God Never Fires!... And Other Stories, Soundbites from Live Options

[Freedom]

Not "clueless"... just forgetting.... ignoring.... or defying the facts... that their judgment of others reveals first of all the desires, contents, intents, and purposes of their own hearts.

So OF COURSE they must claim that "God never fires"! How else could they continue in their claim to be God's "anointed one".

OF COURSE they would assume that "pastors spread rumors". That is exactly what they have done and continue to do.

And OF COURSE they note that there is "No accountability online"! That is precisely their attitude when it comes to being accountable to any authority.... be it the church they pretend to represent, the donors who support them, or the government of the country to which they belong.

Ho... humm.... so predictable.... .....

3ABN worried about accountability?
Where's 3abn accountability? Keep on Danny and "his gang"!

[Hersheys99]

Unbelievable!!!

Yes the last one sounds like Mollie to me not Shelley too Snoopy.

[Green Cochoa]

And now a few more...

Is Danny stepping down?

All Sheltons on the board?

Who is Carmelita?

No jobs at 3ABN?

Doing Satan's work...

Counterfeit message?

Any comments from the "unaccountable little group?"

This post has been edited by Green Cochoa: Jan 24 2007, 02:14 AM

Attached File(s)

 3ABN_Live_18_23Jan07_OnDannySteppingDown.mp3 ( 273.78K ) Number of downloads: 80
 3ABN_Live_18_23Jan07_SheltonsOnlyBoardMembers.mp3 ( 685.11K ) Number of downloads: 65
 3ABN_Live_18_23Jan07_AccountantCarmelita.mp3 ( 709.29K ) Number of downloads: 65
 3ABN_Live_18_23Jan07_NoJobsAt3ABN.mp3 ( 272.93K ) Number of downloads: 77
 3ABN_Live_18_23Jan07_DoingSatansWork.mp3 ( 107.92K ) Number of downloads: 58
 3ABN_Live_18_23Jan07_CounterfeitMessage.mp3 ( 67.24K ) Number of downloads: 64

 

[inga]

And now a few more...

GreenChochoa, thanks for this "ear witness" evidence.

Is Danny stepping down?

Well, the team is pretty good at propaganda.

In this one, setting up a straw man (that Danny is being asked to step down by the board of directors) and knocking him down could divert folks from the fact that programs are taken off 3ABN.

All Sheltons on the board?

Who is Carmelita?

Interesting. Carmelita Troy sounds a lot like Fran, and Fran has come to some very different conclusions. So is Carmelita around when the cash comes in? Sounds to me that she's got a long ways to look over Dan's shoulder all the way from California.

No jobs at 3ABN?

Very touching to hear Mollie (?) speak of her sacrifical service and to hear that "we're all of one heart."

Doing Satan's work...

Yes, John Lomacang is correct, "Many peoople have fallen victim to doing Satan's work." Unfortunately he's one of them. To vilify one for whom he should have had a pastoral concern and to uphold another in blatant sin is certainly not God's work.

Counterfeit message?

That one is so appropriate!! Revelation speaks of the Three Angels' Messages going to all the world, and 3ABN is essentially counterfeiting the fulfillment of this prophecy. They are applying the prophecy to themselves, when that is not what the prophecy means. It is about a message that is to go to all the world, but not necessarily by 3ABN, and I'm thinking not likely by 3ABN because they are distorting the message to the point of falsifying it.

Any comments from the "unaccountable little group?"

I have a very SLOW connection & thus have a hard time listening online to anything. But I discovered that when I clicked on the file, it would open in another window, and I could copy the URL from the address line and paste it into my download program (GetRight) and save it on my computer, for my edification and sharing any time.

This post has been edited by inga: Jan 24 2007, 03:42 AM

[Snoopy]

No jobs at 3ABN? 3ABN_Live_18_23Jan07_NoJobsAt3ABN.mp3 ( 272.93k ) Number of downloads: 21

Very touching to hear Mollie (?) speak of her sacrifical service and to hear that "we're all of one heart."

Sorry, but I believe that was Shelley!!

[Aletheia]

Three questions:

1.) In the first sound clip. Anybody happen to notice the qualifing words, When we are called by God and when we are doing God's work

followed by --- then God does not fire us

followed by: unless...

2. Anybody here trying to do God's work which they believe he called them to do, willing to deny that, and claim the opposite?

3.Anybody know who wrote the following?


" Ten days after his vision to build 3ABN, Dan and I were married. It was an amazing experience to literally watch the hand of God build this network. It was an incredible privilege to be able to participate in a ministry that was ordained in the courts of heaven. But the battles still came...the evil one was angry with such an incredible evangelistic tool." 09/15/2004

And now this:
" The reputation of a televangelist is of a delicate nature. It doesn’t take much to discredit, dishonor and damage one especially in today’s world."

"

[simplysaved]

IMO God does not fire....some just foolishly GIVE AWAY their blessing like Esau, Saul (because of his persistant disobedience), the Children of Israel. God's promises to us are always conditional upon our choices.

It may be a matter of perspective or semantics.....

Not "clueless"... just forgetting.... ignoring.... or defying the facts... that their judgment of others reveals first of all the desires, contents, intents, and purposes of their own hearts.

So OF COURSE they must claim that "God never fires"! How else could they continue in their claim to be God's "anointed one".

OF COURSE they would assume that "pastors spread rumors". That is exactly what they have done and continue to do.

And OF COURSE they note that there is "No accountability online"! That is precisely their attitude when it comes to being accountable to any authority.... be it the church they pretend to represent, the donors who support them, or the government of the country to which they belong.

Ho... humm.... so predictable.... .....

This post has been edited by simplysaved: Jan 24 2007, 09:01 AM

[Clay]

Dan 5:22-28

"Belshazzar, you are one of Nebuchadnezzar's successors. You didn't remain humble, even though you knew all this. (23) But you made yourself greater than the Lord of heaven. You had the utensils from his temple brought to you. You, your nobles, wives, and concubines drank wine from them. You praised your gods made of silver, gold, bronze, iron, wood, or stone. These gods can't see, hear, or know anything. You didn't honor God, who has power over your life and everything you do. (24) So he sent the hand to write this inscription. (25) This is what has been written: Numbered, Numbered, Weighed, and Divided. (26) This is its meaning: Numbered-God has numbered the days of your kingdom and will bring it to an end. (27) Weighed-you have been weighed on a scale and found to be too light. (28) Divided-your kingdom will be divided and given to the Medes and Persians."

This story to me is an example of God firing someone..... though I understand the point, does God fire or do people fire themselves....

[simplysaved]

Based on the text, Belshazzar's choices led to his destruction.

Another way to look at it is a child being given a toy. If they misuse it, leave it lying around on the floor, or break it, does the fault the toy is gone lie with the person who gave it or with the child?

We thank God for his grace to us in spite of ourselves, but there is always a bottom line...at some point there has to be a change or improvement.

Dan 5:22-28

This story to me is an example of God firing someone..... though I understand the point, does God fire or do people fire themselves....

[sister]

Sorry, but I believe that was Shelley!!

You are right, Snoopy, it was Shelley Quinn. Sacrificial salaries? For the rank and file at 3ABN, yes! For those on screen that evening: Danny Shelton, Mollie Steenson, Shelley Quinn, John Lomacang, Moses Primo and Larry Ewing. A resounding NO!

Moses Primo has earned over $70,000.00 per year for quite a while, plus perks.

In 2005, Mollie made $56,729.00 plus perks and in addition to that her husband Hal also also gets a paycheck from 3ABN. The two of them together? (+/ -) $100,000.00 a year. Sacrificial?

In 2005 Larry Ewing made $68,365.00 plus perks, his wife, Roi, also works at 3ABN in the pastoral department. Their salary together plus perks? Definitely not sacrificial.

Shelley Quinn and her husband both work for 3ABN. How much do you think they make, including her book royalties from "Ten Commandments Twice Removed" which she wrote together with Danny (remember millions of copies were printed, which would not have been the case if she was not working at 3ABN)? I am sure it is not what HOTY or other 3ABN employees would consider a sacrificial salary.

Oh, and don't forget John Lomacang. He earns a normal Illinois Conference pastor's salary (half of which is paid by 3ABN) and since it is paid through the Conference, he receives the benefits of an SDA pastor, including a retirement fund. Do the rank and file at 3ABN receive the benefit of having a retirement fund? No. He and his wife live next door to Danny in a home that no other Illinois Conference pastor could afford. But how much does he pay for rent? Or does he pay any rent at all? Sacrificial? Compared to Bill Gates, yes. Compared to HOTY and majority of 3ABN workers? Hardly sacrificial.

And then there is Danny Shelton...

[September]

I couldn't help but think....when Danny said that pastors were getting stuff off the internet and passing it to their congregations, when he and Molly were talking about accountability, etc., he literally advertised for this site and others who are telling the truth about what has happened at 3ABN. People probably heard that and thought, "What site?...hmmmm, lemme do a search" and voila here they are! Thanks Danny! You're bringing more and more people to read the truth!

[Snoopy]

I couldn't help but think....when Danny said that pastors were getting stuff off the internet and passing it to their congregations, when he and Molly were talking about accountability, etc., he literally advertised for this site and others who are telling the truth about what has happened at 3ABN. People probably heard that and thought, "What site?...hmmmm, lemme do a search" and voila here they are! Thanks Danny! You're bringing more and more people to read the truth!

Agreed, September!! I have learned a great deal about the history of 3ABN and the current situation simply because I was lead to research comments made by 3ABN leadership...

[Uncle Sam]

Agreed, September!! I have learned a great deal about the history of 3ABN and the current situation simply because I was lead to research comments made by 3ABN leadership...

I came upon this website the same way. I would have had no idea anything about this if it was not mentioned on 3ABN. I shared this with Walt Thompson and Danny through emails. They are hurting themselves and the ministry they say they so dearly love.....

[Snoopy]

I came upon this website the same way. I would have had no idea anything about this if it was not mentioned on 3ABN. I shared this with Walt Thompson and Danny through emails. They are hurting themselves and the ministry they say they so dearly love.....

Did Dr. Walt or Danny respond to you?

[awesumtenor]

Dan 5:22-28

This story to me is an example of God firing someone..... though I understand the point, does God fire or do people fire themselves....

Absolutely; especially in light of Daniel 4:17, which states in part: "...the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will..."

In His service,
Mr. J