 The Highest-ranking Adventist Executives In North America |
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 Jul 19 2007, 09:45 PM
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Don Schneider, president of the North American division, has just identified himself and Jan Paulsen, General Conference president as the "two highest-ranking Adventist executives in North America". He is referring to the importance of their agreement on the matter of the merger between 3abn and Amazing Facts.
Has the Seventh-day Adventist Church come to this: We now have corporate-type executives of the church, which is of course a corporation, and they are making public mention of their prominent ranking in endorsing this ill-fated merger? The rest of us low-ranking individuals of the corporation will no doubt fall in line with their pronouncements... Jesus, when he was on the earth, possibly would have out-ranked them, but how was he spoken of? "...as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth", "he was oppressed and he was afflicted", "he was led as a lamb to the slaughter..." Tell me what you all think about this... ***************************************** This post has been edited by Artiste: Jul 19 2007, 09:57 PM |
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Jul 19 2007, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(Artiste @ Jul 19 2007, 11:45 PM)  Don Schneider, president of the North American division, has just identified himself and Jan Paulsen, General Conference president as the "two highest-ranking Adventist executives in North America". He is referring to the importance of their agreement on the matter of the merger between 3abn and Amazing Facts. Has the Seventh-day Adventist Church come to this: We now have corporate-type executives of the church, which is of course a corporation, and they are making public mention of their prominent ranking in endorsing this ill-fated merger? The rest of us low-ranking individuals of the corporation will no doubt fall in line with their pronouncements... Jesus, when he was on the earth, possibly would have out-ranked them, but how was he spoken of? "...as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth", "he was oppressed and he was afflicted", "he was led as a lamb to the slaughter..." Tell me what you all think about this... ***************************************** What man has joined together God can surely put asunder
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Jul 19 2007, 10:18 PM
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QUOTE(Seraphim7 @ Jul 20 2007, 06:04 AM) What man has joined together God can surely put asunder Is it true that Don Snider can thank Danny Shelton and 3AB for being elected to this high position? -------------------- "Any fact that needs to be disclosed should be put out now or as quickly as possible, because otherwise the bleeding will not end." (Attributed to Henry Kissinger) "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it" (Martin Luther King) |
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Jul 19 2007, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(Johann @ Jul 19 2007, 10:18 PM) Is it true that Don Snider can thank Danny Shelton and 3AB for being elected to this high position? It looks like a matter of pat my back and I will pat yours. Cover for me and I will cover for you. It all makes me nauseous.  |
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Jul 20 2007, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(Johann @ Jul 19 2007, 09:18 PM) Is it true that Don Schneider can thank Danny Shelton and 3AB for being elected to this high position? That's right...I remember now there was some discussion on that point in the past... I'm going to look it up! **************************************** |
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Jul 20 2007, 02:19 PM
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............but don't the members pay both their salaries?
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Jul 20 2007, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(princessdi @ Jul 20 2007, 01:19 PM) ............but don't the members pay both their salaries? You're so right! It's not like they were the "two highest-ranking Adventist executives in North America" of a for-profit corporation. If they were, they would be responsible for making a lot of money and would be essentially paying their *own* salaries. *********************************************** |
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Jul 20 2007, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(Artiste @ Jul 19 2007, 10:45 PM) Don Schneider, president of the North American division, has just identified himself and Jan Paulsen, General Conference president as the "two highest-ranking Adventist executives in North America". He is referring to the importance of their agreement on the matter of the merger between 3abn and Amazing Facts. Has the Seventh-day Adventist Church come to this: We now have corporate-type executives of the church, which is of course a corporation, and they are making public mention of their prominent ranking in endorsing this ill-fated merger? The rest of us low-ranking individuals of the corporation will no doubt fall in line with their pronouncements... Jesus, when he was on the earth, possibly would have out-ranked them, but how was he spoken of? "...as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth", "he was oppressed and he was afflicted", "he was led as a lamb to the slaughter..." Tell me what you all think about this... ***************************************** Artiste, I think this is the sentence you are referring to from the article, and I can certainly see your point: "Schneider acknowledged that sending jointly signed letters is unusual for the two highest-ranking Adventist executives in North America..." But a different perspective could be that the phrase "two highest-ranking Adventist executives" might have stemmed from the literary license of the writer (Schwisow) rather than Schneider, who may have simply acknowledged that such a letter was unusual. I surely don't know - it's just another angle to consider. ~~Snoopy~~ |
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Jul 20 2007, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE(Snoopy @ Jul 20 2007, 01:53 PM) I think this is the sentence you are referring to from the article, and I can certainly see your point: "Schneider acknowledged that sending jointly signed letters is unusual for the two highest-ranking Adventist executives in North America..." But a different perspective could be that the phrase "two highest-ranking Adventist executives" might have stemmed from the literary license of the writer (Schwisow) rather than Schneider, who may have simply acknowledged that such a letter was unusual. I surely don't know - it's just another angle to consider. Yes, that could be another way of reading the statement. ****************************************************** |
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Jul 20 2007, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(Artiste @ Jul 19 2007, 10:45 PM) Don Schneider, president of the North American division, has just identified himself and Jan Paulsen, General Conference president as the "two highest-ranking Adventist executives in North America". He is referring to the importance of their agreement on the matter of the merger between 3abn and Amazing Facts. Is it possible to post the full source of your quote? |
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Jul 20 2007, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(inga @ Jul 20 2007, 04:08 PM) Is it possible to post the full source of your quote? See page number 3 of the "Top Ten Amazing Facts..." thread, post by PeacefullyBewildered. ************************************************ |
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Jul 20 2007, 06:06 PM
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Aside from the designation of the "two top Adventist executives" by either Don Schneider or the writer of the article, I have ethical concerns about the possible (or probable) pressure being put on Adventist church leadership by an individual, no matter how well connected or powerful he may be.
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Jul 20 2007, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(Artiste @ Jul 20 2007, 05:06 PM) Aside from the designation of the "two top Adventist executives" by either Don Schneider or the writer of the article, I have ethical concerns about the possible (or probable) pressure being put on Adventist church leadership by an individual, no matter how well connected or powerful he may be. ************************************************* I hear you, Artiste. My concerns run that way as well. I hope that is not the case and the the motivation for the letter was pure. -------------------- Got Peace?
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Jul 20 2007, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(Artiste @ Jul 19 2007, 11:45 PM) Don Schneider, president of the North American division, has just identified himself and Jan Paulsen, General Conference president as the "two highest-ranking Adventist executives in North America". He is referring to the importance of their agreement on the matter of the merger between 3abn and Amazing Facts. Has the Seventh-day Adventist Church come to this: We now have corporate-type executives of the church, which is of course a corporation, and they are making public mention of their prominent ranking in endorsing this ill-fated merger? The rest of us low-ranking individuals of the corporation will no doubt fall in line with their pronouncements... Jesus, when he was on the earth, possibly would have out-ranked them, but how was he spoken of? "...as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth", "he was oppressed and he was afflicted", "he was led as a lamb to the slaughter..." Tell me what you all think about this... ***************************************** Oh it's been that for some time. However, don't discount everyone at the top. I personally know some people who currently are, or have been at the top. They don't all see the church as some corporate business. Some of them really are about the gospel and have a passion for the ministry. Some of them actually come out of the office and go "down" to where the people are. It's easy for us to focus on the negative aspects of leadership. |
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Jul 20 2007, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(pacunurse30 @ Jul 20 2007, 08:47 PM) Oh it's been that for some time. However, don't discount everyone at the top. I personally know some people who currently are, or have been at the top. They don't all see the church as some corporate business. Some of them really are about the gospel and have a passion for the ministry. Some of them actually come out of the office and go "down" to where the people are. It's easy for us to focus on the negative aspects of leadership. These guys are lightning rods of criticism. I have no idea their true character or eternal destiny, but I know that those in church leadership, especially at the conference level and higher, get a lot of unfair criticism. No matter what they do, they're going to make someone mad. The Golden Rule applies to what we say about them in any case. -------------------- "The entire world is falling apart because no one will admit they are wrong." -- Don Miller, Blue Like Jazz. |
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