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[Pickle]

I think I have consistently tried to always use the word "alleged" in front of "victim," but that didn't keep me from being sued.

[PrincessDrRe]

Lemmie repeat this.....

Normally - folks who have something of relevance or importance to a cause/action are called as witness or subpoenaed.

Now.

Which is it?

If Justice4JESUS has nothing of importance then why the subpoena? It waste time, money, and in the end brings someone into a "fight" that the other person may be unsure of the weaponry the party may bring.

In other words putting someone that is not "important" in a lawsuit opens other doors. Why open a door if you ain't gonna see what's on the other side or walk thru.

At times I do believe Appletree you don't even realize what you type before you type it.

Relevant/Relevance Defined

[princessdi]

We know that Duane IS a victim because Tommy does admit that, and we know others ARE victims even if you don't recognize them their testimonies are on records here and at save2abn. Sexual abusers of all types, dont' stop at one victim and never stop on their, thus the need for chemical castration, etc. There is one who was chemically castrated and still was found breaking parole with a teen age boy in his car............I believe every expert will tell you the same.

However, if it makes you feel better I will put the word "alleged" before when referring to anyone, but Duane.

This is how you step over that line PrincessDi.
The fact is the victim doesn't back you up, you are backing the accuser.
Because right now all you really have is an accuser and the accused, and no personal knowledge about it.

Declaring someone a victim, and declaring the other guily and then adding he has tendencies toward "children" and is in need of repentance and apologising to "all of his victims" is a bit premature, and is a far sweeping condenation without proof..

Something to think about..

But I've said all I am going to say here, because issues of abuse are often way too emotionally charged. People get way too personally involved here, because of their own issues to be able to be objective and look at or consider things objectively.

To be blunt I don't have the energy to deal with all that involves right now.

Have a good Sabbath tomorrow.

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[ex3ABNemployee]

Right. The point was you said you wanted an apology and then you say you got one. So..what is the point?
BTW. You are correct that is doesn't matter how long ago molestation happened if it happened. What does matter, and makes a big difference to public view is the age of the person at the time the alleged molestation took place. That makes the difference between what is called "molestation" or what is viewed as consensual. Certainly consensual doesn't make it right in the eyes of God for either party, but makes a big difference when someone is trying to play the "helpless victim".

Please show me where I ever said I was "molested."

[ex3ABNemployee]

Duane please be realistic. You over estimate your part in this story to an unbelievable degree. I'm sorry. To be blunt you are not an important figure in this lawsuit. Your allegations should be taken somewhere else. You say you are doing that. Good. Better for everyone concerned.

Have I stepped into the Twilight Zone?

I suppose Danny will ask that my name be removed from the subpoena since I am so irrelevant. I didn't even know I was a "figure in this lawsuit", much less an unimportant one. Did I miss receiving a summons somewhere?

You people need to start comparing notes before posting.

[inga]

That's true, I haven't seen anybody deny that. Certainly I haven't. FYI, I believe TS was dead wrong in what he did with you. But I also know that if you'd supplied your letter back to him, it would do much to dispel that notion that only he had any guilt which you are presenting.

I also know he repented, took responsibility, gave up his ministerial liscence, and went into counselling, and that you never have... And despite you saying he never hurt you and there was nothing to forgive in private, and then saying publically that you have forgiven him, your posts here indicate the opposite to me. I don't think that is healthy, I believe you need help.

Ian/Aletheia ... whoever you are .. you don't get it. Tommy Shelton was Duane's pastor. He was in a position of trust and responsibility over him. That changes everything.

If Duane did not realize until recently Tommy's treatment of him was sexual abuse, that is no reflection on Duane at all. A 20-year-old young man is still pretty vulnerable -- especially to a pastor whom he loves and admires. 
It is a most shameful and damnable thing to take advantage of that trust 
and admiration.

I have a friend who felt guilty for years over the "affair" she had with her Bible teacher as a teenager. (No, she wasn't quite 20, but the age is irrelevant in this kind of relationship.) It caused all sorts of problems in her life, and I believe she was affected to this day.

I was with her the day -- after many years of friendship -- that it finally dawned on her that this Bible teacher "friend" took advantage of her trust and his position of spiritual authority over her. She finally began to realize that she was a victim of sexual abuse. This was probably 20 years after the fact!!

I'm guessing something very similar happened to Duane. It took him a long time to realize that he really was a victim of sexual abuse. I imagine you're right, Aletheia, that Duane still "needs help." I suspect that this forum has been good for him in getting things into the open. And anger is a healthy stage in processing the grief resulting from the realization that his was not a "love relationship" at all, as he thought at the time. He was a victim of extremely unhealthy and twisted behavior by his beloved pastor. It hurts to realize that. It causes grief and mourning. And anger is a normal stage of mourning.I'm guessing that actually being able to testify under oath in a situation that will make a difference will also be therapeutic for Duane. It seems like he may just be given that opportunity.

But if it doesn't happen, God can still heal the wounds of the past. Tommy was not a representative of the God of love who never lets us down.

May God bless you Duane, as you seek to live in the light and stay out of the shadows!

[inga]

Please show me where I ever said I was "molested."

Well, Duane, I didn't see you use the word. But when a pastor takes sexual advantage of a "sheep" in his care it is sexual abuse. Not sure if "molestation" technically means the same thing. But it's pretty much the same to me.

[princessdi]

To be honest, I believe I used that word...dont' remember you using it, though. If I was out of line, I apologize.

Please show me where I ever said I was "molested."

[ex3ABNemployee]

To be honest, I believe I used that word...dont' remember you using it, though. If I was out of line, I apologize.

No problem, Di. You're not the one trying to discredit me with it.

[Snoopy]

Hey Duane,

I just wanted you to know that you are in my thoughts and prayers. It's an honor to be a fellow subpeona-ee with you!!

Snoopy

No problem, Di. You're not the one trying to discredit me with it.

[Fran]

Hey Duane,

I just wanted you to know that you are in my thoughts and prayers. It's an honor to be a fellow subpeona-ee with you!!

Snoopy

The same from me, Duane.

[ex3ABNemployee]

Hey Duane,

I just wanted you to know that you are in my thoughts and prayers. It's an honor to be a fellow subpeona-ee with you!!

Snoopy

The same from me, Duane.

Thanks. I was thinking earlier that I seem to be in pretty good company. I feel exactly the same way.

[ex3ABNemployee]

Duane please be realistic. You over estimate your part in this story to an unbelievable degree. I'm sorry. To be blunt you are not an important figure in this lawsuit. Your allegations should be taken somewhere else. You say you are doing that. Good. Better for everyone concerned.

I just thought of something else. You say I'm not an important person in this lawsuit. Also, my name is at the bottom of every post, so my identity is no secret.

Now, if I'm not important in the lawsuit, and you already have my identity, WHY am I named in the subpoena?

Answer: It's just another attempt to scare, bully, harass, intimidate and manipulate. Nothing more. Desperation has set in to the nth degree. You can see it in the posts by Appletree, Dona, Ian and others. This is all they have left.

[Fran]

I just thought of something else. You say I'm not an important person in this lawsuit. Also, my name is at the bottom of every post, so my identity is no secret.

Now, if I'm not important in the lawsuit, and you already have my identity, WHY am I named in the subpoena?

Answer: It's just another attempt to scare, bully, harass, intimidate and manipulate. Nothing more. Desperation has set in to the nth degree. You can see it in the posts by Appletree, Dona, Ian and others. This is all they have left.

I would like to ask that all who stand behind the investigation of Danny Shelton and 3ABN, please post a comment of your support for truth about everything, yes even the financial aspects.

[appletree]

I just thought of something else. You say I'm not an important person in this lawsuit. Also, my name is at the bottom of every post, so my identity is no secret.

Now, if I'm not important in the lawsuit, and you already have my identity, WHY am I named in the subpoena?

Answer: It's just another attempt to scare, bully, harass, intimidate and manipulate. Nothing more. Desperation has set in to the nth degree. You can see it in the posts by Appletree, Dona, Ian and others. This is all they have left.

Duane you failed to mention that the names of Pickle, Greg Matthews, Joy and others whose identities are obviously known. I am not an attorney so therefore I don't understand the progression of the lawsuit but they know what they are doing and why they are doing it.

Try to think clearly with me here.
1. How is it harrassment, manipulation, etc. etc. when Danny knew nothing about the subpeona's getting issued until after the fact. Not knowing, it certainly wasn't him who picked the names. You can build up these wild tales all you want but this has nothing to do with any of your accusations. This is legal strategy and nothing else. If Danny was an expert in legalities he could have represented himself. He isn't so he didn't. Hah I'm a poet and don't know it.

2. All of this talk about "shutting posters up" is so foolish I can't believe it. Why shut them up now? Every accusation, judgement, name calling and everything vile has already been splashed on the internet. Think logically here if possible. It would be a little late now to "shut posters up."

THis suit is about slander and defamation of character among other things. That means that the ones who are responsible for defaming and slandering will be traced down and questioned. The big show of "how could they" is quite surprising to me as this seems a simple conclusion to come to in regards to this case.

As Observer would say, I am not an attorney so am not making statements of fact here but, I would imagine the questions will be fairly simple. Example:

Do you personally know Danny or Linda Shelton?

Have you ever visited or worked at 3abn?

Do you personally know anyone that is an employee of 3abn?

Do you personally know any board members of 3abn?

Have you made allegations towards Danny, 3abn, the board or anyone affiliated with 3abn administration?

Have you been an eyewitness to any of the accusations you have made?

If no to any of the above, how did you get your information?

Can you yourself show any proof in behalf of the allegations you made?

If the answer is no, did you pass the unproved allegations along to anyone else?

See? IMO Just simple questions that relate directly to the case. What's the big deal. If everyone here that has slandered 3abn has absolute personal proof to back it up, there is nothing to be worried about.

This post has been edited by appletree: Mar 15 2008, 07:17 PM