What Does The 3abn Board Know? Options

[awesumtenor]

Can you not see When you trash the leaders and what you think is going on there, You Are trashing the ministry itself.

So John the baptist was trashing the ministry itself when he called the pharisees and sadducees out in matthew chapter 3?

So Jesus was trashing the ministry itself when He said in matthew 23:

Mat 23:13-33 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. (14) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. (15) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (16) Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! (17) Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? (18) And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. (19) Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift (20) Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. (21) And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. (22) And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. (23) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. (24) Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. (25) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. (26) Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. (27) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. (28) Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. (29) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchers of the righteous, (30) And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. (31) Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. (32) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. (33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Should Peter have had a private meeting with Ananias and Sapphira instead of calling them out before the church?

So Martin Luther was trashing the ministry itself when he nailed his 95 theses to the cathedral door?

How about Melancthon and Wycliffe and Hus and Zwingli and Calvin? Should they have all kept their peace rather than make their complaint about excesses occurring in the name of God?

The one person I can find in scripture who took the approach you suggest was Eli, who refused to rebuke his sons... and we know how that worked out for him and them.

There's a lesson in that for you, if you have ears to hear...

In His service,
Mr. J

[princessdi]

Go on and preach it, Elder!!!!!

[Aunt B]

Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else.

Aunt B

[sister]

Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else.

Aunt B

Aunt B, in one simple statement you have summed up the entire controversy in regard to the situation at 3ABN and I will repeat it again:

Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else.

[PeacefulBe]

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Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else.

Aunt B
Aunt B, in one simple statement you have summed up the entire controversy in regard to the situation at 3ABN and I will repeat it again:

Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else.

Aunt B, are these your own words? Wow! That belongs on T-shirts or at least should have its own topic here! It would be great to have it as the motto on the save3abn website. Would you mind if we suggest that to Gailon?

[husbandoftheyear]

Today's traitor is tomorrow's patriot.

Case in point...followers of Napoleon. Loyalists one day, traitors, then loyalists again, then traitors. So what we have here is really a debate about time isn't it?
Perhaps when those in power at 3ABN are out, it is you that will be the traitor, WWJD, and me the loyalist?[size=2]

[Aunt B]

Aunt B, are these your own words? Wow! That belongs on T-shirts or at least should have its own topic here! It would be great to have it as the motto on the save3abn website. Would you mind if we suggest that to Gailon?

Yes, these are my own words, and you may put them wherever you like. Just kinda came to me as I was reading...

Aunt B

[Noahswife]

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Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else.

Aunt B
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I agree this is well said and sums up many of the various threads regarding 3abn.

In addition, it is exactly why after learning of these events at 3abn a few months ago and reading about the circumstances surrounding the contract that LS signed, I saw big red flags that made me wonder what was going on.

This does not imply the contract was illegal despite the pressure Linda was under to sign it. The concept of duress has a very high standard (as well it should have to keep people from getting out of contracts because they do not like the results). With Linda's age and work experience I don't think the argument would fly that she did not exercise free will (no matter how naive she might have been).

Here is the definition of duress on the web....

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d082.htm

Although not exactly applicable, the quote also makes me think about the question of how much money was paid for the 10 commandment book that was passed out. I do not question the author's right to be paid for his or her work. What I do question is the ethics of asking someone like my mother who lives on a fixed income and has no savings after working in SDA institutions and putting her kids educations and tithing first to sacrifice further to support the book's distribution without honestly explaining Mr. Shelton would be profiting due to the sheer volume of books being purchased. Did 3abn explain this?

nw

This post has been edited by Noahswife: Jan 17 2007, 03:29 PM

[Johann]

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Here is the definition of duress on the web....

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d082.htm

That website is an eye-opener, Ms Noahswife! It really great to see how you also are searching for the truth in this matter. The truth shall make you free, has been Linda's great comfort through the past three years of duress. Her devotion and committment and trust in the Lord has been a great encouragement to me, as it was to my wife, Irmgard, until she passed away in 2005. It was great to have Linda there at her funeral where she got up and expressed her appreciation because Irmgard had neverer failed her as a friend. I know Linda wants to express her great appreciation to all of you who are sarching for the real truth in this matter.

[Rosyroi]

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Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else.

Aunt B
Aunt B, in one simple statement you have summed up the entire controversy in regard to the situation at 3ABN and I will repeat it again:

Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else.

AMEN!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!!