Jim Gilley Takes Over As President Options

[Dallas]

I guess I’ll put my two cents into this thread; first I presently have one of the closest
working relationships with Jim Gilley I speak with him and work with him at least once a day if not more. If you want to know who he is or what he stands for, check out his sermons on the Dallas First Church Website www.dallasfirstchurch.org let his messages speak for him. Or you could just buy his book “Keep On Keepin On” he pretty much lets all the dirt from his past out in the book.

You can really tell the people on this site that have no idea who Jim is, if you think he will be anyone’s puppet you’ve not been in the office when he wants something done. I can guarantee you that he will not Puppet for anyone, except Jesus Christ! He will do what he believes that God has called him to do in every situation!

The second thing you need to know about Jim is, that he will not be stuck in the past, as some seem to be, his job is to take over from here and move forward. If people have problems with what happened before he got there let them take it up with those people. Jim is a visionary that will look to the future not the past. So don’t look for any apologize that have nothing to do with him, if you want an apology, better get that from the person who did something wrong. I do know that Jim is man enough to apologize when he has done something wrong, I know, because I have been on both the receiving and the giving end of an apology with Jim. Since he has nothing to do with the past at 3ABN don’t hold your breath for the apology.

Jim is also a healer . . . as someone who was voted out of office as a conference president in Arkansas and Louisiana only to be reinstated a short time later. Three years later at the conference constituency meeting he had a vote of better than 97% in favor to keep him. When he left the conference to go to the NAD he had almost a 99% approval rating.

We will be loosing a great leader here in Dallas when Jim leaves, but I know that God has prepared him for such a times as this, and to those of you that think he is “soft on adultery” I assure you that he sees adultery as God does. It is a sin, just like the sin of bickering and unbelief that kept the children of Israel wandering in the wilderness for another 40 years. I wonder how many years we’ve had to stay on this earth because the members of our church that seem to want to tear it down because some of the leaders happen to be human, which in no way excuses them for the sin, or the result of the sin. However, My God does say, if these people confess their sins then He will forgive them of their sins! If God has forgiven them who are we to condemn them? Better watch out for the beam! Luke 6:41!

I am sure that Jim will be entertained to know that so much time and effort has been put into discussing and projecting his effective or ineffective role as the new president of 3ABN. As in all things this thread will soon be a thing of the past, with no real lasting value. While the ministries he has been a part of continue sharing the “good news”, his only question of me will be, “what would happen if you would have spent the same amount of time you spent reading this blog site spreading the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ?”

So I leave you with this thought, Where would we be with spreading the Gospel if we spent more time on our knees or in the Word and less time on a computer blogsite . . . .

[simplysaved]

Dallas!

I happened to watch a few minutes of 3ABN last night and saw and heard Mr. Gilley. I immediately got the impression that he was his own man.

It will be interesting to watch the paradigm shift as the focus will have to move to moving forward instead of focusing on the past.

I guess I’ll put my two cents into this thread; first I presently have one of the closest
working relationships with Jim Gilley I speak with him and work with him at least once a day if not more. If you want to know who he is or what he stands for, check out his sermons on the Dallas First Church Website www.dallasfirstchurch.org let his messages speak for him. Or you could just buy his book “Keep On Keepin On” he pretty much lets all the dirt from his past out in the book.

You can really tell the people on this site that have no idea who Jim is, if you think he will be anyone’s puppet you’ve not been in the office when he wants something done. I can guarantee you that he will not Puppet for anyone, except Jesus Christ! He will do what he believes that God has called him to do in every situation!

The second thing you need to know about Jim is, that he will not be stuck in the past, as some seem to be, his job is to take over from here and move forward. If people have problems with what happened before he got there let them take it up with those people. Jim is a visionary that will look to the future not the past. So don’t look for any apologize that have nothing to do with him, if you want an apology, better get that from the person who did something wrong. I do know that Jim is man enough to apologize when he has done something wrong, I know, because I have been on both the receiving and the giving end of an apology with Jim. Since he has nothing to do with the past at 3ABN don’t hold your breath for the apology.

Jim is also a healer . . . as someone who was voted out of office as a conference president in Arkansas and Louisiana only to be reinstated a short time later. Three years later at the conference constituency meeting he had a vote of better than 97% in favor to keep him. When he left the conference to go to the NAD he had almost a 99% approval rating.

We will be loosing a great leader here in Dallas when Jim leaves, but I know that God has prepared him for such a times as this, and to those of you that think he is “soft on adultery” I assure you that he sees adultery as God does. It is a sin, just like the sin of bickering and unbelief that kept the children of Israel wandering in the wilderness for another 40 years. I wonder how many years we’ve had to stay on this earth because the members of our church that seem to want to tear it down because some of the leaders happen to be human, which in no way excuses them for the sin, or the result of the sin. However, My God does say, if these people confess their sins then He will forgive them of their sins! If God has forgiven them who are we to condemn them? Better watch out for the beam! Luke 6:41!

I am sure that Jim will be entertained to know that so much time and effort has been put into discussing and projecting his effective or ineffective role as the new president of 3ABN. As in all things this thread will soon be a thing of the past, with no real lasting value. While the ministries he has been a part of continue sharing the “good news”, his only question of me will be, “what would happen if you would have spent the same amount of time you spent reading this blog site spreading the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ?”

So I leave you with this thought, Where would we be with spreading the Gospel if we spent more time on our knees or in the Word and less time on a computer blogsite . . . .

[Artiste]

I guess I’ll put my two cents into this thread; first I presently have one of the closest
working relationships with Jim Gilley I speak with him and work with him at least once a day if not more. If you want to know who he is or what he stands for, check out his sermons on the Dallas First Church Website www.dallasfirstchurch.org let his messages speak for him. Or you could just buy his book “Keep On Keepin On” he pretty much lets all the dirt from his past out in the book.

You can really tell the people on this site that have no idea who Jim is, if you think he will be anyone’s puppet you’ve not been in the office when he wants something done. I can guarantee you that he will not Puppet for anyone, except Jesus Christ! He will do what he believes that God has called him to do in every situation!

The second thing you need to know about Jim is, that he will not be stuck in the past, as some seem to be, his job is to take over from here and move forward. If people have problems with what happened before he got there let them take it up with those people. Jim is a visionary that will look to the future not the past. So don’t look for any apologize that have nothing to do with him, if you want an apology, better get that from the person who did something wrong. I do know that Jim is man enough to apologize when he has done something wrong, I know, because I have been on both the receiving and the giving end of an apology with Jim. Since he has nothing to do with the past at 3ABN don’t hold your breath for the apology.

Jim is also a healer . . . as someone who was voted out of office as a conference president in Arkansas and Louisiana only to be reinstated a short time later. Three years later at the conference constituency meeting he had a vote of better than 97% in favor to keep him. When he left the conference to go to the NAD he had almost a 99% approval rating.

We will be loosing a great leader here in Dallas when Jim leaves, but I know that God has prepared him for such a times as this, and to those of you that think he is “soft on adultery” I assure you that he sees adultery as God does. It is a sin, just like the sin of bickering and unbelief that kept the children of Israel wandering in the wilderness for another 40 years. I wonder how many years we’ve had to stay on this earth because the members of our church that seem to want to tear it down because some of the leaders happen to be human, which in no way excuses them for the sin, or the result of the sin. However, My God does say, if these people confess their sins then He will forgive them of their sins! If God has forgiven them who are we to condemn them? Better watch out for the beam! Luke 6:41!

I am sure that Jim will be entertained to know that so much time and effort has been put into discussing and projecting his effective or ineffective role as the new president of 3ABN. As in all things this thread will soon be a thing of the past, with no real lasting value. While the ministries he has been a part of continue sharing the “good news”, his only question of me will be, “what would happen if you would have spent the same amount of time you spent reading this blog site spreading the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ?”

So I leave you with this thought, Where would we be with spreading the Gospel if we spent more time on our knees or in the Word and less time on a computer blogsite . . . .

Wow, Dallas! Way to tell everyone what's what the very first day you register on this forum!

I see that you know Pastor Jim Gilley very well, and thank you for all the information on him. You say you work with him at least one day if not more? I'm sure you don't mean "more" like every day, or even 24/7...


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[Rosyroi]

Welcome to BSDA Dallas.


Happy Sabbath....


Rosyroi



This post has been edited by Rosyroi: Sep 7 2007, 11:03 PM

[ex3ABNemployee]

I guess I’ll put my two cents into this thread; first I presently have one of the closest
working relationships with Jim Gilley I speak with him and work with him at least once a day if not more. If you want to know who he is or what he stands for, check out his sermons on the Dallas First Church Website www.dallasfirstchurch.org let his messages speak for him. Or you could just buy his book “Keep On Keepin On” he pretty much lets all the dirt from his past out in the book.

You can really tell the people on this site that have no idea who Jim is, if you think he will be anyone’s puppet you’ve not been in the office when he wants something done. I can guarantee you that he will not Puppet for anyone, except Jesus Christ! He will do what he believes that God has called him to do in every situation!

The second thing you need to know about Jim is, that he will not be stuck in the past, as some seem to be, his job is to take over from here and move forward. If people have problems with what happened before he got there let them take it up with those people. Jim is a visionary that will look to the future not the past. So don’t look for any apologize that have nothing to do with him, if you want an apology, better get that from the person who did something wrong. I do know that Jim is man enough to apologize when he has done something wrong, I know, because I have been on both the receiving and the giving end of an apology with Jim. Since he has nothing to do with the past at 3ABN don’t hold your breath for the apology.

Jim is also a healer . . . as someone who was voted out of office as a conference president in Arkansas and Louisiana only to be reinstated a short time later. Three years later at the conference constituency meeting he had a vote of better than 97% in favor to keep him. When he left the conference to go to the NAD he had almost a 99% approval rating.

We will be loosing a great leader here in Dallas when Jim leaves, but I know that God has prepared him for such a times as this, and to those of you that think he is “soft on adultery” I assure you that he sees adultery as God does. It is a sin, just like the sin of bickering and unbelief that kept the children of Israel wandering in the wilderness for another 40 years. I wonder how many years we’ve had to stay on this earth because the members of our church that seem to want to tear it down because some of the leaders happen to be human, which in no way excuses them for the sin, or the result of the sin. However, My God does say, if these people confess their sins then He will forgive them of their sins! If God has forgiven them who are we to condemn them? Better watch out for the beam! Luke 6:41!

I am sure that Jim will be entertained to know that so much time and effort has been put into discussing and projecting his effective or ineffective role as the new president of 3ABN. As in all things this thread will soon be a thing of the past, with no real lasting value. While the ministries he has been a part of continue sharing the “good news”, his only question of me will be, “what would happen if you would have spent the same amount of time you spent reading this blog site spreading the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ?”

So I leave you with this thought, Where would we be with spreading the Gospel if we spent more time on our knees or in the Word and less time on a computer blogsite . . . .

Wow! What an encouraging post!

Let me be the first to say that if Elder Gilley proves to be as you say, I am a big enough man to eat my words. I was simply going on past experience with Danny's "selections" for people who fill positions. Perhaps I will be proven wrong this time. For the sake of 3ABN's future, I certainly hope I am.

Thank you for your insight, and welcome to BSDA!

[Artiste]

I guess I’ll put my two cents into this thread; first I presently have one of the closest
working relationships with Jim Gilley I speak with him and work with him at least once a day if not more. If you want to know who he is or what he stands for, check out his sermons on the Dallas First Church Website www.dallasfirstchurch.org let his messages speak for him. Or you could just buy his book “Keep On Keepin On” he pretty much lets all the dirt from his past out in the book.

You can really tell the people on this site that have no idea who Jim is, if you think he will be anyone’s puppet you’ve not been in the office when he wants something done. I can guarantee you that he will not Puppet for anyone, except Jesus Christ! He will do what he believes that God has called him to do in every situation!

The second thing you need to know about Jim is, that he will not be stuck in the past, as some seem to be, his job is to take over from here and move forward. If people have problems with what happened before he got there let them take it up with those people. Jim is a visionary that will look to the future not the past. So don’t look for any apologize that have nothing to do with him, if you want an apology, better get that from the person who did something wrong. I do know that Jim is man enough to apologize when he has done something wrong, I know, because I have been on both the receiving and the giving end of an apology with Jim. Since he has nothing to do with the past at 3ABN don’t hold your breath for the apology.

Jim is also a healer . . . as someone who was voted out of office as a conference president in Arkansas and Louisiana only to be reinstated a short time later. Three years later at the conference constituency meeting he had a vote of better than 97% in favor to keep him. When he left the conference to go to the NAD he had almost a 99% approval rating.

We will be loosing a great leader here in Dallas when Jim leaves, but I know that God has prepared him for such a times as this, and to those of you that think he is “soft on adultery” I assure you that he sees adultery as God does. It is a sin, just like the sin of bickering and unbelief that kept the children of Israel wandering in the wilderness for another 40 years. I wonder how many years we’ve had to stay on this earth because the members of our church that seem to want to tear it down because some of the leaders happen to be human, which in no way excuses them for the sin, or the result of the sin. However, My God does say, if these people confess their sins then He will forgive them of their sins! If God has forgiven them who are we to condemn them? Better watch out for the beam! Luke 6:41!

I am sure that Jim will be entertained to know that so much time and effort has been put into discussing and projecting his effective or ineffective role as the new president of 3ABN. As in all things this thread will soon be a thing of the past, with no real lasting value. While the ministries he has been a part of continue sharing the “good news”, his only question of me will be, “what would happen if you would have spent the same amount of time you spent reading this blog site spreading the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ?”

So I leave you with this thought, Where would we be with spreading the Gospel if we spent more time on our knees or in the Word and less time on a computer blogsite . . . .

I'm happy that Pastor Jim will be looking toward to future rather than back at the past, but why the emphasis on "no apologies"?


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This post has been edited by Artiste: Sep 7 2007, 11:01 PM

[WillowRun]

I remember Elder Gilley from when I was a member of an ArkLA conference church. Elder Gilley did his job and made no waves that made it to my corner of the world. I hope that he can turn 3abn around and restore our faith in this organization.

Respectfully,

Willow Run

[Dallas]

I'm happy that Pastor Jim will be looking toward to future rather than back at the past, but why the emphasis on "no apologies"?
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First, thanks for all the welcomes to the Forum not Blog sorry my bad!!

1)When you apologize for something that you had nothing to do with it implies that you did have something to do with it!
I am sure that Jim is sorry for all the pain on all sides the troubles have caused!

2)If you have nothing to do with a problem you can get sucked back into all the hard feelings the problem caused if you
start apologizing for "once again" something you had nothing to do with.

3) I believe we will all agree that what we need most to continue the spreading of the Gospel is a Clean Slate and to begin
apologizing for the past things will only get us stuck in the quagmire that is the past! If he apologizes to one person and not
another, or one group and not another or apologizes for one thing and not another or forgot that one person was offended for
this reason and another was offended for that, someone is going to get offended - and he had NOTHING to do with it! I hope you
get my point!!

I hope you will all join us live tomorrow as Jim shares with our congregation that he is leaving. www.dallasfirstchurch.org and judge for
yourself the kind of man he is!!


Happy Sabbath to you all

This post has been edited by Dallas: Sep 7 2007, 11:42 PM

[Fran]

I guess I’ll put my two cents into this thread; first I presently have one of the closest
working relationships with Jim Gilley I speak with him and work with him at least once a day if not more. If you want to know who he is or what he stands for, check out his sermons on the Dallas First Church Website www.dallasfirstchurch.org let his messages speak for him. Or you could just buy his book “Keep On Keepin On” he pretty much lets all the dirt from his past out in the book.

You can really tell the people on this site that have no idea who Jim is, if you think he will be any one's puppet you’ve not been in the office when he wants something done. I can guarantee you that he will not Puppet for anyone, except Jesus Christ! He will do what he believes that God has called him to do in every situation!

The second thing you need to know about Jim is, that he will not be stuck in the past, as some seem to be, his job is to take over from here and move forward. If people have problems with what happened before he got there let them take it up with those people. Jim is a visionary that will look to the future not the past. So don’t look for any apologize that have nothing to do with him, if you want an apology, better get that from the person who did something wrong. I do know that Jim is man enough to apologize when he has done something wrong, I know, because I have been on both the receiving and the giving end of an apology with Jim. Since he has nothing to do with the past at 3ABN don’t hold your breath for the apology.

Jim is also a healer . . . as someone who was voted out of office as a conference president in Arkansas and Louisiana only to be reinstated a short time later. Three years later at the conference constituency meeting he had a vote of better than 97% in favor to keep him. When he left the conference to go to the NAD he had almost a 99% approval rating.

We will be loosing a great leader here in Dallas when Jim leaves, but I know that God has prepared him for such a times as this, and to those of you that think he is “soft on adultery” I assure you that he sees adultery as God does. It is a sin, just like the sin of bickering and unbelief that kept the children of Israel wandering in the wilderness for another 40 years. I wonder how many years we’ve had to stay on this earth because the members of our church that seem to want to tear it down because some of the leaders happen to be human, which in no way excuses them for the sin, or the result of the sin. However, My God does say, if these people confess their sins then He will forgive them of their sins! If God has forgiven them who are we to condemn them? Better watch out for the beam! Luke 6:41!

I am sure that Jim will be entertained to know that so much time and effort has been put into discussing and projecting his effective or ineffective role as the new president of 3ABN. As in all things this thread will soon be a thing of the past, with no real lasting value. While the ministries he has been a part of continue sharing the “good news”, his only question of me will be, “what would happen if you would have spent the same amount of time you spent reading this blog site spreading the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ?”

So I leave you with this thought, Where would we be with spreading the Gospel if we spent more time on our knees or in the Word and less time on a computer blog-site . . . .

Dallas;

Thank you for your thoughts. I totally agree with most of what you said.

Just remember, if it had not been for this forum, everyone would still be sending their money to 3ABN and Danny would continue to keep on keeping on. Jim would still be in Dallas. It is because people were impressed by God to do something about it. Because of the documentation released to the public, a knowledge of wrong doing is apparent. It is because of forums such as this that have brought the opportunity for Jim to even be at 3ABN. God works in mysterious ways doesn't he.

To say that there will be no apologies from Jim for Danny Shelton. Think of that on terms of your church.

NOTE: THIS IS NOT A TRUE COMPARISON, BUT ONLT AN EXAMPLE.
Let's say Jim came to Dallas and most of the members were inactive! The previous pastor chased them all off. They were in great debt. The members became discouraged and changed churches because if the debt burden. There was a real problem with the head Elder! Jim could see the Dallas church was in really bad shape. The contractors were suing to get paid and creditors had cut the Dallas church credit off!

Jim takes the call because he believes God can use him in a mighty way. HE tackles things one at a time. The point being this; when he took the pastorate, he took on all of the current problems too. They became his problem. They became his responsibility!

STORY OVER.

Jim will probably never say a bad word about Danny Shelton, but he is taking on the today condition of 3ABN. The Lawsuit is by 3ABN AND Danny Shelton! This is part and parcel of the Presidency and being CEO. Jim inherited everything! Like it or not, that is the way it is.

Now, we will wait and see if Jim is the chosen one of God. Will he have the backbone to stand up against Danny? Will he have the backbone to stand against McNeilus? We all wait with baited breath. We want him to succeed! We need him to succeed! 3ABN needs to be saved! That has been the goal of most of us.

I am ready to drop the scandal as soon as the victims of Tommy Shelton have been provided restoration. Plus, all of the victims of Danny Shelton in particular, be exonerated and receive restitution. Yes, this would include Linda, the co-founder! She too should be a paid consultant.

I believe Jim will tackle this head on and do his own investigation. He needs to read every side! Then he needs to allow time for reconciliation. As time passes, people will judge the new 3ABN for/by their transparency in all their actions and nothing will be hidden.

In the mean time, I can wait. I had to wait years for this! I can wait until 2009, no sweat! Just remind Jim that it took from 2003 to today to get to this point. I pray that Jim will totally lean on the Lord to restore that which was destroyed. That is my prayer. He must build a new 3ABN!
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Pass the word to Jim to get new accounting software called Shelby! Close all those loopholes where money is seeping out. It is a pretty tight system and it is for Non-profit entities. The Texas Conference uses it. I believe the Union uses it too. Tell Jim to get the fastest independent audit possible, lest he be blamed for past issues continuing into the new organization of 3ABN. I am dead serious here. Pass the word.

My suggestion would be to get the software installed ASAP, and hire the software company to do the training. Then pick the 1st of the following month as the change over. One the end of one day stop using what is there! Wake up the next day where the old system is not operable to anyone except for accountants who will be closing the month and transferring beginning balances over to the new software.

Yeah, cold turkey! It will be a cultural shock for sure.

Welcome to BSDA!

[Artiste]

First, thanks for all the welcomes to the Forum not Blog sorry my bad!!

1)When you apologize for something that you had nothing to do with it implies that you did have something to do with it!
I am sure that Jim is sorry for all the pain on all sides the troubles have caused!

2)If you have nothing to do with a problem you can get sucked back into all the hard feelings the problem caused if you
start apologizing for "once again" something you had nothing to do with.

3) I believe we will all agree that what we need most to continue the spreading of the Gospel is a Clean Slate and to begin
apologizing for the past things will only get us stuck in the quagmire that is the past! If he apologizes to one person and not
another, or one group and not another or apologizes for one thing and not another or forgot that one person was offended for
this reason and another was offended for that, someone is going to get offended - and he had NOTHING to do with it! I hope you
get my point!!

I hope you will all join us live tomorrow as Jim shares with our congregation that he is leaving. www.dallasfirstchurch.org and judge for
yourself the kind of man he is!!
Happy Sabbath to you all

I'm glad that Elder Gilley is sensitive to the pain of others.

By the "pain on all sides the troubles have caused", would Elder Gilley have happened to communicate to you which sides specifically he was referring to?


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[Dallas]

[quote name='Fran' date='Sep 8 2007, 12:42 AM' post='214248']
Dallas;

Thank you for your thoughts. I totally agree with most of what you said.

Just remember, if it had not been for this forum, everyone would still be sending their money to 3ABN and Danny would continue to keep on keeping on. Jim would still be in Dallas. It is because people were impressed by God to do something about it. Because of the documentation released to the public, a knowledge of wrong doing is apparent. It is because of forums such as this that have brought the opportunity for Jim to even be at 3ABN. God works in mysterious ways doesn't he.


Now that you put it like that!! I hate this forum someone needs to apologize to our congregation for robbing us of our Pastor we don’t want to see him go!

While I jokingly say that, you have indirectly taken credit or at least given credit to the owners of this forum for hurting many people in our congregation by the actions taken here. Should we be expecting any official apologies from this forum. {please note I am saying forum now and not blog} BWG

Seriously
I have actually seen a case very similar to your “story” and no the new pastor does not apologize for the wrongs that happened he does however attempt to move forward and make amends for the wrongs that happened where he can. And yes even has to pay the bills that are run up from the wrongs that happen. However, we have to believe that whatever the “investigation” shows that the person God choice for the job will make it right even if it is not what we believe the truth is, often times when administrators are given these types of responsibilities they can’t just sit down on a forum and tell the world what they know. So in some cases we may just have to believe that God is truly in charge and as I told Jim don’t worry if God wants you out of there if you don’t do his will you maybe grazing on grass for seven years like good old King Nebuchadnezzar.

So due to privacy issues on all sides, sometimes we who are watching have to believe those who are appointed by God will do the right things about the past, and then judge them on their future results as I have prayed for and with Jim over the past couple of weeks over this call I am sure that he was called by God even though it hurts me more than any of you may ever know!

If my brother slaps you, and does not apologize, and I do, all I have done is sympathize with you, because only the offender can give a true apology. I am sure that Jim is sympathetic to the pain caused in all cases; and I am sure he will work to make right what he can, however, we should not judge on what we believe is the truth because there is always more than one view point on any disagreement

So lets all rejoice in the New Day for 3ABN and finish this work and go home, what do you say!

[Dallas]

I'm glad that Elder Gilley is sensitive to the pain of others.

By the "pain on all sides the troubles have caused", would Elder Gilley have happened to communicate to you which sides specifically he was referring to?
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If he did or did not I do not believe it would be ethical for me to discuss.

This post has been edited by Dallas: Sep 8 2007, 12:52 AM

[Artiste]

Dallas;

Thank you for your thoughts. I totally agree with most of what you said.

Just remember, if it had not been for this forum, everyone would still be sending their money to 3ABN and Danny would continue to keep on keeping on. Jim would still be in Dallas. It is because people were impressed by God to do something about it. Because of the documentation released to the public, a knowledge of wrong doing is apparent. It is because of forums such as this that have brought the opportunity for Jim to even be at 3ABN. God works in mysterious ways doesn't he.
Now that you put it like that!! I hate this forum someone needs to apologize to our congregation for robbing us of our Pastor we don’t want to see him go!

While I jokingly say that, you have indirectly taken credit or at least given credit to the owners of this forum for hurting many people in our congregation by the actions taken here. Should we be expecting any official apologies from this forum. {please note I am saying forum now and not blog} BWG

Seriously
I have actually seen a case very similar to your “story” and no the new pastor does not apologize for the wrongs that happened he does however attempt to move forward and make amends for the wrongs that happened where he can. And yes even has to pay the bills that are run up from the wrongs that happen. However, we have to believe that whatever the “investigation” shows that the person God choice for the job will make it right even if it is not what we believe the truth is, often times when administrators are given these types of responsibilities they can’t just sit down on a forum and tell the world what they know. So in some cases we may just have to believe that God is truly in charge and as I told Jim don’t worry if God wants you out of there if you don’t do his will you maybe grazing on grass for seven years like good old King Nebuchadnezzar.

So due to privacy issues on all sides, sometimes we who are watching have to believe those who are appointed by God will do the right things about the past, and then judge them on their future results as I have prayed for and with Jim over the past couple of weeks over this call I am sure that he was called by God even though it hurts me more than any of you may ever know!

If my brother slaps you, and does not apologize, and I do, all I have done is sympathize with you, because only the offender can give a true apology. I am sure that Jim is sympathetic to the pain caused in all cases; and I am sure he will work to make right what he can, however, we should not judge on what we believe is the truth because there is always more than one view point on any disagreement

So lets all rejoice in the New Day for 3ABN and finish this work and go home, what do you say!

Are you sure that the administrators know more than some of the people on this forum?


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[Fran]

Dallas;

Thank you for your thoughts. I totally agree with most of what you said.

Just remember, if it had not been for this forum, everyone would still be sending their money to 3ABN and Danny would continue to keep on keeping on. Jim would still be in Dallas. It is because people were impressed by God to do something about it. Because of the documentation released to the public, a knowledge of wrong doing is apparent. It is because of forums such as this that have brought the opportunity for Jim to even be at 3ABN. God works in mysterious ways doesn't he.

Now that you put it like that!! I hate this forum someone needs to apologize to our congregation for robbing us of our Pastor we don’t want to see him go!

While I jokingly say that, you have indirectly taken credit or at least given credit to the owners of this forum for hurting many people in our congregation by the actions taken here. Should we be expecting any official apologies from this forum. {please note I am saying forum now and not blog} BWG

Seriously
I have actually seen a case very similar to your “story” and no the new pastor does not apologize for the wrongs that happened he does however attempt to move forward and make amends for the wrongs that happened where he can. And yes even has to pay the bills that are run up from the wrongs that happen. However, we have to believe that whatever the “investigation” shows that the person God choice for the job will make it right even if it is not what we believe the truth is, often times when administrators are given these types of responsibilities they can’t just sit down on a forum and tell the world what they know. So in some cases we may just have to believe that God is truly in charge and as I told Jim don’t worry if God wants you out of there if you don’t do his will you maybe grazing on grass for seven years like good old King Nebuchadnezzar.

So due to privacy issues on all sides, sometimes we who are watching have to believe those who are appointed by God will do the right things about the past, and then judge them on their future results as I have prayed for and with Jim over the past couple of weeks over this call I am sure that he was called by God even though it hurts me more than any of you may ever know!

If my brother slaps you, and does not apologize, and I do, all I have done is sympathize with you, because only the offender can give a true apology. I am sure that Jim is sympathetic to the pain caused in all cases; and I am sure he will work to make right what he can, however, we should not judge on what we believe is the truth because there is always more than one view point on any disagreement

So lets all rejoice in the New Day for 3ABN and finish this work and go home, what do you say!

I guess I failed to make a clear statement about apologies. I agree that he should not apologize to anyone for Danny's actions. I believe God will have to apologize for taking Jim away from you guys! I am open minded enough to believe this could very well be the miracle we have been praying for so long.

If however, harm has come to others because of 3ABN the entity, 3ABN must make it right! That is the responsibility of the Prez/CEO. That comes with the position! I was surprised that others believe he should apologize for actions of others. I believe I was thinking more along the lines of restitution. If Jim walks in and erases everything from the chalk board notations, he will have failed in his mission. That is why I said we would have to wait and see.

You are blessed to have a personal relationship with Jim. I know him and his wife, but have no personal relationship from which to base any opinion on. I knew him as pastor in Arlington and in Dallas. I followed his career in between. My opinions are based on that and that only. No matter who stepped into 3ABN, they must prove their worth.

Was this person God's choice or Danny's choice?
Maybe he was McNeilus' choice?
What will he do about all the accounting fiasco?
Is Jim a puppet or a knight?

These things you are sure you know. For me, it is wait and see what the fruits of the spirit will be manifest. This does not mean I am for or against Jim. It does mean that I expect change that is real and apparent.

After Sabbath I will tell where my doubts lie. In the mean time, I can wait.

Thanks for your response. I am not holding my breath to hear Jim apologize for Danny's actions for sure!. However, Danny owes an apology to many. As an employee of 3ABN, he should be required to say he is sorry, as a paid employee of 3ABN!

[Observer]

I guess I’ll put my two cents into this thread; first I presently have one of the closest
working relationships with Jim Gilley I speak with him and work with him at least once a day if not more. If you want to know who he is or what he stands for, check out his sermons on the Dallas First Church Website www.dallasfirstchurch.org let his messages speak for him. Or you could just buy his book “Keep On Keepin On” he pretty much lets all the dirt from his past out in the book.

You can really tell the people on this site that have no idea who Jim is, if you think he will be anyone’s puppet you’ve not been in the office when he wants something done. I can guarantee you that he will not Puppet for anyone, except Jesus Christ! He will do what he believes that God has called him to do in every situation!

The second thing you need to know about Jim is, that he will not be stuck in the past, as some seem to be, his job is to take over from here and move forward. If people have problems with what happened before he got there let them take it up with those people. Jim is a visionary that will look to the future not the past. So don’t look for any apologize that have nothing to do with him, if you want an apology, better get that from the person who did something wrong. I do know that Jim is man enough to apologize when he has done something wrong, I know, because I have been on both the receiving and the giving end of an apology with Jim. Since he has nothing to do with the past at 3ABN don’t hold your breath for the apology.

Jim is also a healer . . . as someone who was voted out of office as a conference president in Arkansas and Louisiana only to be reinstated a short time later. Three years later at the conference constituency meeting he had a vote of better than 97% in favor to keep him. When he left the conference to go to the NAD he had almost a 99% approval rating.

We will be loosing a great leader here in Dallas when Jim leaves, but I know that God has prepared him for such a times as this, and to those of you that think he is “soft on adultery” I assure you that he sees adultery as God does. It is a sin, just like the sin of bickering and unbelief that kept the children of Israel wandering in the wilderness for another 40 years. I wonder how many years we’ve had to stay on this earth because the members of our church that seem to want to tear it down because some of the leaders happen to be human, which in no way excuses them for the sin, or the result of the sin. However, My God does say, if these people confess their sins then He will forgive them of their sins! If God has forgiven them who are we to condemn them? Better watch out for the beam! Luke 6:41!

I am sure that Jim will be entertained to know that so much time and effort has been put into discussing and projecting his effective or ineffective role as the new president of 3ABN. As in all things this thread will soon be a thing of the past, with no real lasting value. While the ministries he has been a part of continue sharing the “good news”, his only question of me will be, “what would happen if you would have spent the same amount of time you spent reading this blog site spreading the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ?”

So I leave you with this thought, Where would we be with spreading the Gospel if we spent more time on our knees or in the Word and less time on a computer blogsite . . . .

Thank you for joining us in this discussion of the ongoing events at 3-ABN. Your personal knowledge is helpful and welcomed. There is a consistency in what you and others are all saying about him. It has been said that he will not be involved in what has happened in the past, he will only move forward to the future. It may be that those who are saying such are not presenting his position well. But it is troubling to hear such about him.

As President of 3-ABN Elder Gilley does not have the option to refuse to deal with unresolved issues from the past. As a corporate voice for 3-ABN it may be that the time will come when it will be appropriate for him to issue a public apology in the name of the corporation for actions of the past. The implication that he would refuse to do so even if appropriate is troubling.

I am not convinced that Elder Gilley would refuse to do so. As I said, it simply may be that those who say this about him may not be representing him well.

While those comments are troubling, I also find comments about him that are encourageing.

I have publicly asked people to give him a clean slate, and time to demonstrate how he will lead as 3-ABN President. Only time will tell if he can effectively take control of 3-ABN. Only time will demonstrate if he will lead it in the direction that God wants 3-ABN led--whatever direction that may be.

Like all of us, he has his strengths and his weaknesses. It may be, if he is corectly understood, that one of his weaknesses is a refusal to deal with the unresolved past. If that is accurate, and it may not be, he will likely have some lessons to learn. No corporate President can simply dismiss issues from the past that are current, and expect them to simply go away. The lawsuit is a current issue. He will be required to deal with it, and to be involved in current legal decisions regarding legal strategy. He cannot say, as some have said, that he will not be involved it that lawsuit. If an out-of-court settlement is reached, he will be required, as President, to be involved in that settlement. The 3-ABN Board, and Dr. Walter Thompson, as its Chair, has made public statements in regard to Linda Shelton. Elder Gilley, as President, will be required to be involved in decisions in regard to any future statements about her and their content. He cannot escape that responsibility. If he thinks that he can escape these responsibilities, he simply does not understand the issues and responsibilities that he has assumed.

I will say again that we should give him time to demonstrate how he will lead 3-ABN in the future. It may be that those speaking for/about him are not representing him well. It may be that he will learn that he cannot exempt himself form current issues. It may be that he will lead exactly as God would want him to lead. We need to give him time. We need to pray for him, and 3-ABN.

But, we also need to say clearly that the past must be dwelt with, and he will have to exercise leadership in that.


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