 An Ellen White Reality Check..., something long overdue... |
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 Sep 29 2006, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE(simplysaved @ Sep 27 2006, 09:39 AM) [snapback]153899[/snapback]  Some to many Black SDA churches in major cities to not place her writing before the Bible...some do not even make regular inferences to EGW.... Well, is it "some or many"? And have you attend all of those some or many churches you speak of to make said statement? Yes/No or, have tried but it became to tiresome and or costly doing all that traveling? Please share. 
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Sep 29 2006, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE(seraph|m @ Sep 29 2006, 05:15 PM) [snapback]154419[/snapback] Well, is it "some or many"? And have you attend all of those some or many churches you speak of to make said statement? Yes/No or, have tried but it became to tiresome and or costly doing all that traveling? Please share. I can't speak to black churches in urban areas, not having been to even one in a long time  . But in my experience, it depends on the local body. Right now I live in a very rural part of the country where some congregations use her all the time, to the point of using her to interpret the Bible, and some don't. I think it mostly depends on the lay leadership (since the pastors aren't necessarily there every Sabbath). It was the same thing when I lived overseas. Individual congregations vary in flavor elsewhere too. -------------------- "The entire world is falling apart because no one will admit they are wrong." -- Don Miller, Blue Like Jazz. |
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Sep 29 2006, 07:12 PM
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Heiress Josey Group: Charter Member Posts: 9,020 Joined: 20-July 03 From: DC Metro Member No.: 6 Gender: m |
QUOTE(SoulEspresso @ Sep 29 2006, 08:40 PM) [snapback]154421[/snapback] I can't speak to black churches in urban areas, not having been to even one in a long time . But in my experience, it depends on the local body. Right now I live in a very rural part of the country where some congregations use her all the time, to the point of using her to interpret the Bible, and some don't. I think it mostly depends on the lay leadership (since the pastors aren't necessarily there every Sabbath). It was the same thing when I lived overseas. Individual congregations vary in flavor elsewhere too. Though this is true, I was asking SS because her statement suggests she knows for a fact what is or is not going on in some to must churches. Hoping to get some clarification from her. You know, get it straight from the horses mouth so to speak.
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Sep 29 2006, 07:55 PM
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the fact is that her writings are used incorrectly.... and they are used in a manner she would not have liked... Now let's deal with the issues of the church covering up the leaderships reservations about her writings and how they should be used.... not to mention they met about it then buring the minutes of the meeting for decades....
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Sep 30 2006, 01:53 AM
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QUOTE(Clay @ Sep 29 2006, 07:55 PM) [snapback]154437[/snapback] the fact is that her writings are used incorrectly.... and they are used in a manner she would not have liked... Now let's deal with the issues of the church covering up the leaderships reservations about her writings and how they should be used.... not to mention they met about it then buring the minutes of the meeting for decades.... And God's Word is often used incorrectly as well. And tithe gets used incorrectly. And the spiritual gifts get used for selfish purposes. And God's grace is abused. Christ's sacrifice will be in vain for many. Fact is: we live on a sinful planet in the midst of a war. Fact is, Ellen White didn't like that, nor does God, nor do I. -------------------- To copyright man's creation is to plagiarize God's gifts.
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Sep 30 2006, 02:13 AM
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QUOTE(Green Cochoa @ Sep 30 2006, 01:53 AM) [snapback]154482[/snapback] And God's Word is often used incorrectly as well. And tithe gets used incorrectly. And the spiritual gifts get used for selfish purposes. And God's grace is abused. Christ's sacrifice will be in vain for many. Fact is: we live on a sinful planet in the midst of a war. Fact is, Ellen White didn't like that, nor does God, nor do I. and? -------------------- "you are as sick as your secrets...." -quote from Celebrity Rehab-
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Sep 30 2006, 09:12 AM
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The fact remains that many....Many - more than not... (per my visitation of at least 50 different churches in the north to the south; east to west) have stated a Bible scripture; and then stated something akin to...
"We know this to be a fact because EG White also states...." OR "Sister White says......and this we know is true...." That is it. Point Blank. -------------------- *"Some folks use their ignorance like a umbrella. It covers everything, they perodically take it out from time to time, but it never is too far away from them."*
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Sep 30 2006, 02:12 PM
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 deep thoughts thus far!!!
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Sep 30 2006, 04:05 PM
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Then they wonder why some people have a problem & quit attending church when its their self righteous attitudes that caused it or should I say Holier than thou attitudes.
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Sep 30 2006, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE(Hersheys99 @ Sep 30 2006, 06:05 PM) [snapback]154525[/snapback] Then they wonder why some people have a problem & quit attending church when its their self righteous attitudes that caused it or should I say Holier than thou attitudes.
-------------------- *"Some folks use their ignorance like a umbrella. It covers everything, they perodically take it out from time to time, but it never is too far away from them."*
PrincessDrRe; March, 2007 ~"Blood = Meat, Face = Meat, Internal "Organs" = Meat - you can try to make it cuter; but it's still meat...."~ PrincessDrRe; September, 2007 *(NOTE: Any advice given by Re' Silvey, MSW is not to be taken as medical/mental health advice. Although trained to be a counselor, currently employed as a therapist, and currently pursuing her PhD in Counseling Psychology (ABD/I) - she is not your assigned therapist. Please consult a mental health professional of your choice for a face-to-face consultation.)* |
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Oct 1 2006, 01:58 AM
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QUOTE(PrincessDrRe @ Sep 30 2006, 04:12 PM) [snapback]154503[/snapback] The fact remains that many....Many - more than not... (per my visitation of at least 50 different churches in the north to the south; east to west) have stated a Bible scripture; and then stated something akin to... That sounds just wrong..."We know this to be a fact because EG White also states...." OR "Sister White says......and this we know is true...." That is it. Point Blank. -------------------- Christ crucified for our sins, Christ risen from the dead, Christ ascended on high, is the science of salvation that we are to learn and to teach. {8T 287.2}
Most Noble and Honourable Thomas the Abstemious of Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch "I have said it before and I repeat it now: If someone could prove to me that apartheid is compatible with the Bible or christian faith, I would burn my bible and stop being a christian" Desmond Tutu |
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Oct 1 2006, 08:28 AM
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PrincessDrRe Group: Financial Donor Posts: 9,011 Joined: 8-November 04 Member No.: 712 Gender: f |
QUOTE(västergötland @ Oct 1 2006, 02:58 AM) [snapback]154571[/snapback] That sounds just wrong... Yes...it sounds wrong. ...but it is repeated many Sabbaths in many churches.
-------------------- *"Some folks use their ignorance like a umbrella. It covers everything, they perodically take it out from time to time, but it never is too far away from them."*
PrincessDrRe; March, 2007 ~"Blood = Meat, Face = Meat, Internal "Organs" = Meat - you can try to make it cuter; but it's still meat...."~ PrincessDrRe; September, 2007 *(NOTE: Any advice given by Re' Silvey, MSW is not to be taken as medical/mental health advice. Although trained to be a counselor, currently employed as a therapist, and currently pursuing her PhD in Counseling Psychology (ABD/I) - she is not your assigned therapist. Please consult a mental health professional of your choice for a face-to-face consultation.)* |
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Oct 1 2006, 08:49 AM
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QUOTE(PrincessDrRe @ Oct 1 2006, 08:28 AM) [snapback]154589[/snapback] Yes...it sounds wrong. ...but it is repeated many Sabbaths in many churches. Would you consider it "self-righteous" or "wrong" to quote, say, Exodus 20:8 and James 2:10 and then say that we know that the Sabbath is God's law and it's wrong to break it? -------------------- To copyright man's creation is to plagiarize God's gifts.
"Our salvation depends on a knowledge of the truth contained in the Scriptures." (COL 111.3) |
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Oct 1 2006, 10:21 AM
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PrincessDrRe Group: Financial Donor Posts: 9,011 Joined: 8-November 04 Member No.: 712 Gender: f |
QUOTE(Green Cochoa @ Oct 1 2006, 10:49 AM) [snapback]154594[/snapback] Would you consider it "self-righteous" or "wrong" to quote, say, Exodus 20:8 and James 2:10 and then say that we know that the Sabbath is God's law and it's wrong to break it? What I feel is "wrong" is to say that the Bible is "Right" due to this "agreeing" with EG White..... or even taking it further.... "This is against the Bible - however EG White says it this way so...it must be right..." -------------------- *"Some folks use their ignorance like a umbrella. It covers everything, they perodically take it out from time to time, but it never is too far away from them."*
PrincessDrRe; March, 2007 ~"Blood = Meat, Face = Meat, Internal "Organs" = Meat - you can try to make it cuter; but it's still meat...."~ PrincessDrRe; September, 2007 *(NOTE: Any advice given by Re' Silvey, MSW is not to be taken as medical/mental health advice. Although trained to be a counselor, currently employed as a therapist, and currently pursuing her PhD in Counseling Psychology (ABD/I) - she is not your assigned therapist. Please consult a mental health professional of your choice for a face-to-face consultation.)* |
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Oct 1 2006, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE(PrincessDrRe @ Oct 1 2006, 10:21 AM) [snapback]154602[/snapback] What I feel is "wrong" is to say that the Bible is "Right" due to this "agreeing" with EG White..... or even taking it further.... "This is against the Bible - however EG White says it this way so...it must be right..." And do you have a list of things that are "against" the Bible which Ellen White says? -------------------- To copyright man's creation is to plagiarize God's gifts.
"Our salvation depends on a knowledge of the truth contained in the Scriptures." (COL 111.3) |
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