Where Is Brenda?, Will Brenda not be the main witness against Linda? Options

[Johann]

This whole affair against Linda started with allegations made by Brenda against Linda. It has been claimed that Brenda was woken up at night by a demon, and that caused her to call her pastor to testify against Linda.

Appletree, will we see Brenda's name on the list of witnesses?

[Pickle]

Johann, can Brenda testify that Linda went on vacations with the Dr. while Danny and Linda were still married? Danny claimed they did, but I haven't been able to dig up any evidence to support that idea.

Danny said "vacations" rather than "vacation."

[missthg]

does anyone really care?

[Johann]

does anyone really care?

There are those who care if truth is vindicated. Others don't give a . . .

I was lookiing for a good *vegetarian* term here, but it slipped my mind. Can you help me out?

This post has been edited by Johann: Feb 8 2008, 09:55 AM

[Johann]

Johann, can Brenda testify that Linda went on vacations with the Dr. while Danny and Linda were still married? Danny claimed they did, but I haven't been able to dig up any evidence to support that idea.

Danny said "vacations" rather than "vacation."

If anyone gives such a testimony he/she is breaking the commandment which says "Thou shalt not bear false witness." Both Danny Shelton and his henchmen like Dr. Walt Thompson have circulated such lies to give Danny Shelton a false biblical mandate to marry another woman. It is, therefore, utterly improper that such men run a ministry proclaiming the "truth"! Who will stop them? Will the IRS?

[lurker]

There are those who care if truth is vindicated. Others don't give a . . .

I was lookiing for a good *vegetarian* term here, but it slipped my mind. Can you help me out?

"not care/give a fig (old-fashioned)
if you say that you don't care a fig, you mean that something or someone is not important to you at all. They can say what they like, I don't give a fig.
See also: care, fig, give
Cambridge International Dictionary of Idioms © Cambridge University Press 1998"



This post has been edited by lurker: Feb 8 2008, 10:55 AM

[Clay]

If anyone gives such a testimony he/she is breaking the commandment which says "Thou shalt not bear false witness." Both Danny Shelton and his henchmen like Dr. Walt Thompson have circulated such lies to give Danny Shelton a false biblical mandate to marry another woman. It is, therefore, utterly improper that such men run a ministry proclaiming the "truth"! Who will stop them? Will the IRS?

your logic is faulty... based on what you have said, no minister better get up on sabbath to preach the truth because ALL have sinned and come short... in fact I suspect pastors sin daily, should they resign because of their sin? While their sin may not be publicly known, I am sure they have sinned, even this week they have sinned... so what are they to do?

Secondly, one of my friends asked this question, if divorce and remarriage is a sin, does not God forgive sins?

[Observer]

There are those who care if truth is vindicated. Others don't give a . . .

I was lookiing for a good *vegetarian* term here, but it slipped my mind. Can you help me out?

Don't give a wet noodle.

Don't give a piece of stale/burnt toast.

Don't give a cancelled postage stamp.

Don't give a grain of rice.

You get the idea.

[Pickle]

Secondly, one of my friends asked this question, if divorce and remarriage is a sin, does not God forgive sins?

Of course!

If we confess, repent, and as far as possible make things right, He will forgive. But if we don't, He won't.

[Clay]

Of course!

If we confess, repent, and as far as possible make things right, He will forgive. But if we don't, He won't.

is that what He said, or how you are interpreting what you believe he said?

1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Matt 6:14-15 "If you forgive the failures of others, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. (15) But if you don't forgive others, your Father will not forgive your failures.

Those two passages are not saying what you are saying.... so who is correct?

[princessdi]

Oh my!, and that second text is really syaing far more than some of of will care to admit........about certain situations............I'm jes' sayin'.................

is that what He said, or how you are interpreting what you believe he said?

1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Matt 6:14-15 "If you forgive the failures of others, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. (15) But if you don't forgive others, your Father will not forgive your failures.

Those two passages are not saying what you are saying.... so who is correct?

[Artiste]

your logic is faulty... based on what you have said, no minister better get up on sabbath to preach the truth because ALL have sinned and come short... in fact I suspect pastors sin daily, should they resign because of their sin? While their sin may not be publicly known, I am sure they have sinned, even this week they have sinned... so what are they to do?

Secondly, one of my friends asked this question, if divorce and remarriage is a sin, does not God forgive sins?

Clay, there is a huge difference between the sin of an inappropriate divorce/remarriage and the sin of orchestrating the slandering of the reputation of a well-known SDA woman on national SDA media with lies and insinuations as well as kicking her out of her position and turning as many people against her as possible. All that in addition to divorcing her.

Are you saying that the minister who gets up to preach on Sabbath having committed a sin on the friday before of speaking hastily and irritably to a member of his family is as reprehensible as a person who has done the above?

There is a difference in the level of guilt of various wrongdoing. That is the reason some individuals are put in prison for their misdeeds and others are not.

[missthg]

um....God said sin is sin - period - no sin is greater than the other....Now how we may feel about it is a lot different than what God said sin is....

[LaurenceD]

Clay, there is a huge difference between the sin of an inappropriate divorce/remarriage and the sin of orchestrating the slandering of the reputation of a well-known SDA woman on national SDA media with lies and insinuations as well as kicking her out of her position and turning as many people against her as possible.

Surely you're not suggesting that they somehow got it backwards--that someone at 3abn is actually the one guilty of the three basic rules of defamation of character rather than the other way around?

If anyone suggested on the air, or in writing, that someone's wife was involve in a extramarital relationship (when she wasn't), or had suggested she may have an infection when she did, then that would clearly violate the common rules of defamation in most civilized countries.

BTW, I don't agree that those texts quoted above--1John 1:9 and Matt 6:14-15--are referring to people who have been reborn, educated, and are deeply involved in the teaching and preaching of God's ways, or teaching others what God expects in Christian marriages, because, unless if He has "cleansed us from all unrighteousness" we probably shouldn't be preaching HOW TO's to others at the risk of feeling Christ's anger towards our own hypocrisy...but I could be wrong. It makes no sense to be preaching what or what not others should be doing unless one has overcome that particlular temptation. I think those texts may apply more to sinners who are awakening to the realization of another way of life.

[Pickle]

is that what He said, or how you are interpreting what you believe he said?

1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Matt 6:14-15 "If you forgive the failures of others, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. (15) But if you don't forgive others, your Father will not forgive your failures.

Those two passages are not saying what you are saying.... so who is correct?

Thanks for pointing that out. I should have said "confess, repent, make things right as far as possible, and forgive others."

"Confess" is found in 1 Jn. 1:9. "Repent" is found in Acts 3:19, as well as "be converted." "Make things right" can be found in a number of passages, including Ezek. 33:15 where it says that the wicked must "give again that he had robbed."

Forgiveness is a free gift, yet there are conditions.