3abn Employees Not Getting Annual Raises?, Does anyone know more? Options

[lowender]

Curious, isn't it?

[Clay]

Curious, isn't it?

curious why? a lot of employees are not getting raises and some haven't gotten raises in a few years... so there is a point you mentioned this, please share...

[Seraphim7]

curious why? a lot of employees are not getting raises and some haven't gotten raises in a few years... so there is a point you mentioned this, please share...

And, will upper management get their raises?

[Clay]

And, will upper management get their raises?

that is not known is it?

[Observer]

And, will upper management get their raises?

Read the IRS 990s. The should answer your question in regard to the top few.

According to the 2006 IRS 990 here is the value of the compensation package paid to the following:

Danny Shelton $72,802.00

Larry Ewing 60,585.00

Moses Primo 63,026.00

Leonard Westphal 51,272.00

Check the 2007 and 2008 990s when they become available to see if any of the above recieved a raise.

NOTE: I will suggest that all of the above probably were underpaid. I do not criticize any of the above amounts being paid to the listed individuals.

It is not known as to what it means by total compensation package. Part of the above would typically be some sort of deferred compensation and could include health benefits as well as a retirement package. I am aware that it is stated that 3-ABN does not have a retirement package for employees. On the assumption that such is true, it can reasonably be expected that individualy earning the above amounts have individually chosen to participate in an IRS approved individual retirement plan. Under such a circumstanace, they would have an earned retirement benefit due to their 3-ABN employment which would allow 3-ABN to truthfully say that they do not provide a retirement plan for their employees, yet some of their employees would have an earned retirement.

Do I know that the above have chosen to paraticipate in an individual retirement plan. No. I do not. But, in my thinking that would be the prudent thing to do. I have to assume that the above individuals are informed enough to do so.



This post has been edited by Observer: Nov 2 2007, 11:44 AM

[sister]

The average 3ABN employee barely scraps by each month, at the very best. They have no retiremant plan nor do they have the funds to paraticipate in an individual retirement plan. Observer, I know you mean well when you say you have no problem with the salaries of the top employees at 3ABN, in fact you believe they should receive more. But I have a problem with it. This is supposed to be a ministry and should not be judged by the same standards as corperate America. The inequality of wages at 3ABN is a slap in the face of honest ministries.

According to the USA department of labor, the mean annual wage for a television camera operator (2005) is $36,560., if it is cable or other subscription programming the mean annual wage raises to $44,670. Camera operators at 3ABN earn less than half of the former mean annual wage. Most 3ABN employees earn so little that they qualify for public assistance.

Observer, Danny is very fond of saying that 3ABN is a ministry and the employees need to sacrifice for the ministry in regard to their pay. Why is it that Danny and a select few of his cronies in management positions are not asked to make the same sacrifices? This is a ministry, right? Or is it like George Orwell's novel Animal Farm? All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than other animals... The Bible says a workman is worthy of his hire. It appears that Danny is not aquainted with that scripture, perhaps he is too busy in his role as a "prophet".

This post has been edited by sister: Nov 2 2007, 10:13 PM

[TruthWave]

The average 3ABN employee barely scraps by each month, at the very best. They have no retiremant plan nor do they have the funds to paraticipate in an individual retirement plan. Observer, I know you mean well when you say you have no problem with the salaries of the top employees at 3ABN, in fact you believe they should receive more. But I have a problem with it. This is supposed to be a ministry and should not be judged by the same standards as corperate America. The inequality of wages at 3ABN is a slap in the face of honest ministries.

According to the USA department of labor, the mean annual wage for a television camera operator (2005) is $36,560., if it is cable or other subscription programming the mean annual wage raises to $44,670. Camera operators at 3ABN earn less than half of the former mean annual wage. Most 3ABN employees earn so little that they qualify for public assistance.

Observer, Danny is very fond of saying that 3ABN is a ministry and the employees need to sacrifice for the ministry in regard to their pay. Why is it that Danny and a select few of his cronies in management positions are not asked to make the same sacrifices? This is a ministry, right? Or is it like George Orwell's novel Animal Farm? All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than other animals... The Bible says a workman is worthy of his hire. It appears that Danny is not aquainted with that scripture, perhaps he is too busy in his role as a "prophet".

This pattern of dramatic salary differences, from the highest to the lowest, is now pervasive in the SDA church in the NAD. It wasn't always so. There is definitely a food chain now, and if you are at the bottom of the chain, you might not be eating very good!

This post has been edited by TruthWave: Nov 2 2007, 10:53 PM

[lowender]

Curious in the light that we know that Danny now drives a brand new Corvette...

[Panama_Pete]

The average 3ABN employee barely scraps by each month, at the very best. They have no retirement plan nor do they have the funds to paraticipate in an individual retirement plan. Observer, I know you mean well when you say you have no problem with the salaries of the top employees at 3ABN, in fact you believe they should receive more. But I have a problem with it. This is supposed to be a ministry and should not be judged by the same standards as corperate America. The inequality of wages at 3ABN is a slap in the face of honest ministries.

According to the USA department of labor, the mean annual wage for a television camera operator (2005) is $36,560., if it is cable or other subscription programming the mean annual wage raises to $44,670. Camera operators at 3ABN earn less than half of the former mean annual wage. Most 3ABN employees earn so little that they qualify for public assistance.

Observer, Danny is very fond of saying that 3ABN is a ministry and the employees need to sacrifice for the ministry in regard to their pay. Why is it that Danny and a select few of his cronies in management positions are not asked to make the same sacrifices? This is a ministry, right? Or is it like George Orwell's novel Animal Farm? All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than other animals... The Bible says a workman is worthy of his hire. It appears that Danny is not aquainted with that scripture, perhaps he is too busy in his role as a "prophet".

Besides George Orwell let us consider Tennessee Williams.

If any corporation has a "no labor unions" belief system installed, the low-level employees of that corporation have to depend upon the kindness of strangers, as did Blanche DuBois in Tennessee Williams' A Streetcar Named Desire . Some strangers are nice. However, some are not so nice: They can sometimes be more like Blanche's nemesis, Stanley Kowalski, described as a "survivor of the stone age."

[Clay]

The average 3ABN employee barely scraps by each month, at the very best. They have no retiremant plan nor do they have the funds to paraticipate in an individual retirement plan. Observer, I know you mean well when you say you have no problem with the salaries of the top employees at 3ABN, in fact you believe they should receive more. But I have a problem with it. This is supposed to be a ministry and should not be judged by the same standards as corperate America. The inequality of wages at 3ABN is a slap in the face of honest ministries.

According to the USA department of labor, the mean annual wage for a television camera operator (2005) is $36,560., if it is cable or other subscription programming the mean annual wage raises to $44,670. Camera operators at 3ABN earn less than half of the former mean annual wage. Most 3ABN employees earn so little that they qualify for public assistance.

Observer, Danny is very fond of saying that 3ABN is a ministry and the employees need to sacrifice for the ministry in regard to their pay. Why is it that Danny and a select few of his cronies in management positions are not asked to make the same sacrifices? This is a ministry, right? Or is it like George Orwell's novel Animal Farm? All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than other animals... The Bible says a workman is worthy of his hire. It appears that Danny is not aquainted with that scripture, perhaps he is too busy in his role as a "prophet".

then as I have said long ago, the underpaid need to plan their escape and leave that foolishness... staying in that situation and enduring abuse is not required nor will it earn one brownie points with God....

[caribbean sda]

Curious in the light that we know that Danny now drives a brand new Corvette...

hmm...I never would have guessed that Danny and someone we all know and love right here (if you call the name, I will whistle) has the same taste in articles of conveyance...who would have imagined...












sorry...I couldn't resist...

This post has been edited by caribbean sda: Nov 3 2007, 05:25 AM

[Clay]

Curious in the light that we know that Danny now drives a brand new Corvette...

define brand new.... I have a vette, I've been looking at vettes, the prices for a "new vette" are all over the place.... is it s 2006 (there are still some of them around that are brand new), is it a 2007 (some deeply discounted, is it a regular vette, one with all the gadgets, or is it a Z06?

You can get a "brand new" vette for as little as (yes little is relative I know) $37,500. Or the top of the line for about $75,000. So when you say brand new vette you aren't telling me enough to know what he might have paid..... its easier to get into a vette than people think, and some people or businesses lease them, which is a whole different scenario..... so do you have anymore info than what you have shared thus far?

[Clay]

hmm...I never would have guessed that Danny and someone we all know and love right here (if you call the name, I will whistle) has the same taste in articles of conveyance...who would have imagined...
sorry...I couldn't resist...

you are pushin my buttons...... see keep it up and we gonna have to do something about that "card" you have..... lol

[caribbean sda]

you are pushin my buttons...... see keep it up and we gonna have to do something about that "card" you have..... lol

nothing but love, GM, nothing but love...you know it's all good like that...I'm just a caribbean oops...I mean


...guess I didn't need to whistle, eh? OK...back to the topic at hand, which was...oh yeah...the lack of annual raises for 3ABN employees...they aren't the only employees not receiving an annual raise...that's not uncommon these days.

This post has been edited by caribbean sda: Nov 3 2007, 05:39 AM

[Clay]

nothing but love, GM, nothing but love...you know it's all good like that...I'm just a caribbean oops...I mean
...guess I didn't need to whistle, eh? OK...back to the topic at hand, which was...oh yeah...the lack of annual raises for 3ABN employees...they aren't the only employees not receiving an annual raise...that's not uncommon these days.

correct, there are many employees who don't get a raise and the head of that company probably is living large.... yeah I know the expectation is that Danny is a christian and that he should live a certain lifestyle, but that is between Danny and God.... if employees don't like how they are being treated, or how Danny is running things, in the U.S. you still have the option of going to work elsewhere.... so IMO the responsibility is on the employee who does not like how they are being treated.... Move on.....