, learned of a family in another state who had begun attending church because of 3ABN. He said "Oh, I didn't know 3ABN brought people to church. I thought they watched it so they didn't have to go!" I had not thought of it that way, but that was the only thing he had been exposed to up to that point.