Just Some Facts, Salaries Options

[Bystander]

This email was forwarded to me with permission to post it. I will do so.

3ABN income is public record. I guess anyone can get them. The question should be asked, Why did Linda make more money than Danny when she was working there. She was only Vice President. She should be making less. Did it ever occur to anyone that she felt she deserved more than the President. A very inflated view of one's self I would think.

1..Danny still makes less than most pastors when you include all their benefits. Danny does not even get retirement that all SDA pastors get.

2..The figures represented show his benefits except Health Insurance even including several thousand dollars that he pays annually for use of a company car that shows up on his income tax as a benefit thus raising the bottom line of his total income a year. Also, in 2004 and 2005 he chose to work through much of his vacation time and was paid for it, which also shows up on the bottom line
of total salary.
3..Records show that Linda had use of a company vehicle but didn't want to pay for its use. The
3ABN board voted that on top of her salary that she be given the vehicle she was driving at the time worth Approx. $15,000! She then used it as down payment to trade it in on her Approx. $47,000

2003 Toyota Sequoia.

4..Though Danny didn't get his name on the title as he thought he would, he did get stuck with the loan from Combank that still has his name along with Linda as borrower. Danny also has proof that he has payed money for Linda's vehicle even after their..........you guessed it!
The way Linda set it up is that Danny gets none of the asset of her cars worth, but is responsible for paying the liability! (notice the enclosed documents as proof! (I have a copy of the documents but can't seem to scan them on. I will try again later.) Bystander

Who said Linda is Naive! Maybe the chapter in Linda's book should be changed to Danny being the trusting, naive one!

Have people call their local Conference and ask them just how much tithe money does it take to totally pay for a pastor and his families benefits per year.

5..Danny doesn't get education benefits for his children as does conference employees for example. Some Conf. provide nearly 2/3 of their childrens school bills. If one has children in school especially academy and college this can be very costly. Thousands and thousands of dollars per year.

6..Many Conferences provide housing allowances, travel and many more perks.

7..Most Conferences claim that to totally support a pastor a church must pay at least $120,000 to $150,000 tithe. Not all of this goes to him of course.

8..It should also be noted that the Administrators of our SDA Hospitals make in the hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. Why?
Their responsibility is much more than a local pastor of a church, for instance. They are responsible to over see millions and millions of dollars a year.

9..Danny's responsibility can in no way be compared to a regular church pastor in an SDA church. How many of them are responsible for overseeing nearly 200 full time workers around the world? How many SDA pastors are "required" to raise $17,000,000 per year to keep the ministry growing and going into all the world?

10.. It has been stated here that Danny handled all the marital finances and Linda had no knowledge of such things.

Fact: Linda handled the biggest part of the finances. 3abn has access to thousands and thousands of checks written over the years for bills, groceries, purchases, utilities, ect ect in Linda's handwriting and Linda's signature

Fact: Danny does not give himself raises. Only the 3ABN board of Directors can give him a raise.

Fact: While Danny and Linda were married and they had two incomes to pay the bills, it has already been noticed that Linda chose to make more than Danny. The 3ABN board has never voted for Linda to make more money than Danny as President. As minutes to 3ABN board meeting will reflect Danny refused cost of living raises that all salaried employees get each year. Linda continued to take her money. This is how she went from making her salary of several thousand dollars a year less than Danny to making several thousands of of dollars a year more than Danny.

Fact; Danny has never faulted her for taking what the board had voted for her to take. He just didn't feel that they needed the total amount awarded by the board for salaries.


Folks don't waste your time trying to tear this up, this has all been verified.

[princessdi]

Believe it or not, I think the discussion on salaries is kind of ridiculous. I think everyone ought to get more, including Danny. He did co found a entire wolrd ministry. I have never said he didn't have his good points, and God never uses him, He does, that is apparent. That is not to say that he was perfect, he gots some serious issues with control to begin with, and it goes down hill from there. God uses each of us right where we are, Danny is His child also. T

he only thing I see is that Danny does have perks, like the use of the private jet, etc. the severely underpaid employees have no perks. Linda should have gotten more money when she left, if nothing else Danny should have had respect for the work she put into 3ABN. The courts should not have had to tell him that.

Once again, I never said Linda was perfect, don't rightly know what she was, really. Danny did himself a disservice with that gag order. The only words and deeds out there are his, and too many are down right crooked and reprehensible. If he wanted to drag Linda down with him, he should have let her speak and also be accountable for the way things were done at 3ABN, truthfully, she ain't been gone that long.....But naw, he so busy trying to shut her down. See, that be the limb the devil coaxes us onto, and then he begins to saw at the base. Now you are on here trying to back track and place some kind of blame on Linda, trying to make sure she is not seen as a victim. Or hsould I say change the view from victime to accomplice, involved in a deal where she might not have realized that there was no honor among thieves.

I don't mean if you mean to infer this, but as with Tommy(he wasn't molesting those boys, but having gay affairs), you are not saying that Danny didn't do anything wrong, but that Linda did her dirt, too. That still makes Danny wrong, and accountable. We can't ask Linda, because......guess what......you've got it!

[Snoopy]

The 3ABN board has never voted for Linda to make more money than Danny as President. As minutes to 3ABN board meeting will reflect Danny refused cost of living raises that all salaried employees get each year. Linda continued to take her money. This is how she went from making her salary of several thousand dollars a year less than Danny to making several thousands of of dollars a year more than Danny.

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Not too many of us can quote what the 3ABN board has or has not done...or would know what is or is not documented in the board meeting minutes...just an observation...

[YogusBearus]

Not too many of us can quote what the 3ABN board has or has not done...or would know what is or is not documented in the board meeting minutes...just an observation...

LOL Snoopy! That's a definite touch'e.

-Yogi

[Bystander]

Not too many of us can quote what the 3ABN board has or has not done...or would know what is or is not documented in the board meeting minutes...just an observation...

Yes, you can't dispute verified facts so all you can do is play the guessing game. And fyi there are probably 15 to 20 people who would know that information.

[Spike]

Yes, you can't dispute verified facts so all you can do is play the guessing game. And fyi there are probably 15 to 20 people who would know that information.

Where are the verified facts? Does DS have kids in school ?

[Snoopy]

And fyi there are probably 15 to 20 people who would know that information.

Of which you are obviously one...

[PrincessDrRe]

Sorry. I can't get down with the sentence:
"Danny still makes less than most pastors when you include all their benefits. Danny does not even get retirement that all SDA pastors get..."

The fact that the man has "HORSES" alone puts him above all the SDA Pastors that I know personally - one of which "subsititute teaches" to make "extra money" for the family.....

Why do so many ("regular") Pastors have broke down cars?

Why do so many ("regular") Pastors have to "beg" for a raise?



That sentence: "Danny still makes less than most pastors when you include all their benefits. Danny does not even get retirement that all SDA pastors get..." is quite off....

Sorry....

This post has been edited by PrincessDrRe: Feb 7 2007, 08:38 PM

[Bystander]

That sentence: "Danny still makes less than most pastors when you include all their benefits. Danny does not even get retirement that all SDA pastors get..." is [b]quite off....[/b]

Sorry....

Yes, I believe your thinking is quite off. Fact is Danny does not get a retirement. Fact is he didn't get school allowance for his kids. Fact is if he does make more, why shouldn't he? As posted, pastors are not responsible for bringing 17 million a year to keep a ministry running and they are not responsible for 200 employees. Fact is if a pastor doesn't like his church or location, he can ask to be transferred and not look back. Fact is a church pastor does not have to travel constantly. Fact is a church pastor doesn't have to deal with never ending phone calls, emails, letters, ect. that will run into the thousands over a short period of time. And no I am not talking about just 3abn communications, I am talking about all the personal he deals with as well.

You simply don't want to deal with this because you know it is true.

Of which you are obviously one...

Not obviously. One of them could have told me.

Where are the verified facts? Does DS have kids in school ?

He did several years ago and the conference didn't pick up the tab.

[husbandoftheyear]

He did several years ago and the conference didn't pick up the tab.

Interesting to say that the "conference didn't pay for it" instead of saying that "Dan did." That leaves a lot of options...not that I care either way, just pointing out an oddity.

[Rosyroi]

Interesting to say that the "conference didn't pay for it" instead of saying that "Dan did." That leaves a lot of options...not that I care either way, just pointing out an oddity.

About Danny and SDA pastors. I keep viewing posts that use the words Danny and SDA pastors within the same sentence. Is Danny a pastor? What I remember from Danny's stories is that he was a carpenter and was told by God to build a television network ministry that will encircle the world. Well something like it. Or is it because he built a world wide ministry that makes him a pastor? . Was he ordained? Also wondering why Danny's income is compared with SDA minister's incomes. Just confused .

[Snoopy]

Not too many of us can quote what the 3ABN board has or has not done...or would know what is or is not documented in the board meeting minutes...just an observation...

And fyi there are probably 15 to 20 people who would know that information.

Of which you are obviously one...

Not obviously. One of them could have told me.

Then shame on them for sharing confidential salary discussions with you!!! Sounds to me like there is a leak on the board...are those HP pretexters still available...???

This post has been edited by Snoopy: Feb 7 2007, 10:37 PM

[Chez]

[quote name='Bystander' date='Feb 7 2007, 09:08 PM' post='176362']
Fact is he didn't get school allowance for his kids.

How many kids does Danny have? I thought that Melody was his only child and she is a grown woman with children of her own. Hmmm....


He did several years ago and the conference didn't pick up the tab.
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Who are these children that Danny had? I thought that Melody was/is an only child. Hmmm...

[Spike]

Who are these children that Danny had? I thought that Melody was/is an only child. Hmmm...

I was wondering the same thing.

[roxe]

i've been wondering about this also...

"several years ago" would be when Linda was still there? with Nathan (and Alyssa)?

and now there's Brandy's two little girls... are they in school? who pays for them?

why only bring in "several years ago"? why not at present? are things different now?

This post has been edited by roxe: Feb 7 2007, 11:11 PM