Archive of http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20348&st=375 preserved for the defense in 3ABN and Danny Shelton v. Joy and Pickle.
Links altered to maintain their integrity and aid in navigation, but content otherwise unchanged.
Saved at 11:44:29 AM on March 23, 2008.
IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

31 Pages V  « < 24 25 26 27 28 > »   
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Rumors, Lies, & False Accusations Travel With Joy, Confronting AT and Gailon with Truth
Pickle
post Mar 10 2008, 08:58 PM
Post #376


1,000 + posts
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 1,483
Joined: 29-July 06
Member No.: 1,960
Gender: m


QUOTE(appletree @ Mar 10 2008, 03:32 PM) *
Not to mention these are things you are alleging happened years ago and have nothing whatsoever to do with Walt as the chairman of the 3abn board.

AT, every leader in the denomination knows that you have to handle such allegations appropriately to protect the church from liability. Walt's neglect to contact any of the alleged victims was wrong, and you would be hard pressed to find any church leader that will say otherwise.

When I called Roger and Duane Clem and asked them if Walt had talked with them after I read what Larmore wrote, they told me he had not. That is utterly irresponsible.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
mystery- man
post Mar 10 2008, 10:24 PM
Post #377


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 136
Joined: 30-October 06
Member No.: 2,439
Gender: m


You know what is amazing to me, that everyone seems to overlook the obvious. People are not stupid, you do not treat someone you are in Godly love with the way Danny and the board did Linda. The undefensable is that this suppose ministry that for years flagshipped the Ministy in the motto "Mending Broken People" when faced with one of there own "Broken People" showed that the true meaning of their ministry was "Destroying Broken People". It is amazing to me that the defenders of 3abn and what they have done dont seem to get the full picture. They seem to think that somehow if they can proove that Linda was wrong that it will clear up what was done and the ministry will be justified. They dont seem to understand that most of the people that watch 3abn and the like are broken people looking for a savior that can forgive them and restore them in his image. Preaching the Sabbath is not what the message of Christ is all about. Jesus went about healing the sick and in case you have forgotten, not once did he ask them to get right before he would heal them.

Here is my biggest problem with 3abn, (PRIDE) (Preachers of the Law) (A couterfiet ministry) these three make me want them to get off the air. Why could they have not left lindas' programs on the air (explain that to me). Vindictive mean people who know all about the law but nothing about grace, mercy, love and forgivness that is what I see. They feel if they say they made a mistake and let people know that they were wrong they would somehow not be representing God. Well, here is a news flash, God already knows they are flawed, every single one of them. But since they represent themselves as examples of Christ then should we not look to them to really show his love? Even the Government (Demorcrats) stood up for Bill Clinton who was obviously guilty. Even Hillary who's husband definitly did it and lied about (it) on national television stood by her man. But the righteous Seventhday Adventist at 3abn who know all bout the Sabbath and the law could not tolerate sin in the camp and so they in (three months) put out the sinner and decreed like in the movie the ten commandments with Moses thay her name be stricken from every statue and monument and that the name of Linda never be mentioned again (LOL). What a sick group of people that do not understand that even Ellen G. White would say it is better we err on the side of love.

If it makes you feel better go ahead and keep telling how bad Linda and Danny are and allow the world to see just how horroble the people of the law really are. I am calling on 3abn to come on the air apologize for not showing true Christian love and forgivness and start over from scratch. Of course that will never happen because they are to (PROUD) for that.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
fallible humanbe...
post Mar 10 2008, 10:32 PM
Post #378


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 440
Joined: 10-August 06
From: Madison, WI
Member No.: 2,058
Gender: m


QUOTE(mystery- man @ Mar 11 2008, 12:24 AM) *
You know what is amazing to me, that everyone seems to overlook the obvious. People are not stupid, you do not treat someone you are in Godly love with the way Danny and the board did Linda . . .


HHmmm . . . what about the way Linda treated Danny? It was obvious that there was something about her behavior that was amiss to the point that it caused stress in the marriage. There were a plethora of people who were as close to Linda as they were to Danny who told her that her behavior was not that of a married Christian woman, who was also one of the leaders of a ministry of the faith.

It was a rather simple situation. Linda was asked and then counseled by a number of people to break off the relationship with the Dr. from Norway. She refused, saying that he was what kept her going, he was her best friend, claiming that if only Danny would treat her they way he did then she wouldn't have to be in contact with him . . . she chose to maintain the relationship, chose to place it above her marriage, chose to ignore the counsel of trusted friends and colleagues . . . she chose the Dr. from Norway. She claimed that if Mr. Shelton couldn't accept the Dr. in her life then their marriage was over . . . she chose . . . the Dr. over her husband, her friends, her ministry.

- FHB


--------------------
But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. - Yoda

If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. But do not care to convince him. Men will believe what they see. Let them see. - Henry David Thoreau

May those who love us love us. And those who don’t love us– may God turn their hearts. And if He cannot turn their hearts, may He turn their ankles, so that we may know them by their limping. - Keeping Faith
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
mystery- man
post Mar 10 2008, 11:10 PM
Post #379


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 136
Joined: 30-October 06
Member No.: 2,439
Gender: m


QUOTE(fallible humanbeing @ Mar 10 2008, 11:32 PM) *
HHmmm . . . what about the way Linda treated Danny? It was obvious that there was something about her behavior that was amiss to the point that it caused stress in the marriage. There were a plethora of people who were as close to Linda as they were to Danny who told her that her behavior was not that of a married Christian woman, who was also one of the leaders of a ministry of the faith.

It was a rather simple situation. Linda was asked and then counseled by a number of people to break off the relationship with the Dr. from Norway. She refused, saying that he was what kept her going, he was her best friend, claiming that if only Danny would treat her they way he did then she wouldn't have to be in contact with him . . . she chose to maintain the relationship, chose to place it above her marriage, chose to ignore the counsel of trusted friends and colleagues . . . she chose the Dr. from Norway. She claimed that if Mr. Shelton couldn't accept the Dr. in her life then their marriage was over . . . she chose . . . the Dr. over her husband, her friends, her ministry.

- FHB


Interesting, you cant see the forest for the trees can you. Your answer prooves what I am saying. You still dont understand what I said do you? I am talking about the ministries resposibility and you went right back to who was wrong. Obviously you could not have read what I wrote, how sad.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Johann
post Mar 10 2008, 11:15 PM
Post #380


1,000 + posts
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 1,521
Joined: 17-October 04
From: Iceland, formerly Denmark, Norway, USA, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Faeroe Islands. Bound for Heaven.
Member No.: 686
Gender: m


QUOTE(fallible humanbeing @ Mar 11 2008, 04:32 AM) *
HHmmm . . . what about the way Linda treated Danny? It was obvious that there was something about her behavior that was amiss to the point that it caused stress in the marriage. There were a plethora of people who were as close to Linda as they were to Danny who told her that her behavior was not that of a married Christian woman, who was also one of the leaders of a ministry of the faith.

It was a rather simple situation. Linda was asked and then counseled by a number of people to break off the relationship with the Dr. from Norway. She refused, saying that he was what kept her going, he was her best friend, claiming that if only Danny would treat her they way he did then she wouldn't have to be in contact with him . . . she chose to maintain the relationship, chose to place it above her marriage, chose to ignore the counsel of trusted friends and colleagues . . . she chose the Dr. from Norway. She claimed that if Mr. Shelton couldn't accept the Dr. in her life then their marriage was over . . . she chose . . . the Dr. over her husband, her friends, her ministry.

- FHB


Some hollow words without a documentation, isn't that what you would say?

Edited for spelling. . .

This post has been edited by Johann: Mar 10 2008, 11:16 PM


--------------------
"Any fact that needs to be disclosed should be put out now or as quickly as possible, because otherwise the bleeding will not end." (Attributed to Henry Kissinger)

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it" (Martin Luther King)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
appletree
post Mar 11 2008, 12:24 AM
Post #381


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 311
Joined: 7-August 07
Member No.: 4,244
Gender: m


QUOTE(mystery- man @ Mar 10 2008, 10:24 PM) *
If it makes you feel better go ahead and keep telling how bad Linda and Danny are and allow the world to see just how horroble the people of the law really are. I am calling on 3abn to come on the air apologize for not showing true Christian love and forgivness and start over from scratch. Of course that will never happen because they are to (PROUD) for that.


I'm sorry to say, you really are clueless on the subject matter. I believe the board and Danny and about a hundred others, knew, were convinced by evidence, saw themselves that Linda was in an immoral relationship. Once they came to this conclusion, talked with her, counseled with her, gave her options etc. and she refused to change her behaviour, the board was left with no alternatives but to do what they did. Even then she was put on leave in the hope that all wrong doing would cease and everything could be reconciled. Her behaviour did not change and was made clear that it wasn't going to change so she was let go. Now having said that, since there was no admission of actual guilt yet no denial of the relationship, the board could only act on what they felt was correct for the ministry. So if you have a person that acknowledges a "relationship" with another man but says it isn't wrong and it will continue (and it did) how could 3abn continue to show her programs? If she is involved in something that is bad enough to be let go as VP, 3abn would be crazy to promote her programs. That is ridiculous.

Now had she come to terms with her actions, felt remorse and CEASED to have contact with the doctor, of course the board would have taken a completely different view and different actions. The bible says to "go and sin no more." Should that have been the case everyone would have been thrilled to forgive, forget and move on but, that was not the case.

As far as Danny goes, he was willing to try and reconcile even after the divorce as his emails show. He would have forgiven and reconciled at anytime during that whole process if he had been given hope that there wasn't going to be 3 people in that marriage. He wasn't. He was told just the opposite.

This post has been edited by appletree: Mar 11 2008, 12:26 AM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Fran
post Mar 11 2008, 12:53 AM
Post #382


500 + posts
Group Icon

Group: Financial Donor
Posts: 629
Joined: 8-August 04
From: Over here
Member No.: 529
Gender: f


FHB;

My opinions and comments are in red below.

QUOTE(fallible humanbeing @ Mar 10 2008, 10:32 PM) *
FHB ... HHmmm . . . what about the way Linda treated Danny?

Fran ... Poor old Danny Boy! His trashy harlot wife chose to treat her son's illness over the demands of demonic demons of her husband, the anointed one!

FHB ... It was obvious that there was something about her behavior that was amiss to the point that it caused stress in the marriage.

Fran ... You are speaking of the tragic way Linda treated the one who manufactured all the stress. There was no stress in their marriage until Danny set about to destroy her!

FHB ...There were a plethora of people who were as close to Linda as they were to Danny who told her that her behavior was not that of a married Christian woman, who was also one of the leaders of a ministry of the faith.

Fran ... Please tell us who the Plethora of people are were. Be honest now! Were these Linda's friends or were they Danny's friends acting in his behalf? This is so ridiculous! It is quite funny especially when the IRS is investigation all the millions amiss in 3ABN's Books.

Fran ... You guys started in on Johann, of all people to pick! He is a preacher!

Fran: ... It didn't work so now you turn to Linda AGAIN!

Fran ... Let's get back to all the missing $$$$$$. Some one is blowing smoke to cover up the real crimes. One of you even brought up Tommy to distract the subject of LIES AND FALSE ACCUSATIONS. That was pure desperation! Linda is no longer a valid target. She is not at 3ABN stopping the donations. In fact her leaving started the income of donations to start to shrink. Danny should have left "well enough" alone.

Fran ... Better get back to solving internal actual problems instead of blowing such stinky wind!


FHB ... It was a rather simple situation. Linda was asked and then counseled by a number of people to break off the relationship with the Dr. from Norway. She refused, saying that he was what kept her going, he was her best friend, claiming that if only Danny would treat her they way he did then she wouldn't have to be in contact with him . . . she chose to maintain the relationship, chose to place it above her marriage, chose to ignore the counsel of trusted friends and colleagues . . . she chose the Dr. from Norway. She claimed that if Mr. Shelton couldn't accept the Dr. in her life then their marriage was over . . . she chose . . . the Dr. over her husband, her friends, her ministry.

Fran ... If this was true, why have she and the doctor not married? Why does she live in Springfield? Why is she the one about her fathers business; while Danny is living larger than life; building a brand new home on 40 acres. He is getting paid for building his home. Danny has made out like a bandit. He is not hurting. In fact he takes pleasure in Destroying people, especially Linda.

FRAN ... MY OPINION - OUT WITH DANNY; IN WITH LINDA, THE TRUE ANNOINTED ONE


- FHB



--------------------
The greatest want of the world is the want of men-- men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall. {Ed 57.3}
But such a character is not the result of accident; it is not due to special favors or endowments of Providence. A noble character is the result of self-discipline, of the subjection of the lower to the higher nature--the surrender of self for the service of love to God and man. {Ed 57.4}
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Fran
post Mar 11 2008, 01:03 AM
Post #383


500 + posts
Group Icon

Group: Financial Donor
Posts: 629
Joined: 8-August 04
From: Over here
Member No.: 529
Gender: f


QUOTE(appletree @ Mar 11 2008, 12:24 AM) *
I'm sorry to say, you really are clueless on the subject matter. I believe the board and Danny and about a hundred others, knew, were convinced by evidence, saw themselves that Linda was in an immoral relationship. Once they came to this conclusion, talked with her, counseled with her, gave her options etc. and she refused to change her behaviour, the board was left with no alternatives but to do what they did. Even then she was put on leave in the hope that all wrong doing would cease and everything could be reconciled. Her behaviour did not change and was made clear that it wasn't going to change so she was let go. Now having said that, since there was no admission of actual guilt yet no denial of the relationship, the board could only act on what they felt was correct for the ministry. So if you have a person that acknowledges a "relationship" with another man but says it isn't wrong and it will continue (and it did) how could 3abn continue to show her programs? If she is involved in something that is bad enough to be let go as VP, 3abn would be crazy to promote her programs. That is ridiculous.

Now had she come to terms with her actions, felt remorse and CEASED to have contact with the doctor, of course the board would have taken a completely different view and different actions. The bible says to "go and sin no more." Should that have been the case everyone would have been thrilled to forgive, forget and move on but, that was not the case.

As far as Danny goes, he was willing to try and reconcile even after the divorce as his emails show. He would have forgiven and reconciled at anytime during that whole process if he had been given hope that there wasn't going to be 3 people in that marriage. He wasn't. He was told just the opposite.


You seem to be a few fries short of a Happy Meal! Those lovey dovey emails flew to Linda at the same time that Danny was at the Subway with his present wife, with his arms around her. Lies and more lies. Linda is old news; move on to the real subject of the financial disaster at 3ABN.


--------------------
The greatest want of the world is the want of men-- men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall. {Ed 57.3}
But such a character is not the result of accident; it is not due to special favors or endowments of Providence. A noble character is the result of self-discipline, of the subjection of the lower to the higher nature--the surrender of self for the service of love to God and man. {Ed 57.4}
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
mystery- man
post Mar 11 2008, 02:55 AM
Post #384


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 136
Joined: 30-October 06
Member No.: 2,439
Gender: m


QUOTE(appletree @ Mar 11 2008, 01:24 AM) *
I'm sorry to say, you really are clueless on the subject matter. I believe the board and Danny and about a hundred others, knew, were convinced by evidence, saw themselves that Linda was in an immoral relationship. Once they came to this conclusion, talked with her, counseled with her, gave her options etc. and she refused to change her behaviour, the board was left with no alternatives but to do what they did. Even then she was put on leave in the hope that all wrong doing would cease and everything could be reconciled. Her behaviour did not change and was made clear that it wasn't going to change so she was let go. Now having said that, since there was no admission of actual guilt yet no denial of the relationship, the board could only act on what they felt was correct for the ministry. So if you have a person that acknowledges a "relationship" with another man but says it isn't wrong and it will continue (and it did) how could 3abn continue to show her programs? If she is involved in something that is bad enough to be let go as VP, 3abn would be crazy to promote her programs. That is ridiculous.

Now had she come to terms with her actions, felt remorse and CEASED to have contact with the doctor, of course the board would have taken a completely different view and different actions. The bible says to "go and sin no more." Should that have been the case everyone would have been thrilled to forgive, forget and move on but, that was not the case.

As far as Danny goes, he was willing to try and reconcile even after the divorce as his emails show. He would have forgiven and reconciled at anytime during that whole process if he had been given hope that there wasn't going to be 3 people in that marriage. He wasn't. He was told just the opposite.



I dont even know how to answer you, you are clueless to what and how God deals with us. "How could 3abn continue to show her program?" just put them on television as always she was not promoting self but God. I would dare say if your life was laid open you would probably be more guilty than Linda, just a guess from your response. By the way you should be thrilled to forgive even if the person does not do what you want or they dont show what you consider to be repentence. You really are clueless as to how God looks at you in all your dirt and unforgiven sin. Do you have sin that you have not confessed or repented of? Should God do you as you have done Linda? Of course you stand in judgement of Linda's motives and state of mind don't you. You talk as though you are Danny and know for a fact his state of mind, but do you really? I have said that they both should have been removed and allowed to work out their problems privatly, why, because the heart is deceitfully wicked and who can know it. You talk as though you can read the hearts of men and women therefore I hope and pray that you are not one of the board members because if you are I can see why they would rule the way they did.
I don't mean to judge you but you seem almost cultish in the way you are speaking about Danny. Danny is not God and his removal along with Linda would not have destroyed the ministry if it is a creation of Gods. Remember what God would said on the cross "Forgive them for they know not what they do". I dont know you personally but I can say I hope you are not a memember of the board or whatever because I perceive you would be so stubborn that you could never give in. Danny and Linda were husband and wife and as their personal relationship goes, they both needed down time, they should have both been removed. Even Now they both need to confess as Moses the most humble man alive did for the children of Israel. And before you come back with some strong words I want you to remember that God sees your heart. You may fool men but you can't fool God.

I honestly try and look at myself and ask how I would have wanted to be treated and then I base my decision on that and how merciful God has been to me.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Johann
post Mar 11 2008, 04:23 AM
Post #385


1,000 + posts
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 1,521
Joined: 17-October 04
From: Iceland, formerly Denmark, Norway, USA, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Faeroe Islands. Bound for Heaven.
Member No.: 686
Gender: m


QUOTE(appletree @ Mar 11 2008, 06:24 AM) *
I'm sorry to say, you really are clueless on the subject matter. I believe the board and Danny and about a hundred others, knew, were convinced by evidence, saw themselves that Linda was in an immoral relationship. Once they came to this conclusion, talked with her, counseled with her, gave her options etc. and she refused to change her behaviour, the board was left with no alternatives but to do what they did. Even then she was put on leave in the hope that all wrong doing would cease and everything could be reconciled. Her behaviour did not change and was made clear that it wasn't going to change so she was let go. Now having said that, since there was no admission of actual guilt yet no denial of the relationship, the board could only act on what they felt was correct for the ministry. So if you have a person that acknowledges a "relationship" with another man but says it isn't wrong and it will continue (and it did) how could 3abn continue to show her programs? If she is involved in something that is bad enough to be let go as VP, 3abn would be crazy to promote her programs. That is ridiculous.

Now had she come to terms with her actions, felt remorse and CEASED to have contact with the doctor, of course the board would have taken a completely different view and different actions. The bible says to "go and sin no more." Should that have been the case everyone would have been thrilled to forgive, forget and move on but, that was not the case.

As far as Danny goes, he was willing to try and reconcile even after the divorce as his emails show. He would have forgiven and reconciled at anytime during that whole process if he had been given hope that there wasn't going to be 3 people in that marriage. He wasn't. He was told just the opposite.


Yes, yes, yes, you had several "hearings" where Linda was condemned by the *magic* words of Mr. Danny Shelton while Linda herself did not present her side of the matter at a single one of those hearings? Were you afraid that some members of those *jurys* would doubt certain aspects of Danny Shelton's powerful arguments if they would hear Linda too?

At least one of those you have quoted so frequently as counselling Linda has told me personally that no such counselling ever took place. Yet you keep living on in your own world of deceptions. What would you do if he should give his testimony at a hearing? I am not at freedom to quote some of the things he told me, but I am certain he would say it in his testimony.

You claim that everybody believes your lies. While this discussion has been going on here this past weekend, a number of people I do not know, have sent me their word of support. Notifcations have been brought to my attention of a number of church leaders in some of the heaviest areas of Adventism in North America, who now support Linda fully, and refuse to let Danny visit any of their churches due to his false accusations. It seems like they base their decisions mainly on what you are presenting here more than anything they have seen by me, Gailon, nor Bob Pickle.

It is again what I have said so often, Danny Shelton and his friends are Danny Shelton's worst enemies. I would call on you to be truthful and prepare to meet your Lord.

Some of your friends are so deceived they think it is evil of me to call you to repentrance. I leave that judgment to our heavely host. Scripture says,


2 Timothy 3
1Be sure of this. In the last days hard times will come.

2People will love themselves. They will love money. They will talk about themselves and be proud. They will say wrong things about people. They will not obey their parents. They will not be thankful. They will not keep anything holy.

3They will have no love. They will not agree with anybody. They will tell lies about people. They will have no self-control. They will beat people. They will not love anything that is good.




And there is also the passsage of what kind of pastors they will listen to. Not those who reveal the truth about themselves.

This post has been edited by Johann: Mar 11 2008, 04:25 AM


--------------------
"Any fact that needs to be disclosed should be put out now or as quickly as possible, because otherwise the bleeding will not end." (Attributed to Henry Kissinger)

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it" (Martin Luther King)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
inga
post Mar 11 2008, 03:36 PM
Post #386


500 + posts
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 504
Joined: 24-August 04
Member No.: 577



QUOTE(mystery- man @ Mar 11 2008, 03:55 AM) *
You talk as though you are Danny and know for a fact his state of mind, but do you really?

Well, Mystery Man, many of us believe there is good reason why "AppleTree" always seems to know Danny's state of mind and why he has access to all available information at 3ABN.

Here's a clue: "AppleTree" is not his real name. happydance.gif
Here's another: His last name probably starts with "S."
And another: His first name probably starts with "D." wave.gif

PS (Added via edit):
Just because AppleTree knows Danny's state of mind doesn't necessarily mean he's telling the truth about Danny's state of mind. On this forum we have good reason to doubt the truthfulness of both AppleTree and Danny Shelton. (If they're not one and the same, one is the alter ego of the other.)

This post has been edited by inga: Mar 11 2008, 03:40 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Snoopy
post Mar 11 2008, 06:19 PM
Post #387


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 399
Joined: 13-January 07
Member No.: 2,808
Gender: f


OR.....maybe an "R"...

QUOTE(inga @ Mar 11 2008, 04:36 PM) *
Well, Mystery Man, many of us believe there is good reason why "AppleTree" always seems to know Danny's state of mind and why he has access to all available information at 3ABN.

Here's a clue: "AppleTree" is not his real name. happydance.gif
Here's another: His last name probably starts with "S."
And another: His first name probably starts with "D." wave.gif

PS (Added via edit):
Just because AppleTree knows Danny's state of mind doesn't necessarily mean he's telling the truth about Danny's state of mind. On this forum we have good reason to doubt the truthfulness of both AppleTree and Danny Shelton. (If they're not one and the same, one is the alter ego of the other.)

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
ex3ABNemployee
post Mar 11 2008, 06:40 PM
Post #388


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 356
Joined: 25-December 06
From: West Frankfort, IL
Member No.: 2,722
Gender: m


QUOTE(Snoopy @ Mar 11 2008, 06:19 PM) *
OR.....maybe an "R"...

yes.gif I've actually been thinking that all along.


QUOTE(appletree @ Mar 11 2008, 12:24AM)
I'm sorry to say, you really are clueless on the subject matter. I believe the board and Danny and about a hundred others, knew, were convinced by evidence, saw themselves that Linda was in an immoral relationship. Once they came to this conclusion, talked with her, counseled with her, gave her options etc. and she refused to change her behaviour, the board was left with no alternatives but to do what they did. Even then she was put on leave in the hope that all wrong doing would cease and everything could be reconciled. Her behaviour did not change and was made clear that it wasn't going to change so she was let go. Now having said that, since there was no admission of actual guilt yet no denial of the relationship, the board could only act on what they felt was correct for the ministry. So if you have a person that acknowledges a "relationship" with another man but says it isn't wrong and it will continue (and it did) how could 3abn continue to show her programs? If she is involved in something that is bad enough to be let go as VP, 3abn would be crazy to promote her programs. That is ridiculous.

Interesting. I wonder why the same treatment wasn't given to an apparent relationship several of us noticed while I was employed at 3ABN. As far as I know, neither party was "counseled" and certainly neither was put on leave. I guess it all depends on how close to the trunk you are on the family tree.


--------------------
Duane Clem

It's not about religion, it's about a relationship.

Gems of Wisdom
"Lisa and Ronda are not Danny's biological father." -- wwjd, 2/8/07
"Watchbird, The facts prove the above lie." -- wwjd, 2/13/07
"Another lie that can be proven..." -- Bystander, 3/18/07
"The thing about lies is they can be proven." -- Aletheia, 3/22/07
"I am not here to argue" -- Aletheia, 4/24/07
"She didn't move to 3ABN, she moved to Illinois" -- Aletheia, 4/25/07
"Hope is liberal. 3abn is not." -- steffan, 6/9/07
"Danny Shelton does not decide what goes on the air, period." -- appletree, 8/22/07


http://www.save-3abn.com/
http://www.investigating3abn.info/
http://rescue3abn.blog.com/
http://www.abundantrest.org/?p=74
http://abundantrest.org/2007/02/18/3abn-sa...ons-retirement/
http://anewsabbathschool.blogspot.com/2006...ain-wrecks.html
http://cafesda.blogspot.com/2006/08/atoday...bn-news_21.html
http://www.atoday.com/email/2007/02/12/
http://spectrummagazine.typepad.com/the_sp...eans_and_e.html
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
princessdi
post Mar 11 2008, 08:51 PM
Post #389


5,000 + posts
Group Icon

Group: Administrator
Posts: 11,143
Joined: 21-July 03
From: Northern California
Member No.: 47
Gender: f


I had another post which got eaten by the system....But MM you go on and preach that thang!!!! LOL!!! clap.gif

QUOTE(mystery- man @ Mar 10 2008, 09:24 PM) *
You know what is amazing to me, that everyone seems to overlook the obvious. People are not stupid, you do not treat someone you are in Godly love with the way Danny and the board did Linda. The undefensable is that this suppose ministry that for years flagshipped the Ministy in the motto "Mending Broken People" when faced with one of there own "Broken People" showed that the true meaning of their ministry was "Destroying Broken People". It is amazing to me that the defenders of 3abn and what they have done dont seem to get the full picture. They seem to think that somehow if they can proove that Linda was wrong that it will clear up what was done and the ministry will be justified. They dont seem to understand that most of the people that watch 3abn and the like are broken people looking for a savior that can forgive them and restore them in his image. Preaching the Sabbath is not what the message of Christ is all about. Jesus went about healing the sick and in case you have forgotten, not once did he ask them to get right before he would heal them.

Here is my biggest problem with 3abn, (PRIDE) (Preachers of the Law) (A couterfiet ministry) these three make me want them to get off the air. Why could they have not left lindas' programs on the air (explain that to me). Vindictive mean people who know all about the law but nothing about grace, mercy, love and forgivness that is what I see. They feel if they say they made a mistake and let people know that they were wrong they would somehow not be representing God. Well, here is a news flash, God already knows they are flawed, every single one of them. But since they represent themselves as examples of Christ then should we not look to them to really show his love? Even the Government (Demorcrats) stood up for Bill Clinton who was obviously guilty. Even Hillary who's husband definitly did it and lied about (it) on national television stood by her man. But the righteous Seventhday Adventist at 3abn who know all bout the Sabbath and the law could not tolerate sin in the camp and so they in (three months) put out the sinner and decreed like in the movie the ten commandments with Moses thay her name be stricken from every statue and monument and that the name of Linda never be mentioned again (LOL). What a sick group of people that do not understand that even Ellen G. White would say it is better we err on the side of love.

If it makes you feel better go ahead and keep telling how bad Linda and Danny are and allow the world to see just how horroble the people of the law really are. I am calling on 3abn to come on the air apologize for not showing true Christian love and forgivness and start over from scratch. Of course that will never happen because they are to (PROUD) for that.



--------------------
TTFN
Di


And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose---Romans 8:28

A great many people believe they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.-- William James

It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.- Mark Twain
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
princessdi
post Mar 11 2008, 09:23 PM
Post #390


5,000 + posts
Group Icon

Group: Administrator
Posts: 11,143
Joined: 21-July 03
From: Northern California
Member No.: 47
Gender: f


They could have shown them easily, if they are were truly about "ministering" to one of their own when they believed she fell. However, that is not the case here. Still airing those shows would have given time for cooler heads to prevail and coming up with something to tell the viewers and donors that would not be so harmful to either party. Danny, excuse me, the rubber tamp board, ran and posted statements everywhere and did just as MM said, struck her name and existence stricken from the records. Then the killer is, Appletree, you come here and diminish her role in establishing the ministry, just like Danny did it ALL by himself, and making Linda the Leona Hemsley of televangelism....Once again, it doesn't because Linda has to look like an absolute devil for Danny to look good. How come the people who are supposed to be about "Mending Broken People" could not have come up with something that showed them both in a good light? You know divorces do happen between good people. What was the rush to shut her down and then set out to make her look bad everytime they got a chance........and you are yet and still engaged in this practice in 2008.......4 long years later...........I just want to add also that the entire thing was rushed up until the Guam quickie divorce. Danny was moving far too quickly for somebody who talked about sabin his marriage as he did when he was here. So Appletree save it. The moment we heard that we didn't beleive it, and the fact that he was atually filing for a quickie divorce while lying to us sealed the deal. Plus ya'll already know I don't buy the whole Brandy showing up some months later non SDA without pot nor window and two children in tow to the Middle of Nowhere, IL at the 3ABN campus. Magically acquire a job, and a house across the street from Danny a,d private Bible studies to boot. We keep tellin ' ya'll this aint' Sabath School, but you really ain't tryin' to hear that!

Oh yeah and that counseling by her pastor.......JL... the one who owes half his salry to 3ABN and the other to the conference who's president sits on the 3ABN board......yeah right!

What Danny wanted her to cease is seeing about her sone and FINALLY putting his well being over Danny. She had not done that before. we can tell by the hissy fit Danny threw when she did. However, that was on Linda. She should have NEVER married a man who could not handle the entire package---Linda and her children--and she paid the price for it. It wasn't about hte Dr., it was about Linda's son. But nobody would support Danny in that move. The Dr. is the fall guy, that's all! So when Linda said that the Dr. was helping make it through that difficult time, I believe she said that, but that the good Dr. was doing Danny's job in supporting and encouraging Linda as she tended to her son. That was Danny's job and his fault if phone calls lasted longer. If Danny had been doing his job as man of that house and priest of his home. Linda would not have had to make ALL those calls alone, or they would have made them together. What made the relationship between Linda nd the Dr. inappropriate wasn't anything they were doing wrong, it was that Danny left his wife wihtout the love and support he should have given her during this time. Then he gets real crazy and asks her to cut her only lifeline after leaving her and her son to sink? I don't think so!


Now, I almost didn't post all of this, cuz Danny's lawyers is keeping osme clerk real busy churning out subpeonas, and Danny ain't worth me losing my religion for 5 minutes just to cuss him out So I need to add this disclaimer:

**The above post was taken from the Book of Princess, Chapters 14, 15, & 21:4-12. My conclusions were arrived at purely by the actions and words of Danny, Linda, and all parites involved on both sides of this issue, including those posting in defense of either principal**



QUOTE(appletree @ Mar 10 2008, 11:24 PM) *
I'm sorry to say, you really are clueless on the subject matter. I believe the board and Danny and about a hundred others, knew, were convinced by evidence, saw themselves that Linda was in an immoral relationship. Once they came to this conclusion, talked with her, counseled with her, gave her options etc. and she refused to change her behaviour, the board was left with no alternatives but to do what they did. Even then she was put on leave in the hope that all wrong doing would cease and everything could be reconciled. Her behaviour did not change and was made clear that it wasn't going to change so she was let go. Now having said that, since there was no admission of actual guilt yet no denial of the relationship, the board could only act on what they felt was correct for the ministry. So if you have a person that acknowledges a "relationship" with another man but says it isn't wrong and it will continue (and it did) how could 3abn continue to show her programs? If she is involved in something that is bad enough to be let go as VP, 3abn would be crazy to promote her programs. That is ridiculous.

Now had she come to terms with her actions, felt remorse and CEASED to have contact with the doctor, of course the board would have taken a completely different view and different actions. The bible says to "go and sin no more." Should that have been the case everyone would have been thrilled to forgive, forget and move on but, that was not the case.

As far as Danny goes, he was willing to try and reconcile even after the divorce as his emails show. He would have forgiven and reconciled at anytime during that whole process if he had been given hope that there wasn't going to be 3 people in that marriage. He wasn't. He was told just the opposite.


--------------------
TTFN
Di


And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose---Romans 8:28

A great many people believe they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.-- William James

It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.- Mark Twain
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

31 Pages V  « < 24 25 26 27 28 > » 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 23rd March 2008 - 10:44 AM
Design by: Download IPB Skins & eBusiness
BlackSDA has no official affiliation or endorsement from the Seventh-day Adventist church