Mckee Supports 3abn Through Selling Junk Foods, Is That Good? Options

[mikell]

What is the definitive definition of the word, "oxymoron?" Would it not be what Mckee named his product?

I just read a label seeing the ingredients to one of Mckee's products – what is, “Titanium Dioxide, Digycerides, ” and the sugar being the first ingredient, would not this be “junk foods?” Mckee has his food corporation right off the SDA campus of Southern Missionary College, where many of the students work to help to put themselves through college. It seems, we have here a SDA college manufacturing and distributoring junk foods throughout the U.S. True, SMC is benefiting, and of course, 3ABN; but does the ends justifies the means?

Could not Mckee switch over to health products, foods that are good for the human body, and not to have junk foods? Is it not true that the deaths from obesity is approaching to that of smokers per year? Just think how many lives will be saved if Mckee made his products so much healthier, according to the Seventh day Adventist health message! Just look up this site about the CDC study on obesity: http://www.doctorslounge.com/primary/articles/obesity_death

"In a recent government study, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that obesity is fast approaching tobacco as the top underlying preventable cause of death in the USA."

Just think of the good national press Mckee will get, if he total overhauled his junk food products to very healthfull ones, and the lives he will save! Is not what the SDA Church it all about, changing lives for the good, starting eating right? Do not I see healthful living programs on 3ABN, or I just could be mistaken?

[watchbird]

What is the definitive definition of the word, "oxymoron?" Would it not be what Mckee named his product?

I just read a label seeing the ingredients to one of Mckee's products – what is, “Titanium Dioxide, Digycerides, ” and the sugar being the first ingredient, would not this be “junk foods?” Mckee has his food corporation right off the SDA campus of Southern Missionary College, where many of the students work to help to put themselves through college. It seems, we have here a SDA college manufacturing and distributoring junk foods throughout the U.S. True, SMC is benefiting, and of course, 3ABN; but does the ends justifies the means?

Could not Mckee switch over to health products, foods that are good for the human body, and not to have junk foods? Is it not true that the deaths from obesity is approaching to that of smokers per year? Just think how many lives will be saved if Mckee made his products so much healthier, according to the Seventh day Adventist health message! Just look up this site about the CDC study on obesity: http://www.doctorslounge.com/primary/articles/obesity_death

"In a recent government study, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that obesity is fast approaching tobacco as the top underlying preventable cause of death in the USA."

Just think of the good national press Mckee will get, if he total overhauled his junk food products to very healthfull ones, and the lives he will save! Is not what the SDA Church it all about, changing lives for the good, starting eating right? Do not I see healthful living programs on 3ABN, or I just could be mistaken?

You are correct in noting that it is one of the oxymorons of the century that an SDA family has made their millions in becoming the #1 snack cake producer in the United States.... and that is done with the full blessing... and thanks... from various segments of the SDA church.

You are not correct, however, when you assume that they could change their product and make "national press" for doing so ... or that they could continue with the volume of product, sales, and profits if they were to switch to "healthful" products.

The facts are, though, that McKee foods does not produce ONLY snack cakes (junk food). They do in fact have "healthy foods" divisions... which produce granola products, cereals, etc.

But the bulk of their business is still sugar, sugar, sugar... in one form or another. Sad......

[Richard Sherwin]

Nothing wrong with junk food if we just don't eat a whole box at a time of those Little Debbies.

They of course could switch over to all health foods, but I suppose all those laid off workers might object

And no lives would be saved if they did so because instead of LD's people would just buy Twinkies or Frito Lays snacks. (Which McKee's also used to produce, and maybe still do). The manufactures are not to blame for obesity, they simply produce what people buy. If everyone switched over to buying all natural sugar free deserts then of course the manufactures would produce them. People are the ones responsible for their own problems.

Richard "former McKeeite" Sherwin

What is the definitive definition of the word, "oxymoron?" Would it not be what Mckee named his product?

I just read a label seeing the ingredients to one of Mckee's products – what is, “Titanium Dioxide, Digycerides, ” and the sugar being the first ingredient, would not this be “junk foods?” Mckee has his food corporation right off the SDA campus of Southern Missionary College, where many of the students work to help to put themselves through college. It seems, we have here a SDA college manufacturing and distributoring junk foods throughout the U.S. True, SMC is benefiting, and of course, 3ABN; but does the ends justifies the means?

Could not Mckee switch over to health products, foods that are good for the human body, and not to have junk foods? Is it not true that the deaths from obesity is approaching to that of smokers per year? Just think how many lives will be saved if Mckee made his products so much healthier, according to the Seventh day Adventist health message! Just look up this site about the CDC study on obesity: http://www.doctorslounge.com/primary/articles/obesity_death

"In a recent government study, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that obesity is fast approaching tobacco as the top underlying preventable cause of death in the USA."

Just think of the good national press Mckee will get, if he total overhauled his junk food products to very healthfull ones, and the lives he will save! Is not what the SDA Church it all about, changing lives for the good, starting eating right? Do not I see healthful living programs on 3ABN, or I just could be mistaken?

[sdaguy]

Nothing wrong with junk food if we just don't eat a whole box at a time of those Little Debbies.

They of course could switch over to all health foods, but I suppose all those laid off workers might object

And no lives would be saved if they did so because instead of LD's people would just buy Twinkies or Frito Lays snacks. (Which McKee's also used to produce, and maybe still do). The manufactures are not to blame for obesity, they simply produce what people buy. If everyone switched over to buying all natural sugar free deserts then of course the manufactures would produce them. People are the ones responsible for their own problems.

Richard "former McKeeite" Sherwin

Ha, I am sure the beer companies are not the blame for alcohol related traffic deaths producing their products, of course, "they are simply produce what people buy!" You are right even liquor manufactures are not to blame of alcoholism, just the drinkers are. So, why should they stop producing their multi-million dollar products? Just keep the alcohol flowing! I am sure if the liquor people tell God that at the Judgment time, it would be okay to have kept producing what people wanted, right?
Just maybe, you should start watching 3ABN to learn how to be, "thy brother's keeper."

This post has been edited by sdaguy: Jun 28 2007, 01:31 PM

[Richard Sherwin]

No the beer companies are not the ones causing the deaths. If you think they are then are not also the farmers who sell them the hops responsible? How about the bee keepers who produce honey that mead is made out of? Or the electrical companies who sell the electricity to the beer companies?

So where do you draw the line? Do we expect beer companies to quit making beer, cigarette companies to quit making cigarettes. Burger King to quit making burgers? McKee's to quit making LD's or.....well the list of what is bad for us has no end.

As long as the product is legal it is up to the consumer to use self control in limiting the intake of the products they consume. If I eat too many Big Macs whose fault is that? Mine or Micky D's? If I eat a box of Swiss Rolls every day should I be able to sue McKee Foods when I have a heart attack.

Richard

Ha, I am sure the beer companies are not the blame for alcohol related traffic deaths producing their products, of course, "they are simply produce what people buy!" You are right even liquor manufactures are not to blame of alcoholism, just the drinkers are. So, why should they stop producing their multi-million dollar products? Just keep the alcohol flowing! I am sure if the liquor people tell God that at the Judgment time, it would be okay to have kept producing what people wanted, right?
Just maybe, you should start watching 3ABN to learn how to be, "thy brother's keeper."

[Rosyroi]

Nothing wrong with junk food if we just don't eat a whole box at a time of those Little Debbies.

They of course could switch over to all health foods, but I suppose all those laid off workers might object

And no lives would be saved if they did so because instead of LD's people would just buy Twinkies or Frito Lays snacks. (Which McKee's also used to produce, and maybe still do). The manufactures are not to blame for obesity, they simply produce what people buy. If everyone switched over to buying all natural sugar free deserts then of course the manufactures would produce them. People are the ones responsible for their own problems.

Richard "former McKeeite" Sherwin

What??? You mean that I am not supposed to eat the whole box at one sitting?
Luv them donut sticks. They are great with a good hot cuppa Chocolate, or two or three or...
That must be the reason I feel so jumpy all day!!

Rosyroi

[mikell]

You are correct in noting that it is one of the oxymorons of the century that an SDA family has made their millions in becoming the #1 snack cake producer in the United States.... and that is done with the full blessing... and thanks... from various segments of the SDA church.

You are not correct, however, when you assume that they could change their product and make "national press" for doing so ... or that they could continue with the volume of product, sales, and profits if they were to switch to "healthful" products.

The facts are, though, that McKee foods does not produce ONLY snack cakes (junk food). They do in fact have "healthy foods" divisions... which produce granola products, cereals, etc.

But the bulk of their business is still sugar, sugar, sugar... in one form or another. Sad......

WB, I stand corrected. I did not know of their producing healthy snack foods. That is good! It is just sad that their producing the sugar snacks satisfing many Americans' addiction to sugar, is where they get their millions of dollars from, rather then from their healthy snacks.

Plus, I have to confess, I been a diet. Just ten pounds away from my high-school weight, but as I was walking through a store, suddenly bought a box of Little Debbie's chocolate logs and just about I got out to my car they were about gone. I then felt guilty, not just the eating, it was the buying. Does not the money goes to ds?

Also, True, it is the buyer who is responsible for being overweight. McKee sure did not shove those chocolate logs down my throat!

Rosyroi, LOL,

This post has been edited by mikell: Jun 28 2007, 05:45 PM

[Pickle]

While the consumer is responsible for his choices, in God's sight, the liquor dealer is responsible too.

[Richard Sherwin]

Ok I admit to eating a whole box at once, but it hasn't happened in awhile. Not since I have free access to tons of honey to eat (or drink) as much of that I want. Great stuff, right out the hive, in the comb, mouthfuls of it

Richard

What??? You mean that I am not supposed to eat the whole box at one sitting?
Luv them donut sticks. They are great with a good hot cuppa Chocolate, or two or three or...
That must be the reason I feel so jumpy all day!!

Rosyroi

How far back to we go though? We have the dealer, the manufacturer, the farmer, the electrical company. All work together to get the liquor into the consumer. Are they all responsible?

Richard

While the consumer is responsible for his choices, in God's sight, the liquor dealer is responsible too.

[foofighter]

If I'm not mistaken, Little Debbie sponsors a NASCAR car (not sure which one) and they have to cover up the logo during sabbath hours. Seems odd since you can buy them 24/7 all over the country. Seems just a tad hypocritical. You can buy our products on sabbath, but you can't look at our logo?

[Richard Sherwin]

Big difference. They sell their products to independent distributors who can sell them to whoever to sell them whenever. However when they sponsor the Ken Schrader Little Debbie car that is a direct sponsorship. They have no control once they've sold the product.

I once owned a manufacturing business. We displayed our products at trade shows but we never had our booth open on Sabbath, nor did we ever have our outlet store open during Sabbath hours. However if Home Depot wanted to sell our product on Sabbath that was up to them. They had bought it from us and it was no longer under our control.

As far as I know this is pretty much how all SDA's do business and it's within the Biblical guidelines for Sabbath observance.

Richard

If I'm not mistaken, Little Debbie sponsors a NASCAR car (not sure which one) and they have to cover up the logo during sabbath hours. Seems odd since you can buy them 24/7 all over the country. Seems just a tad hypocritical. You can buy our products on sabbath, but you can't look at our logo?

[princessdi]

This is all very educational, however, did I miss something where does the "....to support 3ABN...." come into play?

[Richard Sherwin]

Well I suppose we could start a Little Debbie boycott. (BTW Debbie McKee got married for the first time two or three months ago. She's old, my age) I really doubt a $1.29 box of Oatmeal Cream Pies contributes much to 3abn, but it does support workers in a low wage area of the country.

If Elsworth McKee wants to support 3abn that is his business. (He has the right to be wrong) However I have to wonder how much he is even aware of the goings on at 3abn. Is he a board member in name only or is he an active player in what goes on there?

Yes he produces junk food and 3abn is for healthy living. I don't see a Little Debbie and a healthy lifestyle at odds if the LD's are eaten in moderation. Now if there was a show on not eating sugar on 3abn and it said "brought to you by Little Debbie junk foods" then that would be a bit....strange.

Every company I suppose supports something that someone somewhere is opposed to.

Richard

This is all very educational, however, did I miss something where does the "....to support 3ABN...." come into play?

[foofighter]

Big difference. They sell their products to independent distributors who can sell them to whoever to sell them whenever. However when they sponsor the Ken Schrader Little Debbie car that is a direct sponsorship. They have no control once they've sold the product.

I once owned a manufacturing business. We displayed our products at trade shows but we never had our booth open on Sabbath, nor did we ever have our outlet store open during Sabbath hours. However if Home Depot wanted to sell our product on Sabbath that was up to them. They had bought it from us and it was no longer under our control.

As far as I know this is pretty much how all SDA's do business and it's within the Biblical guidelines for Sabbath observance.

Richard

Yes, I'm sure all the legalities have been worked out, I'm just curious about the Biblical guidlines for having a logo on a racecar during Sabbath. No sabbath-keepers are working. Is the logo working? I'm sure there are reasons, but still seems kind of silly. Smacks a little bit of "look at what good sabbath keepers we are". I know I'm a former, but even if was I still SDA this would seem a bit ridiculous.

[Pickle]

How far back to we go though? We have the dealer, the manufacturer, the farmer, the electrical company. All work together to get the liquor into the consumer. Are they all responsible?

We should probably go back as far as God has said we should. That's always safe.

Thus the liquor seller is responsible and Adventist farmers should quit growing hops. Why? Because God said so (by His Spirit through the prophet), that's why.

"I cannot see how, in the light of the law of God, Christians can conscientiously engage in the raising of hops or in the manufacture of wine or cider for the market" (CD 432, 433).