The 3abn Story, Fact vs. Fiction Options

[husbandoftheyear]

I once overheard Melody Shelton say "Everytime I hear the 3ABN Story it gets bigger and better." As she rolled her eyes, she laughed, and walked away...

It made me wonder what the true beginning of 3ABN really involved.



This post has been edited by husbandoftheyear: Aug 25 2006, 11:08 AM

[PrincessDrRe]

I once overheard Melody Shelton say "Everytime I hear the 3ABN Story it gets bigger and better." As she rolled her eyes, she laughed, and walked away...

It made me wonder what the true beginning of 3ABN really involved.

Her rolling her eyes and laughing was an "interesting response" to something so stank.

[västergötland]

Question about John L. What year did he become 3abn pastor?

[justme]

3ABN wants DISH NETWORK!

3ABN has been broadcasting an announcement to ask to be placed in the DISH Network programming lineup.
Danny is speaking to all 3ABN viewers asking 3ABN viewers to write to DISH Network.

Mr. Eric Sahl
Senior Vice President for Programming

DISH Network
9601 South Meridian
Englewood, Colorado
80112

You may want to write to Mr. Eric Sahl, Senior Vice President for Programming, to express you thoughts on this request.

God’s will be done!

[Johann]

Question about John L. What year did he become 3abn pastor?

2003

[msraccoon]

Hey "justme", thanks for the info on DS's trying to get on regular Dish network. I am drafting a letter to Mr. Sahl at Dish Network, however, it may not be exactly what DS had in mind.

Dish Network owns SkyAngel's satellite and I am sure there is some negative history there for 3ABN. Myself, I took it as a sign from God when SkyAngel took off 3ABN. Step 1 accomplished.

Thanks again, others may want to write Dish Network also. msraccoon

[justme]

Hey "justme", thanks for the info on DS's trying to get on regular Dish network. I am drafting a letter to Mr. Sahl at Dish Network, however, it may not be exactly what DS had in mind.

Dish Network owns SkyAngel's satellite and I am sure there is some negative history there for 3ABN. Myself, I took it as a sign from God when SkyAngel took off 3ABN. Step 1 accomplished.

Thanks again, others may want to write Dish Network also. msraccoon

His reply to an email sent to
this is his email address


eric.sahl@echostar.com earlier is this:

His reply:
"We are interested in carriage of the service. However, we must negotiate first with the Dominion Sky Angel group due to a contractual issue with them. These discussions are ongoing but I cannot be certain of any outcome yet.

Eric"

(-----Original Message-----
From: justme
To: Sahl, Eric
<eric.sahl@echostar.com>
Sent: Sat Aug 26 10:26:44 2006
Subject: 3ABN

Dear Mr. Sahl,

What are you plans regarding adding 3ABN to your programming line up?

justme)

His reply to an email sent to
this is his email address

eric.sahl@echostar.com

His reply:
"We are interested in carriage of the service. However, we must negotiate first with the Dominion Sky Angel group due to a contractual issue with them. These discussions are ongoing but I cannot be certain of any outcome yet.

Eric"

(-----Original Message-----
From: justme
To: Sahl, Eric
<eric.sahl@echostar.com>
Sent: Sat Aug 26 10:26:44 2006
Subject: 3ABN

Dear Mr. Sahl,

What are you plans regarding adding 3ABN to your programming line up?

justme)

[watchbird]

His reply to an email sent to
this is his email address
eric.sahl@echostar.com earlier is this:

His reply:
"We are interested in carriage of the service. However, we must negotiate first with the Dominion Sky Angel group due to a contractual issue with them. These discussions are ongoing but I cannot be certain of any outcome yet.

Eric"

(-----Original Message-----
From: justme
To: Sahl, Eric
<eric.sahl@echostar.com>
Sent: Sat Aug 26 10:26:44 2006
Subject: 3ABN

Dear Mr. Sahl,

What are you plans regarding adding 3ABN to your programming line up?

justme)

While in most cases I have been one who has urged activist participation so as to be "a tool in the hands of God" ..... as contrasted with a do-nothing-but-pray position...... in this particular case I have "inside" information which indicates that humans have already done "their part" so we can safely rest in peace knowing that God is acting and will continue to act without further personal assistance from any of us. And I think we can also change our prayers in this particular regard from petition to praise.

What are the clues? Why do I say this? I'm sorry. I am not at liberty to say, neither would it be wise for anyone who knows to say .... at this time. Perhaps when all things have been made clear, then we can know the whole story. Suffice it for now to mention a couple thoughts from scripture; "Be sure your sins will find you out"........ and "God makes even the wrath of men to serve Him and bring glory to His Name.".......

[Panama_Pete]

While in most cases I have been one who has urged activist participation so as to be "a tool in the hands of God" ..... as contrasted with a do-nothing-but-pray position...... in this particular case I have "inside" information which indicates that humans have already done "their part" so we can safely rest in peace knowing that God is acting and will continue to act without further personal assistance from any of us. And I think we can also change our prayers in this particular regard from petition to praise.

What are the clues? Why do I say this? I'm sorry. I am not at liberty to say, neither would it be wise for anyone who knows to say .... at this time. Perhaps when all things have been made clear, then we can know the whole story. Suffice it for now to mention a couple thoughts from scripture; "Be sure your sins will find you out"........ and "God makes even the wrath of men to serve Him and bring glory to His Name.".......

Very cryptic, Watchbird

[Fran]

Very cryptic, Watchbird

And very unneccessary IMO. If the forum has no business knowing, why post it?

Sounds to me a lot like a song kids sing to make the other kids feel bad. "I know a secret! But, I can't & won't tell you! HA-HA- HA!" "Nanny, Nanny, Boo Boo!"

Sorry about that, it is late and just my first thoughts after reading it.

[Clay]

And very unneccessary IMO. If the forum has no business knowing, why post it?

Sounds to me a lot like a song kids sing to make the other kids feel bad. "I know a secret! But, I can't & won't tell you! HA-HA- HA!" "Nanny, Nanny, Boo Boo!"

Sorry about that, it is late and just my first thoughts after reading it.

yes..... in showbiz its called a "tease." And I really dislike them... share or don't share, but don't do the, I know something you don't but I can't tell you.... naw..... not feeling that one....

[watchbird]

yes..... in showbiz its called a "tease." And I really dislike them... share or don't share, but don't do the, I know something you don't but I can't tell you.... naw..... not feeling that one....

This is not "showbiz', and this is not a "tease", neither is it an "I've got a secret .... etc...."

All along through this "saga" we have referred to things of which we could only tell a small portion and could not tell the details .... the "tip of the iceberg" it has been called. I think there are those on here with whom I have enough credibilty so that my statement, cryptic or not, as to whether there is any need to contact sky angel, is valuable information. And I know that there are others on here who also know "the rest of the story". Those who don't fit into one of those two groups can simply ignore my comments and go about their business.... not exactly sure why that "business" should include criticizing me for posting it .... but.... That's OK, too, I guess..... have a good day ...... ...... there is indeed HOPE.

[Clay]

This is not "showbiz', and this is not a "tease", neither is it an "I've got a secret .... etc...."

All along through this "saga" we have referred to things of which we could only tell a small portion and could not tell the details .... the "tip of the iceberg" it has been called. I think there are those on here with whom I have enough credibilty so that my statement, cryptic or not, as to whether there is any need to contact sky angel, is valuable information. And I know that there are others on here who also know "the rest of the story". Those who don't fit into one of those two groups can simply ignore my comments and go about their business.... not exactly sure why that "business" should include criticizing me for posting it .... but.... That's OK, too, I guess..... have a good day ...... ...... there is indeed HOPE.

if you know something, and don't share that something BUT tell someone that you know something and can't share it..... in my part of the world that is called a "tease." Then to allude that others know the rest of the story too, yet it is not being shared.... that is called a "tease."

Note I am not criticizing you, but I am calling it as I am seeing it....

[watchbird]

if you know something, and don't share that something BUT tell someone that you know something and can't share it..... in my part of the world that is called a "tease." Then to allude that others know the rest of the story too, yet it is not being shared.... that is called a "tease."

Note I am not criticizing you, but I am calling it as I am seeing it....

Note that it *feels* like criticism. But that's OK, I can live with that.

I just want to note that this was not the point of my post. The point was a difference in what I had recommended .... even urged ... people to *do* .... and on this particular action of contacting dish network and sky angel. And the reason I mentioned having information I should not share at this time was to let the reader know that I had reason for changing my mind on this particular action... as contrasted with the possibility that I was just moving to the "do nothing" stance that some take.

That's all. Sorry it sounded like a "tease".

[watchbird]

This thread has wandered far away from the original comment of the thread .... and from what seemed to be the direction the creator of the thread wanted to go, as indicated by his subheading, "Fact vs. Fiction".

First a comment on the subhead..........

As I have mentioned before, the phrase "The truth is stranger than fiction" has often been affixed to the various stories coming out of 3ABN. I would like to add to that, that FACT is not only "stranger than fiction" but it is very often a great deal more unpleasant ... even downright revolting. If one is writing fiction, one is free to paint rosy pictures, to make everything come out right at the end, to make sure the "good guys" always wear white hats, and the "bad guys" always wear black ones. When one is dealing with real life and with facts rather than fiction, this is not so. The worst kinds of evil can come "garbed in garments of light". The pleasant smooth things are often the worst falsehoods, and the harshest and most repulsive facts are often the truth.

Let's look now at the story that husbandoftheyear brought to our attention thusly ....

I once overheard Melody Shelton say "Everytime I hear the 3ABN Story it gets bigger and better." As she rolled her eyes, she laughed, and walked away...

It made me wonder what the true beginning of 3ABN really involved.

And the pungent comment that PrincessDrRe added ....

Her rolling her eyes and laughing was an "interesting response" to something so stank.

Most likely DrRe' based her comment on what has been previously learned here on BSDA about the "true beginning of 3ABN".... in contrast to the "first miracle stories" which have been told about it. But I would say that actually, Melodie's response was the only one that could reasonably be made, given what she knew about that "first miracle story".

I seem to recall it being discussed in more than one thread, but the main one that I could find, was the thread entitled "Danny Marries .... again"

In deference to the rule that posts cannot be copied from one thread to another, I will only bring three brief excerpts from the discussion there, and give the url of these posts so you can go to that thread to read the whole discussion.

On Apr 11 2006, 08:05 AM ... Post #194 of the above named thread, Sister included this paragraph in a post that dealt with a number of things other than this.

"Any man who begins his ministry founded on "a first miracle" that can be easily proven to be nothing more than a lie, should be suspect. When two of the current top people in his ministry are the ones, Molly and Hal Steenson, who suggested the "miracle" and were willing to forge documents to substanciate it and over the years both they and Danny have continued to sell it to the people---there is a lot more going on "in the name of God" at 3ABN than you can imagine." See the context and read the discussion at:

http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s...ndpost&p=126171

Later that day, in Post #200, Clay asked ... "what is this "first miracle" some have referred to that started 3ABN? What have I missed?"

And in Post #203 Sister gave a more complete explanation of the facts behind the "story", with this passage being the basic facts.

"Before 3ABN started, Danny met with the Steensons when they were charismatic pastors and they offered to put on paper that they were donating around $100,000.00 worth of television equipment to him. That was the first "miracle" story that started the money rolling in. No equipment was ever donated by the Steensons, other than an SM-58 microphone that didn't work. To this day that story is told as the miracle that started 3ABN, but it is false. The first camera equipment at 3ABN came from Joe Crews at Amazing Facts and was purchased on a barter deal for air time."
http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s...ndpost&p=126260

And discussion continued from this point for several posts. This has been verified by a number of others who were in position to know the facts.

Thus it is no wonder that Melody would "roll her eyes" at the way the fictional stories had completely replaced the factual accounts of what had happened.

Fact vs Fiction? This is a good question to ask .... just so long as it is asked at least equally much of those at 3ABN who seem to think that if you tell a lie enough times it somehow morphs into truth, as it is asked of those who are only now telling the facts behind the lies.