What Does The 3abn Board Know? Options

[daylily]

Back when Linda was first dismissed from 3ABN, a relative of mine and I were discussing it and wondering what had happened. A 3ABN board member was coming to visit this relative so she said she would ask him. At first he wouldn't tell her anything but she is very persistent. Finally with some reluctance, he told her that Linda had started keeping Sunday and was probably going to go to work for a large Sunday-keeping TV network. Now, I don't know whether he was told this and truly believed it or if he just told her something to get her off his back. But when I heard about the "spiritual adultury", I wondered if that was all the board was told and he surmised the Sunday-keeping part. I did a small experiement with several church members (none of who knew the real story of what happened at 3ABN). I asked "What is the first thing that comes to mind when I say 'spiritual adultury'?" Without exception they all answered in a way that showed that they believed it was turning your back on God by breaking His commandments. Does anybody besides the board know exactly what they were told?

I have two questions. (1) Walt Thompson mentioned "hard evidence" of an affair. Has every single board member seen and examined this evidence or were they just told about it? (2) Has Mr Joy given all the information that he has uncovered to every single board member?

This may have already been addressed here by I don't remember seeing it. Thanks for any info on this.

[Johann]

Back when Linda was first dismissed from 3ABN, a relative of mine and I were discussing it and wondering what had happened. A 3ABN board member was coming to visit this relative so she said she would ask him. At first he wouldn't tell her anything but she is very persistent. Finally with some reluctance, he told her that Linda had started keeping Sunday and was probably going to go to work for a large Sunday-keeping TV network. Now, I don't know whether he was told this and truly believed it or if he just told her something to get her off his back. But when I heard about the "spiritual adultury", I wondered if that was all the board was told and he surmised the Sunday-keeping part. I did a small experiement with several church members (none of who knew the real story of what happened at 3ABN). I asked "What is the first thing that comes to mind when I say 'spiritual adultury'?" Without exception they all answered in a way that showed that they believed it was turning your back on God by breaking His commandments. Does anybody besides the board know exactly what they were told?

I have two questions. (1) Walt Thompson mentioned "hard evidence" of an affair. Has every single board member seen and examined this evidence or were they just told about it? (2) Has Mr Joy given all the information that he has uncovered to every single board member?

This may have already been addressed here by I don't remember seeing it. Thanks for any info on this.

Some very interesting questions, Daylily! I recall Linda telling me she met a 3ABN employee some time after she was fired. She had said they were told at 3ABN that Linda had joined a strange sect and that she no longer was a Seventh-day Adventist, and that this was the reason she no longer was at 3ABN.

I soon discovered that strange fictitious stories were created, and new ones developed as the old ones were disproved, all in a futile attempt to cover Danny's track. This from people who claimed to have the truth.

Yesterday I saw an ad for a very good book, it was claimed, Ten Commandments - Twice Removed by Danny Shelton. It seems evident that Mr. Danny Shelton has removed two of them as applied to himself. Which ones?

This post has been edited by Johann: Jan 7 2007, 05:42 AM

[Green Cochoa]

Would this explain why Linda had such a hard time maintaining her church membership, against the wishes of the powers that be at 3ABN following her dismissal? Our church had already agreed, being in a different conference, to assist Linda in the event that her 3ABN church would not transfer her membership to her new location, as they were trying to get her membership dropped. (We considered reinstating it on profession of faith.) I think the reason for the attempt to disfellowship her had something to do with her adultery (there was no other reason for it they could give, so far as I know). The whole story of what the pastors in her church put her through is a shameful one. I was reminded of that part of the classic "Pollyanna" where the little girl pointed out to the minister that "no one owns a church." Only, sometimes, these things cause us to wonder who is really wielding the rod of power. I don't remember hearing how it all turned out for her, but I believe some pressure was put on some church leaders higher up by folks like us who were willing to take an active stand, and help trickled down, thwarting the best efforts of 3ABN's yes-men to put her out of the church. But hearing that such theories of Linda's departure from the faith had been circulated sure puts this whole effort to push her out of the church in a different light.

[Pickle]

Walt Thompson has said that there is hard evidence regarding Linda's guilt, and he implied that some of it was a recording of a phone conversation. At least, his written words can easily be taken that way.

Hal Steenson at ASI 2006 told me about a recording that conference presidents had listened to.

Danny's own conference president, as of late October 2006, had not yet heard that recording, and he is a member of the 3ABN board.

[sonshineonme]

Walt Thompson has said that there is hard evidence regarding Linda's guilt, and he implied that some of it was a recording of a phone conversation. At least, his written words can easily be taken that way.

Hal Steenson at ASI 2006 told me about a recording that conference presidents had listened to.

Danny's own conference president, as of late October 2006, had not yet heard that recording, and he is a member of the 3ABN board.

Once again, I believe it shows that the "board" is no board at all. If all they were told was a few mere words like "spiritual adultry" (if this is the case) and they were "satisfied" with WHATEVER they were TOLD, what kind of board is that? I think I know....they are a "yes" board, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed. What's the point of being on a board if you take NO responsilbity for your supposed desicions? I'm sure there is more then meets the eye...no one will want to give the real picture of all that goes on there, and HOW it transpires. THEY are no different then any other religion that gives or allows an assumed picture of something when in reality they are something else all together - is this not decpetion? VERY disapointing, to say the very least.

[daylily]

Well, if they believe that Danny is called by God, they are going to believe what he says. But didn't they also believe that Linda was called by God?

I hope that Mr. Joy will send all his findings to every board member. They need to hear everything. If the IL conference president hadn't heard the phone recording as of Oct, then who on the board has heard it? I seem to remember Walt saying something about limiting who they let listen to it because of not wanting to hurt Linda' reputation further or something like that. Which is ridiculous! How could they damage it more than they already did?

Mr. Pickle, if you have any influence with Mr Joy please encourage him to contact each board member and give them his information. And continue to "sift the testimony" .

[Panama_Pete]

They need to hear everything. If the IL conference president hadn't heard the phone recording as of Oct, then who on the board has heard it? I seem to remember Walt saying something about limiting who they let listen to it because of not wanting to hurt Linda' reputation further or something like that. Which is ridiculous! How could they damage it more than they already did?

It is now my understanding that such recordings may be illegal in Illinois.

How many 3ABN board members have mentioned being part of any recording effort:

approving it,
commenting upon it,
reading a transcript from it,
helping to edit it,
seeing any video tape that mentions it,
hearing it,
distributing it,
making decisions based on it, or
falling into narcoleptic sleep when told about it?

Perhaps, the board members, one by one, need to clarify that. Has anyone already done that?

This post has been edited by Panama_Pete: Jan 10 2007, 02:55 AM

[daylily]

You've made some very good points. I hope this can be clarified.

[Noahswife]

I am going to play devil's advocate here. If 3ABN is a privately held corporation, to whom do you think the board legally owes its fiduciary duty?

fi·du·ci·ar·y (f-dsh-r, -sh-r, -dy-, f-)
adj.
1.

a. Of or relating to a holding of something in trust for another: a fiduciary heir; a fiduciary contract.

b. Of or being a trustee or trusteeship.
c Held in trust.
2. Of or consisting of fiat money.
3. Of, relating to, or being a system of marking in the field of view of an optical instrument that is used as a reference point or measuring scale.

n. pl. fi·du·ci·ar·ies
One, such as an agent of a principal or a company director, that stands in a special relation of trust, confidence, or responsibility in certain obligations to others.


Sorry about the layout of the quote. I am having a hard time getting the pasted quote lined up properly.

noahswife

This post has been edited by Noahswife: Jan 11 2007, 04:44 PM

[Panama_Pete]

I am going to play devil's advocate here. If 3ABN is a privately held corporation, to whom do you think the board legally owes its fiduciary duty?

noahswife

I'll bite.

Let's continue our theoretical "devil's advocate" idea a little further and see where it goes.

Someone mentioned that Tommy would be returning in a few weeks to do some work at 3ABN.

I suppose if the highly-esteemed Tommy Shelton became President of 3ABN, as board members, we would give 100 percent of our fiduciary duty to Tommy. If Tommy, by chance, needed a bigger company car for parking along lonely country roads, it would be our jobs to make sure he got one.

And if, by chance, we ever saw the company car parked along those country roads, we, as 3ABN Board members, could feel really good knowing we were helping God's anointed to be happy. His happiness would be, indeed, our fiduciary duty.

A happy 3ABN President would mean many more souls were watching 3ABN and joining the Adventist Church. More members would mean more tithe for a bigger, stronger North American Division. With so much good being done for the Adventist Church by 3ABN, we could certainly overlook one little victim here and there. That's not really too much to ask. We're not as bad as the Druids who actually threw children into a furnace as a sacrifice. So, we would be much better in the site of God than the Druids.

And what difference would it really make, anyway? The end justifies the means, doesn't it? Maybe, in the final analysis, there's nobody upstairs keeping score of anything, anyway. Maybe we just evolved over millions of years and, maybe, we would be depriving the future President of 3ABN of some earthly pleasure for no good reason.

If there's a problem, let God handle it, if there is One. It's better just to look the other way and live our lives filled with peace and tranquility. By our peace and tranquility, people will want what we have, and we will have the opportunity to explain about what it really means to be the Remnant.

So, as 3ABN Board members, we should do our fiduciary duty and we keep quiet about 3ABN.

Thank goodness, the General Conference is bright enough to see it this way, and is dragging its feet to do nothing. It's always encouraging to see when the brighter, calmer, business-minded heads in Silver Spring prevail. Why should we think for ourselves when we have these fine folks to do it for us? Should we have thoughts and opinions of our own? I think not! That only leads to trouble that could split the unity in our church -- something to be avoided at all cost.

Therefore, keeping quiet means more money, unity, tranquility, peacefulness, and happiness for God's Remnant. What more could any God-fearing denomination ask for?

[Johann]

I'll bite.

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Therefore, keeping quiet means more money, unity, tranquility, peacefulness, and happiness for God's Remnant. What more could any God-fearing denomination ask for?

Mr. Panama Pete!!! Watcha sayin? What got into ya?

[erik]

I'll bite.

Let's continue our theoretical "devil's advocate" idea a little further and see where it goes.

Someone mentioned that Tommy would be returning in a few weeks to do some work at 3ABN.

I suppose if the highly-esteemed Tommy Shelton became President of 3ABN, as board members, we would give 100 percent of our fiduciary duty to Tommy. If Tommy, by chance, needed a bigger company car for parking along lonely country roads, it would be our jobs to make sure he got one.

And if, by chance, we ever saw the company car parked along those country roads, we, as 3ABN Board members, could feel really good knowing we were helping God's anointed to be happy. His happiness would be, indeed, our fiduciary duty.

A happy 3ABN President would mean many more souls were watching 3ABN and joining the Adventist Church. More members would mean more tithe for a bigger, stronger North American Division. With so much good being done for the Adventist Church by 3ABN, we could certainly overlook one little victim here and there. That's not really too much to ask. We're not as bad as the Druids who actually threw children into a furnace as a sacrifice. So, we would be much better in the site of God than the Druids.

And what difference would it really make, anyway? The end justifies the means, doesn't it? Maybe, in the final analysis, there's nobody upstairs keeping score of anything, anyway. Maybe we just evolved over millions of years and, maybe, we would be depriving the future President of 3ABN of some earthly pleasure for no good reason.

If there's a problem, let God handle it, if there is One. It's better just to look the other way and live our lives filled with peace and tranquility. By our peace and tranquility, people will want what we have, and we will have the opportunity to explain about what it really means to be the Remnant.

So, as 3ABN Board members, we should do our fiduciary duty and we keep quiet about 3ABN.

Thank goodness, the General Conference is bright enough to see it this way, and is dragging its feet to do nothing. It's always encouraging to see when the brighter, calmer, business-minded heads in Silver Spring prevail. Why should we think for ourselves when we have these fine folks to do it for us? Should we have thoughts and opinions of our own? I think not! That only leads to trouble that could split the unity in our church -- something to be avoided at all cost.

Therefore, keeping quiet means more money, unity, tranquility, peacefulness, and happiness for God's Remnant. What more could any God-fearing denomination ask for?

maybe the idea the truth and justice come BEFORE money and membership numbers,

[Ed White]

maybe the idea the truth and justice come BEFORE money and membership numbers,

Maybe "truth and justice" is an unknown in those circles. Kinda like the name Christian Scientist, most are neither Christian or scientist.

[watchbird]

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Good try, Pete.... but as "devil's advocate"..... even with your obvious literary genius and mastery of ironic mode.... somehow you've missed the mark here and there... and while overall you did very well.... you did leave out a few very key ingredients.... for example.....

You seem to forget that this is a "world wide" institutution.... thus the NAD is hardly the one to be most greatly benefited by having this close knit cult in its midst.... in fact, since the NAD is already "rich and increased with goods", it will improve their spiritual standing if more of those excess funds are siphened off to enrich the "House of Shelton" so as to bring them closer to the realization of their true condition.... that of imposter to the claim of being the remnant church when actually they are representatives of that apostate church called in scripture, Babylon....

Which brings up another point you missed.... that members around the world are "brought into" the church in name only.... actually their allegiance is to the "world wide organization" led by the "Anointed One" who alone represents "true Adventism". So tithes flow more into the coffers of the "House that Shelton built" than into denominational entities.... thus adding to the evidence of the great "blessings of God" that are being poured out on the "House of Shelton".

Thus little by little the "General Conference" is relegated to an inferior role to.... and even held hostage by.... the "Anointed One" who reigns in the kingdom of the "House of Shelton" cult.

What should we expect next? A stockpiling of arms as the "persecution complex" is steadily built and enhanced? A movement to a foreign land before the "koolaid" is administered as a test of loyalty to the cult followers?

I doubt it. Those are such obvious excesses.... and such a waste of resources which could be enjoyed by the rulers in the House of Shelton.... so why would they want to either stockpile ammunition with which to blow themselves up... or why would they want to kill off all the little goosies who are laying such beautiful golden eggs.

Especially when they have learned the secret formula which goes down ever so much more easily than koolaid, and which has the effect only of numbing the reasoning chambers of the mind, so that the eggs keep coming in and the things that golden eggs can buy keep on keeping the "happiness" hormones flowing..... and no one ever guesses that they have been victims of the rulers of the "House of Shelton".

And one more thought.... maybe two.... scroll down.......

I'll bite.

Let's continue our theoretical "devil's advocate" idea a little further and see where it goes.

Someone mentioned that Tommy would be returning in a few weeks to do some work at 3ABN.

I suppose if the highly-esteemed Tommy Shelton became President of 3ABN, as board members, we would give 100 percent of our fiduciary duty to Tommy. If Tommy, by chance, needed a bigger company car for parking along lonely country roads, it would be our jobs to make sure he got one.

And if, by chance, we ever saw the company car parked along those country roads, we, as 3ABN Board members, could feel really good knowing we were helping God's anointed to be happy. His happiness would be, indeed, our fiduciary duty.

A happy 3ABN President would mean many more souls were watching 3ABN and joining the Adventist Church. More members would mean more tithe for a bigger, stronger North American Division. With so much good being done for the Adventist Church by 3ABN, we could certainly overlook one little victim here and there. That's not really too much to ask. We're not as bad as the Druids who actually threw children into a furnace as a sacrifice. So, we would be much better in the site of God than the Druids.

And what difference would it really make, anyway? The end justifies the means, doesn't it? Maybe, in the final analysis, there's nobody upstairs keeping score of anything, anyway. Maybe we just evolved over millions of years and, maybe, we would be depriving the future President of 3ABN of some earthly pleasure for no good reason.

If there's a problem, let God handle it, if there is One. It's better just to look the other way and live our lives filled with peace and tranquility. By our peace and tranquility, people will want what we have, and we will have the opportunity to explain about what it really means to be the Remnant.

So, as 3ABN Board members, we should do our fiduciary duty and we keep quiet about 3ABN.

Thank goodness, the General Conference is bright enough to see it this way, and is dragging its feet to do nothing. It's always encouraging to see when the brighter, calmer, business-minded heads in Silver Spring prevail. Why should we think for ourselves when we have these fine folks to do it for us? Should we have thoughts and opinions of our own? I think not! That only leads to trouble that could split the unity in our church -- something to be avoided at all cost.

Therefore, keeping quiet means more money, unity, tranquility, peacefulness, and happiness for God's Remnant. What more could any God-fearing denomination ask for?

Please either substitute the "House of Shelton" for "God's Remnant" or make it clear that this is a title the House of Shelton is applying to themselves... and "God-fearing denomination" really needs some adjustment..... Not exactly sure what to suggest here.....

But... all in all.... good job, Panama..... I surely hope that there are board members who "pass" on the "koolaid" that is pressed upon them at their soon-coming board meeting!

[Ed White]

Wow, one doesn’t need to look for dirt to dig up anymore, just craw in your storm cellar with a periscope and WATCH it fall… wood structures & metal roofs with all the house of cards are not safe in the coming fallout.