Dr. Kuzma's Response..., her response to my letter Options

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As you remember, I emailed her a couple of days ago.... here is her response to me....

"Steve, You have errored in judging my role at 3ABN to be a "counselor." It was not. Just thought you ought to know before publishing your account. Thanks for checking with me. You have some interesting comments. They serve little purpose, however, if you have not checked out the truth of your theories with the people involved. God bless, Kay "


To refresh your memory here is my email to her... I am disappointed with her response, but expected as much.... Note that I never said that she was a counselor at 3ABN.

Dear Dr. Kuzma,
I have read your response to the members that frequent BlackSDA regarding the recent happenings at 3ABN. While I can only assume your intentions were noble, your response appeared to suggest Mr. Shelton was the "innocent victim" while Linda Shelton was completely at fault. I question the wisdom of you sharing the particulars in this situation given your vocation as a counselor. From your response it appears that you were not counseling Linda, and if that is the case then confidentiality would not be an issue, however as a fellow christian it would seem that you would have erred on the side of caution and not shared what your perceptions were. One could conclude from your response that Linda was deeply involved in an illicit relationship that she refused to end.

As a counselor you know that people who are forced into counseling are usually resistant to counseling. You are probably also aware that the person who is taken to a counselor is usually not the one who needs counseling, that it may be the whole family who is in need. I seriously question your motives for making your response public and indirectly supporting Mr. Shelton in this situation. No one has shared what Mr. Shelton did, or what his actions were though all this, and the onesidedness of the reports is inherently unfair. I am disappointed that you would add fuel to the fires of speculation and in essence accuse Mrs. Shelton of something she has repeatedly denied.

I do not expect a response because you don't have to justify your actions to me. I will be sharing my email with those members of BlackSDA just to let them know that I think your actions were not appropriate, highly questionable, and added nothing constructive to this mess. As a Christian I think God would have us take the higher road, and because you have had years of counseling it seems that you would have known better.....

Sincerely,

Steve Claborn

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oh well I guess she didn't really read with understanding. like I said in another post Adventists use Adventists like Jehovahs Witnessess use JW's in situations like this with no good outcome. Like Father like Son...

[Clay]

I would prefer a no response than a superficial one... her response bascially says, yes I responded to him. Her response however has no substance, and does not address anything I covered in my email to her... I never said she was a counselor, yet she attempts to correct something I never said.... such is life...

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I would prefer a no response than a superficial one... her response bascially says, yes I responded to him. Her response however has no substance, and does not address anything I covered in my email to her... I never said she was a counselor, yet she attempts to correct something I never said.... such is life...

Giving her the benefit of the doubt she could be very drained from all this mess, you know. This has probably taken a toll on a lot of people involved...

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Fair enough Paradise... why not say that? "Steve, got your email, cannot comment on the issues you raised, this has been a draining experience, keep everyone in prayer"..... she could have said that, could she not?

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Fair enough Paradise... why not say that? "Steve, got your email, cannot comment on the issues you raised, this has been a draining experience, keep everyone in prayer"..... she could have said that, could she not?

Yeah of course she could have said that, but I think in all fairness of people we have to understand that this has been a ruckus from the beginning. I don't know why she answered the way she did, but I don't think she was just brushing you off. Steve this is some major stuff, and I can only say that there needs to be healing from this now that it's basically over. We can't question every move that was made, but I would like to think that Kay had those two divorced people's best interest at hand. I don't know, but I am not about to continue railing everyone that was involved. It's basically over, and we don't need anyone to ask us to pray we just need to do it. It's time for healing now...

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Perhaps.... but if it is over, why is Linda's name/reputation still being attacked?

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Perhaps.... but if it is over, why is Linda's name/reputation still being attacked?

Steve I can't really answer that but if you ask me Linda was innocent from the start and her behavior has been very well from the get go. Even if she did what was put out there Steve, she never renounced her faith in God. What more can we ask of Linda than to stay faithful to her God. They put it out there like she was going in another direction like she had forsaken her God, but she is still lifting the name of Jesus, WHAT MORE CAN WE ASK OF HER. I think she will have a testimony for a lot of those who are falsely accused or used...

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True Paradise... and maybe that will be good enough...

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True Paradise... and maybe that will be good enough...

Hopefully, I can only say that I don't know what happened, but Steve I look at it like this, Jesus always talk about having mercy instead of sacrifice and that didn't take place with this 3ABN situation. We learn a lot from things around us, I don't think any of us will really know the in's and out's of this situation but we can pray for her, I think a heart of compassion for Linda is more than needed at this time. You know just as well as I that even if she was guilty of the charges there was going to be more sacrificing than mercy, and Jesus asks for mercy in situations like these. Steve all I can say is that you made a difference by speaking up and you let these folks know that we were not satisfied with their actions and great is your reward for doing the right thing! That is all I can say.

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[color=blue]As you remember, I emailed her a couple of days ago.... here is her response to me....

"Steve, You have errored in judging my role at 3ABN to be a "counselor." It was not. Just thought you ought to know before publishing your account. Thanks for checking with me. You have some interesting comments. They serve little purpose, however, if you have not checked out the truth of your theories with the people involved. God bless, Kay "

The significance of this response should not escape us. It is the first independent confirmation we have that the original letter to Calvin was genuine and from Kay. Brilliant work Steve, even if you did not get the more lengthy response you expected.

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I need to know this...what is the difference between PHD and EDD? Once that is answered then I have more questions...

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I need to know this...what is the difference between PHD and EDD? Once that is answered then I have more questions...

I covered this once before.... and EdD is a counseling degree (usually) from a University's School of Education, while a PhD is usually a a clinical or counseling psychology degree from a University's School of Psychology.....

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Someone said that she is a child pychologist. Either way, does the law apply to her if her speciality is children and she is running off at the mouth about Linda's business?

I have to say that I wasn't expecting her to respond to you Steve. At least we know she looked at it, can't say that she read it.

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"Steve, You have errored in judging my role at 3ABN to be a "counselor." It was not. Just thought you ought to know before publishing your account. Thanks for checking with me. You have some interesting comments. They serve little purpose, however, if you have not checked out the truth of your theories with the people involved. God bless, Kay "

For the moment I will ignore the fact that "error" is not a verb.

Dr. Kuzma suggests that Steve's "theories" would only serve some purpose if he were to check their truth with the relevant persons. She admits that she is a relevant person because she thanks him for checking with her and does not suggest anyone else with whom he should check. Even though she now admits that his theories now serve some purpose she refuses to take the time to address them. In other words, she said a lot and said nothing. For the moment we will ignore the fact that Steve did not present any "theories" but simply commented on the failure to be fair in the revelation of pertinent facts.

The red herring that she raises about her role at 3ABN stinks to high heaven and the covering cherubs may have had to work overtime on this one. This is not about her role at 3ABN. This is about her role in the dissolution of the marriage between Linda and Danny. She does not have a degree in Industrial Psychology, nor does she have any expertise in the running of a media house.

If this behavior does not constitute putting the Savior to open shame I would like for church leaders to purchase a few spherical objects usually used in games of skill and tell me what is.