The "real" Truth In A Nutshell Options

[steffan]

This post is from the GCO forum. It is respectful, truthful and full of good comparisons and thoughts from EGW. This man has spiritual insite and common sense.

Since others have stated their opinions about 3ABN I
thought I would weigh in on the topic also. I know
some are attacking 3ABN as never before, which doesn't
suprise me. Whenever someone is working for God there
will be attacks from without and within. Like in the
days of Nehemiah there will be false things reported
and professed friends who are really the enemies of
God's work. My suggestion to 3ABN would be to say like
Nehemiah "I am doing a great work, so that I cannot
come down: why should the work cease, whilst I leave
it, and come down to you?"
3ABN certainly isn't perfect, but they are easily the
best thing going when it comes to SDA television.
Numerous people have been brought into the remnant
church because of this ministry. New converts are
nurtured and some existing members are encouraged by
much of their programming. I would think SDA would be
excited about what God has done and is doing through
3ABN. Lets not expect too much from them, their main
job is to get people grounded in the basic truths of
the Remnant, it is the job of Greatcontroversy.org and
others to further nurture after people join the
Church. I actually believe that 3ABN does more than
just share the very basics, men like Stephen Bohr have
messages that should stir the hearts of all SDA. Most
all SDA could learn something by watching the health
programs.
As for Pastor Batchelor leading 3ABN/AF God only
knows if it is a good plan, but I'm inclined to
believe it is if they can keep from getting tied up
with the conference. The theology of AF combined with
the faith and outreach potential of 3ABN should make
for a powerful force that has satan frightened.
Whether the conference supports 3ABN or not is not a
factor in my decision to support them.
Although Danny Shelton is human and has likely made
mistakes it may be that God isn't done with him. How
many of us have had faith to do something big for God?
How many of us on the list have dedicated ourselves to
full-time ministry without knowing we are going to get
a pay check and benefits from a conference? Nobody
that knows anything about 3ABN believes that Danny
could have built this ministry unless God was in it,
Danny isn't smart enough and I don't mean that in a
bad way. 3ABN isn't about Danny, it is about people
learning to trust, love, and obey God. As Debbie has
rightly said Danny hasn't been proved guilty of
anything. If being divorced and remarried is always
wrong then Doug Batchelor wouldn't be qualified to
lead a ministry either. I'm not sure if we want to get
into details about the divorce, but I will say that I
have or had a copy of an email from Dr. Walt Thompson
3ABN Board Chairman that helps clarify that Danny
didn't sin in getting married again. As for the fact
that there is an age difference between Danny and his
wife, inspiration doesn't forbid this. EGW even
recommended that Elder Butler (or at least I think it
was him) marry a woman that was over 30 years younger
than him, although he didn't because of complaints by
their family. She also told JN Andrews that he should
find another wife before going to europe to do
ministry, she said that he needed a wife. The Bible
and SOP teach that marriage can be a blessing and that
some people are spiritually better off because of it.
Let us be careful that we don't oppose what God has
blessed. I know that I along with many others might
not be rejoicing in the truth today if not for the
ministry of 3ABN.
Sincerly,
Rusty Moreland

[Richard Sherwin]

So people being against you is proof that you are right? Ya....right.

This post is from the GCO forum. It is respectful, truthful and full of good comparisons and thoughts from EGW. This man has spiritual insite and common sense.

Since others have stated their opinions about 3ABN I
thought I would weigh in on the topic also. I know
some are attacking 3ABN as never before, which doesn't
suprise me. Whenever someone is working for God there
will be attacks from without and within. Like in the
days of Nehemiah there will be false things reported
and professed friends who are really the enemies of
God's work. My suggestion to 3ABN would be to say like
Nehemiah "I am doing a great work, so that I cannot
come down: why should the work cease, whilst I leave
it, and come down to you?"
3ABN certainly isn't perfect, but they are easily the
best thing going when it comes to SDA television.
Numerous people have been brought into the remnant
church because of this ministry. New converts are
nurtured and some existing members are encouraged by
much of their programming. I would think SDA would be
excited about what God has done and is doing through
3ABN. Lets not expect too much from them, their main
job is to get people grounded in the basic truths of
the Remnant, it is the job of Greatcontroversy.org and
others to further nurture after people join the
Church. I actually believe that 3ABN does more than
just share the very basics, men like Stephen Bohr have
messages that should stir the hearts of all SDA. Most
all SDA could learn something by watching the health
programs.
As for Pastor Batchelor leading 3ABN/AF God only
knows if it is a good plan, but I'm inclined to
believe it is if they can keep from getting tied up
with the conference. The theology of AF combined with
the faith and outreach potential of 3ABN should make
for a powerful force that has satan frightened.
Whether the conference supports 3ABN or not is not a
factor in my decision to support them.
Although Danny Shelton is human and has likely made
mistakes it may be that God isn't done with him. How
many of us have had faith to do something big for God?
How many of us on the list have dedicated ourselves to
full-time ministry without knowing we are going to get
a pay check and benefits from a conference? Nobody
that knows anything about 3ABN believes that Danny
could have built this ministry unless God was in it,
Danny isn't smart enough and I don't mean that in a
bad way. 3ABN isn't about Danny, it is about people
learning to trust, love, and obey God. As Debbie has
rightly said Danny hasn't been proved guilty of
anything. If being divorced and remarried is always
wrong then Doug Batchelor wouldn't be qualified to
lead a ministry either. I'm not sure if we want to get
into details about the divorce, but I will say that I
have or had a copy of an email from Dr. Walt Thompson
3ABN Board Chairman that helps clarify that Danny
didn't sin in getting married again. As for the fact
that there is an age difference between Danny and his
wife, inspiration doesn't forbid this. EGW even
recommended that Elder Butler (or at least I think it
was him) marry a woman that was over 30 years younger
than him, although he didn't because of complaints by
their family. She also told JN Andrews that he should
find another wife before going to europe to do
ministry, she said that he needed a wife. The Bible
and SOP teach that marriage can be a blessing and that
some people are spiritually better off because of it.
Let us be careful that we don't oppose what God has
blessed. I know that I along with many others might
not be rejoicing in the truth today if not for the
ministry of 3ABN.
Sincerly,
Rusty Moreland

[ShellyofTexas]

Let me address the following:


Although Danny Shelton is human and has likely made
mistakes it may be that God isn't done with him. How
many of us have had faith to do something big for God?

Being Seventh-Day Adventist IS one of the hardest Christian denominations to be in. By being an Adventist and admitting it without reservation inspite of a child molester in the spotlight…oh I am doing something big for GOD. Oh yes and helping pathfinders.

How many of us on the list have dedicated ourselves to
full-time ministry without knowing we are going to get
a pay check and benefits from a conference?

I have! At times I was worse than a Morman on a bike in my determination. And I did it while keeping my hands to myself.

Nobody
that knows anything about 3ABN believes that Danny
could have built this ministry unless God was in it,

You don’t give satan enough credit. He is good bringing people to the well and leading them away when it runs dry. Plus, NOTHING done in the dark stays there.

The best way to make people forget about the ills of your past is to make them fall in love with you in the future. Celebrities have this to a science…Obviously so does Danny.


Danny isn't smart enough and I don't mean that in a
bad way. 3ABN isn't about Danny, it is about people
learning to trust, love, and obey God. As Debbie has
rightly said Danny hasn't been proved guilty of
anything.

Are you kidding me? If this “man” as done ill will against 1 child then in my book he should pay (do the time for the crime). It is like he is our own Adventist Paris Hilton/Leberachi.

Does he get to do what he wants until the law catched up with him?
Are we a denomination that allows molestations and inappropriateness with child go on and turn or head?

He has ruined LIVES and FAMILIES. It will take generations before his actions can even begin to become erased in those family lines. I just don’t get it. I just don’t get it. Does he have to be caught on video before people are like, “Hey maybe we should distance ourselves from this dude…”

This is just so disgusting…I just can’t….

[mikell]

Let me address the following:

Shelly, you just restore my faith into that there are courageous Seventh day Adventists who are not afraid to stand and who are not BLINDED! What you wrote...

[Observer]

How many of us have had faith to do something big for God?
How many of us on the list have dedicated ourselves to
full-time ministry without knowing we are going to get
a pay check and benefits from a conference?

You just might be surpriset if you knew how often that has happened, and if you knew the people resding these messages who may have doen such.

If you understand Scripture; if your understand denominational and Christian history; if you were aware of people living and workign today; you just might realize that God calls people of faith to take major steps in faith. Those called people respond to the call.

[Ozzie]

This post is from the GCO forum. It is respectful, truthful and full of good comparisons and thoughts from EGW. This man has spiritual insite and common sense.

Since others have stated their opinions about 3ABN I
thought I would weigh in on the topic also. I know
some are attacking 3ABN as never before, which doesn't
suprise me. Whenever someone is working for God there
will be attacks from without and within. Like in the
days of Nehemiah there will be false things reported
and professed friends who are really the enemies of
God's work. My suggestion to 3ABN would be to say like
Nehemiah "I am doing a great work, so that I cannot
come down: why should the work cease, whilst I leave
it, and come down to you?"
3ABN certainly isn't perfect, but they are easily the
best thing going when it comes to SDA television.
Numerous people have been brought into the remnant
church because of this ministry. New converts are
nurtured and some existing members are encouraged by
much of their programming. I would think SDA would be
excited about what God has done and is doing through
3ABN. Lets not expect too much from them, their main
job is to get people grounded in the basic truths of
the Remnant, it is the job of Greatcontroversy.org and
others to further nurture after people join the
Church. I actually believe that 3ABN does more than
just share the very basics, men like Stephen Bohr have
messages that should stir the hearts of all SDA. Most
all SDA could learn something by watching the health
programs.
As for Pastor Batchelor leading 3ABN/AF God only
knows if it is a good plan, but I'm inclined to
believe it is if they can keep from getting tied up
with the conference. The theology of AF combined with
the faith and outreach potential of 3ABN should make
for a powerful force that has satan frightened.
Whether the conference supports 3ABN or not is not a
factor in my decision to support them.
Although Danny Shelton is human and has likely made
mistakes it may be that God isn't done with him. How
many of us have had faith to do something big for God?
How many of us on the list have dedicated ourselves to
full-time ministry without knowing we are going to get
a pay check and benefits from a conference? Nobody
that knows anything about 3ABN believes that Danny
could have built this ministry unless God was in it,
Danny isn't smart enough and I don't mean that in a
bad way. 3ABN isn't about Danny, it is about people
learning to trust, love, and obey God. As Debbie has
rightly said Danny hasn't been proved guilty of
anything. If being divorced and remarried is always
wrong then Doug Batchelor wouldn't be qualified to
lead a ministry either. I'm not sure if we want to get
into details about the divorce, but I will say that I
have or had a copy of an email from Dr. Walt Thompson
3ABN Board Chairman that helps clarify that Danny
didn't sin in getting married again. As for the fact
that there is an age difference between Danny and his
wife, inspiration doesn't forbid this. EGW even
recommended that Elder Butler (or at least I think it
was him) marry a woman that was over 30 years younger
than him, although he didn't because of complaints by
their family. She also told JN Andrews that he should
find another wife before going to europe to do
ministry, she said that he needed a wife. The Bible
and SOP teach that marriage can be a blessing and that
some people are spiritually better off because of it.
Let us be careful that we don't oppose what God has
blessed. I know that I along with many others might
not be rejoicing in the truth today if not for the
ministry of 3ABN.
Sincerly,
Rusty Moreland

So, Danny/Bystander/Steffan
Coz one person writes this, we're all supposed to cheer you on are we? Doesn't work like that Mate. Got to hand it to you, you know how to twist and squirm. It dosen't help you case that there are so many victims out there, whom you've chosen to contune to try to humiliate, and then you try to defend yourself about the 'quickie' divorce Time that this sick saga just goes up in your face Poor Danny/Bystander/Steffan

[LaurenceD]

Wasn't it Rusty Moreland (or someone just like him) who wrote the exact same thing about Jim Bakker and the Trinity Broadcasting Network?

[mikell]

So, Danny/Bystander/Steffan
Coz one person writes this, we're all supposed to cheer you on are we? Doesn't work like that Mate. Got to hand it to you, you know how to twist and squirm. It dosen't help you case that there are so many victims out there, whom you've chosen to contune to try to humiliate, and then you try to defend yourself about the 'quickie' divorce Time that this sick saga just goes up in your face Poor Danny/Bystander/Steffan

Ozzie, you are after my own heart, great what you just wrote! Ha, either its ds or his evil furious twin!

[erik]

This post is from the GCO forum. It is respectful, truthful and full of good comparisons and thoughts from EGW. This man has spiritual insite and common sense.

Since others have stated their opinions about 3ABN I
thought I would weigh in on the topic also. I know
some are attacking 3ABN as never before, which doesn't
suprise me. Whenever someone is working for God there
will be attacks from without and within. Like in the
days of Nehemiah there will be false things reported
and professed friends who are really the enemies of
God's work. My suggestion to 3ABN would be to say like
Nehemiah "I am doing a great work, so that I cannot
come down: why should the work cease, whilst I leave
it, and come down to you?"
3ABN certainly isn't perfect, but they are easily the
best thing going when it comes to SDA television.
Numerous people have been brought into the remnant
church because of this ministry. New converts are
nurtured and some existing members are encouraged by
much of their programming. I would think SDA would be
excited about what God has done and is doing through
3ABN. Lets not expect too much from them, their main
job is to get people grounded in the basic truths of
the Remnant, it is the job of Greatcontroversy.org and
others to further nurture after people join the
Church. I actually believe that 3ABN does more than
just share the very basics, men like Stephen Bohr have
messages that should stir the hearts of all SDA. Most
all SDA could learn something by watching the health
programs.
As for Pastor Batchelor leading 3ABN/AF God only
knows if it is a good plan, but I'm inclined to
believe it is if they can keep from getting tied up
with the conference. The theology of AF combined with
the faith and outreach potential of 3ABN should make
for a powerful force that has satan frightened.
Whether the conference supports 3ABN or not is not a
factor in my decision to support them.
Although Danny Shelton is human and has likely made
mistakes it may be that God isn't done with him. How
many of us have had faith to do something big for God?
How many of us on the list have dedicated ourselves to
full-time ministry without knowing we are going to get
a pay check and benefits from a conference? Nobody
that knows anything about 3ABN believes that Danny
could have built this ministry unless God was in it,
Danny isn't smart enough and I don't mean that in a
bad way. 3ABN isn't about Danny, it is about people
learning to trust, love, and obey God. As Debbie has
rightly said Danny hasn't been proved guilty of
anything. If being divorced and remarried is always
wrong then Doug Batchelor wouldn't be qualified to
lead a ministry either. I'm not sure if we want to get
into details about the divorce, but I will say that I
have or had a copy of an email from Dr. Walt Thompson
3ABN Board Chairman that helps clarify that Danny
didn't sin in getting married again. As for the fact
that there is an age difference between Danny and his
wife, inspiration doesn't forbid this. EGW even
recommended that Elder Butler (or at least I think it
was him) marry a woman that was over 30 years younger
than him, although he didn't because of complaints by
their family. She also told JN Andrews that he should
find another wife before going to europe to do
ministry, she said that he needed a wife. The Bible
and SOP teach that marriage can be a blessing and that
some people are spiritually better off because of it.
Let us be careful that we don't oppose what God has
blessed. I know that I along with many others might
not be rejoicing in the truth today if not for the
ministry of 3ABN.
Sincerly,
Rusty Moreland

Steffen and rusty,


How can you with a clean and hands and pure heart, Even suggest with a straight face that EGW would approve of DS putting aside LS for BS, based on at best were phone calls that lasted a long time.

Are you so lost in the kingdom of 3abn that you have lost sight of Jesus, and his message to men in hosea.

I guess this is all I will say at this time, because "I can not be nice about what i want to say next.

Erik W.

[PeacefulBe]

Has anyone else heard of GCO Forum?

The only GCO Forum that I can raise with Google is for gaming with an emphasis on Star Trek Next Gen trekkies. Most of posts seem to be in either in German or some Scandinavian language.

Steffan,

Could you please provide a link to Rusty Moreland's post on GCO Forum? Thanks!

This post has been edited by PeacefullyBewildered: Jun 10 2007, 11:03 AM

[Skyhook]

Pb, The GCO forum is a closed forum owned by Larry Kirkpatrick who is the pastor of the Mentone CA church in the Southeast Conference, near Loma Linda. His website is www.greatcontroversy.org which has a lot of sermons and material. Kevin Paulsen is a major contributer to the material. I think some of Dennis Preibe's writings are posted there as well. You cannot access the discussion forum from the website, and only members can access it.

This post has been edited by Skyhook: Jun 10 2007, 11:59 AM

[PeacefulBe]

Thank you, Skyhook!

I'm actually reading Dennis Preibe's article on the feast days right now. Quite interesting.

This post has been edited by PeacefullyBewildered: Jun 10 2007, 12:01 PM

[Rosyroi]

"The real truth in a nutshell"

I was ready to spit nails after that *-----* story. Had to walk away to calm down. Take a deep breath, meditate, do some yoga, pray, sleep on it.

A lot of things to say about it but won't.

Just one little itty bitty question that I have asked before but never got an answer. Only Steffan/Bystander/Danny can answer it.

Why the quick emergency secret meeting in Colorado? Sure does sound like a panic to regroup for something... what... to cover up another "Danny mess"? To quickly ask DB to "merge" so Danny can say "Can't touch this"?

Oh well... why should I bother? I won't get an honest answer anyway...sigh...

spin on...

Rosyroi

Steffen and rusty,
How can you with a clean and hands and pure heart, Even suggest with a straight face that EGW would approve of DS putting aside LS for BS, based on at best were phone calls that lasted a long time.

Are you so lost in the kingdom of 3abn that you have lost sight of Jesus, and his message to men in hosea.

I guess this is all I will say at this time, because "I can not be nice about what i want to say next.

Erik W.

It is hard to keep on being nice...
Rosyroi

[mozart]

Games and Trekkies ??? maybe you did find the right forum PB

Has anyone else heard of GCO Forum?

The only GCO Forum that I can raise with Google is for gaming with an emphasis on Star Trek Next Gen trekkies. Most of posts seem to be in either in German or some Scandinavian language.

Steffan,

Could you please provide a link to Rusty Moreland's post on GCO Forum? Thanks!

[steffan]

Steffen and rusty,
How can you with a clean and hands and pure heart, Even suggest with a straight face that EGW would approve of DS putting aside LS for BS, based on at best were phone calls that lasted a long time.

Are you so lost in the kingdom of 3abn that you have lost sight of Jesus, and his message to men in hosea.

I guess this is all I will say at this time, because "I can not be nice about what i want to say next.

Erik W.

Erik, how can you with clean hands and a pure heart Accuse Danny of having an affair with Brandi (that is what you are saying) and then making the statement that all he had on Linda were phone calls at best? Your judgements and condemnation on what you have heard goes against anything and everything of a spiritual nature, whether it be SOP or God's Word. It has been shown here time and again, the dates of events and we have established that Brandi didn't even move here until 6 months after the divorce. Employee records will show the same. There has been NO evidence whatsoever then or now that has even hinted that DS knew Brandi much less had a relationship with her while Linda was still in the picture.
As for your other accusation about phone calls only????? How can you state that as fact??? Because you haven't seen it???? Please give me a break. There are enough that have seen it, including , but not limited to, some of the board members that can and will verify they have seen it if need be. You, on the other hand, have been a witness to nothing, including, your accusations here. Your slanderous statements are a perfect example of how the 3abn story has gotten to this point. You and others who makes these statements, without knowing or witnessing all the facts are accountable for your words to God and man, if need be.