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http://savedthru3abn.org/ (Copyrighted by 3ABN)
Can you be saved through 3ABN? "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12 Would someone care to launch: "www.savedthruellenwhite.org" "www.savedthrusdachurch.org" "www.savedthrudoctrine.org" "www.savedthruthegc.org" "www.savedthrujanpaulsen.org" "www.savedthruamazingfacts.org" "www.savedthrugailon.org" "www.savedthruasi.org" "www.savedthrunuttybars.org" Would that be akin to: "www.savedthruthepope.org" "www.savedthrumary.org" "www.savedthrumypriest.org" "www.savedthruthesaints.org" This post has been edited by beartrap: Jul 11 2007, 02:23 PM |
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Jul 11 2007, 02:29 PM
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They do attribute the glory to God, on the site.
Just wondering why a nondenominational site is using quotes from EGW though. |
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Jul 11 2007, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(Brenda @ Jul 11 2007, 01:29 PM)  They do attribute the glory to God, on the site. Just wondering why a nondenominational site is using quotes from EGW though. Some can become good at doing all the right things for all the wrong reasons. 
-------------------- Here's the thing - "...if you pull "folks" into a fight you don't know what "weapon" they will bring." PrincessDrRe "A man who digs a pit for others to fall into, will end up falling into it himself. And if a man rolls a stone on someone, the stone will roll back on him". Said Solomon the wise, Proverbs 26:27 "No man can follow Christ and go astray." William H.P. Faunce "If I could hear Christ praying for me in the next room, I would not fear a million enemies. Yet distance makes no difference. He is praying for me." Robert M. McCheyne Click here for Linda Shelton's newly updated website |
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Jul 11 2007, 03:39 PM
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Well, it is my belief that 3ABN saves or has saved no one; zilch; zero!
GOD is in the business of saving souls! The harvest is HIS harvest, not 3ABN's.  I know of no one saved by the Seventh-day Adventist church either. When someone usurps the credit that belongs to GOD, RUN FAST AND FAR. 
-------------------- The greatest want of the world is the want of men-- men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall. {Ed 57.3}
But such a character is not the result of accident; it is not due to special favors or endowments of Providence. A noble character is the result of self-discipline, of the subjection of the lower to the higher nature--the surrender of self for the service of love to God and man. {Ed 57.4} |
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Jul 11 2007, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(Fran @ Jul 11 2007, 02:39 PM) Well, it is my belief that 3ABN saves or has saved no one; zilch; zero! GOD is in the business of saving souls! The harvest is HIS harvest, not 3ABN's. I know of no one saved by the Seventh-day Adventist church either. When someone usurps the credit that belongs to GOD, RUN FAST AND FAR. AMEN! Looks like maybe some of their true colors may be shining again  I would be curious to know just when this particular site was "launched" an dhow long it might stay just the way it is.... I guess I have had it wrong all these years... I thought I was savedthrujesus? This post has been edited by sonshineonme: Jul 11 2007, 04:08 PM -------------------- Here's the thing - "...if you pull "folks" into a fight you don't know what "weapon" they will bring." PrincessDrRe "A man who digs a pit for others to fall into, will end up falling into it himself. And if a man rolls a stone on someone, the stone will roll back on him". Said Solomon the wise, Proverbs 26:27 "No man can follow Christ and go astray." William H.P. Faunce "If I could hear Christ praying for me in the next room, I would not fear a million enemies. Yet distance makes no difference. He is praying for me." Robert M. McCheyne Click here for Linda Shelton's newly updated website |
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Jul 11 2007, 04:22 PM
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Ok, so I can understand that those who weren't born, raised,a nd never left Adventism, might have found memories of hte pastor, evangelist, Bible worker, member, who had a hand in them coming into this message. However, it takes a kind of sinister turn when anyone of them establish a whole website about people who have been saved through them. All they have done in god's name? I can even go for the testimonials on their regular website, that is allowable, but an entire website? This is damamge control, they need something after the real deal came out about them considering themselves nondenom.
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Di And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose---Romans 8:28 A great many people believe they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.-- William James It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.- Mark Twain |
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Jul 11 2007, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE(Brenda @ Jul 11 2007, 01:29 PM) They do attribute the glory to God, on the site. Just wondering why a nondenominational site is using quotes from EGW though. Yes, they do give God the glory on the site, but the site name does raise serious questions. According to The Free Online Dictionary, "thru" means the same as "through". Their definition of "through" that fits this application is as follows: Through - By the means or agency of It is my opinion that we are not saved through any means or agency other than through God. Somebody somewhere just didn't think this title through carefully enough, at least I hope this is the case. Certainly they don't mean to usurp the Lord's position as Savior. As to 3abn's nondenominational status, someone who I personally know quite well contacted Dr. Thompson to question this position that was stated in the lawsuit so recently unimpounded. She is allowing it to be shared since no request of confidentiality was expressed by either party. ----- Original Message ----- From:****** To: Walt Thompson Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Lawsuit Dear Walt, I am writing to you today with a very sad heart. When the lawsuit details were unimpounded and I read through the text, I was shocked and dismayed with the declaration of "non-denominational" status. As someone who counts the 3abn programming, the very messages as partly responsible for opening my heart to the urging of the Holy Spirit to return to God, this felt like a betrayal. Walt, as a man of God who has served our denomination for all of these years, did you support this declaration? How do you think our Lord feels about this? On the 3abn site, there still is the image of the 1997 contract signed by Danny and Linda Shelton and General Conference officials and a conference official recently confirmed that 3abn was still considered a supporting ministry of the Seventh-day Adventist church. Something in all of this just doesn't ring true! I continue to pray for 3abn, for you and the rest of leadership that you will choose to stand strong and true to our Father and our Savior and that you will choose to follow the right Spirit. It is God's Glory that matters the most. ----- Original Message ----- From: Walt Thompson To: ******* Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: Re: Lawsuit Dear *****, Thanks for sharing your concerns. I am sorry for your sad heart. Please allow me to attempt to cheer it. You are correct. 3abn remains a supporting ministry of the SDA church and is a member of ASI, a SDA lay organization. It is not however, a denomination as such. The document states that "Although many of 3ABN's employees and volunteers, including Plaintiff, Danny Shelton, are members of the Seventh-day Adventist faith, 3ABN is a non-denominational Christian ministry which is not owned by, affiliated with, or financed by any specific church denomination or organization." This is a legally correct statement I believe. While almost all of the leadership personnel, volunteers and many of the employees are SDA, and while the ministry is teaching and preaching the Adventist Three Angel's Message, and receives most of its financial support from Adventists, it is not Considered a Church or a denomination - nor does it claim to limit its ministry to SDA's. 3ABN is a ministry existing within the SDA Church with the commission to call God's people from all faiths, and from no faith at all, out of Babylon. In fact, a few years ago when we were dealing with the State's desire to tax ministry facilities, suggestions were made that if we were to become a Church (denomination) we would be in a better position with the State as far as taxes are concerned. Of course, we did not do that, but it does indicate how we are viewed legally. This is a Seventh-day Adventist ministry, and has no intentions to be anything else. We have a calling from God that we cannot ignore, irrespective of how we are legally considered. I hope this is helpful to you. Sincerely in Jesus' precious name, Walt Walter Thompson MD When I read this, rather than help me feel okay about the statement of non-denominational status, this shared email dialogue made me question the very ethics of the leadership at 3abn for it seems as though even their chairman feels it is legally correct to talk out of both sides of their mouth if it appears to suit their purposes. Does this smack of Christian honesty? I remember something I read years ago about not bearing "false witness". I wonder how the court would view the above email response from Walt Thompson when weighed against the declaration spelled out so cleary in the lawsuit? -------------------- Got Peace?
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. "Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else." Aunt B, 2007 |
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Jul 11 2007, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE(beartrap @ Jul 12 2007, 06:16 AM) http://savedthru3abn.org/ (Copyrighted by 3ABN) Can you be saved through 3ABN? "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12 What an ego to even think of such a name for a website!  "Pride cometh before a fall". I wonder if DS has ever heard that remark?Sad to think that anyone thinks a person can be saved by any other way, that through Jesus. Certainly, one CANNOT be saved through 3ABN. Lexie -------------------- "It's important that people know what you stand for. It's equally important that they know what you won't stand for."
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Jul 11 2007, 08:09 PM
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PB,
Some will argue, as Walt has done, that "non-denominational" doesn't mean what it typically means. But none can argue that not being affiliated with any church, denomination, or organization, as the lawsuit claims, can be in harmony with Walt's assertions above. |
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Jul 11 2007, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE(PeacefullyBewildered @ Jul 11 2007, 07:29 PM) Yes, they do give God the glory on the site, but the site name does raise serious questions. According to The Free Online Dictionary, "thru" means the same as "through". Their definition of "through" that fits this application is as follows: Through - By the means or agency of It is my opinion that we are not saved through any means or agency other than through God. Somebody somewhere just didn't think this title through carefully enough, at least I hope this is the case. Certainly they don't mean to usurp the Lord's position as Savior. As to 3abn's nondenominational status, someone who I personally know quite well contacted Dr. Thompson to question this position that was stated in the lawsuit so recently unimpounded. She is allowing it to be shared since no request of confidentiality was expressed by either party. ----- Original Message ----- From:****** To: Walt Thompson Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Lawsuit Dear Walt, I am writing to you today with a very sad heart. When the lawsuit details were unimpounded and I read through the text, I was shocked and dismayed with the declaration of "non-denominational" status. As someone who counts the 3abn programming, the very messages as partly responsible for opening my heart to the urging of the Holy Spirit to return to God, this felt like a betrayal. Walt, as a man of God who has served our denomination for all of these years, did you support this declaration? How do you think our Lord feels about this? On the 3abn site, there still is the image of the 1997 contract signed by Danny and Linda Shelton and General Conference officials and a conference official recently confirmed that 3abn was still considered a supporting ministry of the Seventh-day Adventist church. Something in all of this just doesn't ring true! I continue to pray for 3abn, for you and the rest of leadership that you will choose to stand strong and true to our Father and our Savior and that you will choose to follow the right Spirit. It is God's Glory that matters the most. ----- Original Message ----- From: Walt Thompson To: ******* Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: Re: Lawsuit Dear *****, Thanks for sharing your concerns. I am sorry for your sad heart. Please allow me to attempt to cheer it. You are correct. 3abn remains a supporting ministry of the SDA church and is a member of ASI, a SDA lay organization. It is not however, a denomination as such. The document states that "Although many of 3ABN's employees and volunteers, including Plaintiff, Danny Shelton, are members of the Seventh-day Adventist faith, 3ABN is a non-denominational Christian ministry which is not owned by, affiliated with, or financed by any specific church denomination or organization." This is a legally correct statement I believe. While almost all of the leadership personnel, volunteers and many of the employees are SDA, and while the ministry is teaching and preaching the Adventist Three Angel's Message, and receives most of its financial support from Adventists, it is not Considered a Church or a denomination - nor does it claim to limit its ministry to SDA's. 3ABN is a ministry existing within the SDA Church with the commission to call God's people from all faiths, and from no faith at all, out of Babylon. In fact, a few years ago when we were dealing with the State's desire to tax ministry facilities, suggestions were made that if we were to become a Church (denomination) we would be in a better position with the State as far as taxes are concerned. Of course, we did not do that, but it does indicate how we are viewed legally. This is a Seventh-day Adventist ministry, and has no intentions to be anything else. We have a calling from God that we cannot ignore, irrespective of how we are legally considered. I hope this is helpful to you. Sincerely in Jesus' precious name, Walt Walter Thompson MD When I read this, rather than help me feel okay about the statement of non-denominational status, this shared email dialogue made me question the very ethics of the leadership at 3abn for it seems as though even their chairman feels it is legally correct to talk out of both sides of their mouth if it appears to suit their purposes. Does this smack of Christian honesty? I remember something I read years ago about not bearing "false witness". I wonder how the court would view the above email response from Walt Thompson when weighed against the declaration spelled out so cleary in the lawsuit? Walt's reply is a pitiful, pathetic attempt to defend something that is clearly indefensible. It is insulting to the person he responded to to think that they would buy his claim that in the case of 3abn, "non-denominational" simply means "not a denomination." That is nothing more than sophistry, and it is only adding to their problems. It seems that Danny and 3abn continue to do exactly the opposite of what might help them. Danny and Walt must live in a shared delusion. The french have a phrase for something like that. "folle a deux" (spelling?) It reminds me of Nixon's responses to Watergate. Some journalists who studied that debacle in retrospect noted that those from whom he took advice outlined the strategy that took him right out of the White house, and He did not seek advice from those who were available and would likely have steered him in the right direction. |
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Jul 11 2007, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(beartrap @ Jul 11 2007, 04:16 PM) http://savedthru3abn.org/ (Copyrighted by 3ABN) Can you be saved through 3ABN? "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12 Would someone care to launch: "www.savedthruellenwhite.org" "www.savedthrusdachurch.org" "www.savedthrudoctrine.org" "www.savedthruthegc.org" "www.savedthrujanpaulsen.org" "www.savedthruamazingfacts.org" "www.savedthrugailon.org" "www.savedthruasi.org" "www.savedthrunuttybars.org" Would that be akin to: "www.savedthruthepope.org" "www.savedthrumary.org" "www.savedthrumypriest.org" "www.savedthruthesaints.org" You forgot: "www.savedthruvegetarianism.org" "www.savedthrusabbathkeeping.org" "www.savedthrubeingtheremnant.org" if we're keeping score, of course... In His service, Mr. J -------------------- There is no one more dangerous than one who thinks he knows God with a mind that is ignorant - Dr. Lewis Anthony
You’ve got to be real comfortable in your own skin to survive the animosity your strength evokes in people you'd hope would like you. - Dr. Renita Weems |
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Jul 11 2007, 09:47 PM
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My take on the website...
DS just has to tell that same OLD story again and again and again... I got VERY tired of DS story a long time ago and was wondering when he would start ministering to others telling of the beautiful wonderful story of JESUS instead of patting himself on the back all the time. JMHO Rosyroi -------------------- "Joy, Love, Peace, Long Suffering, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith, Meekness, and Self Control are what being full of the Holy Spirit is all about." Galations 5. "Don't waste your time waiting and longing for large opportunities which may never come, but faitfully handle the little things that are always claiming your attention..." F.B. Meyers "Truth welcomes examination and doesn't need to defend itself, while deception hides in darkness and blames everyone else." Aunt B. 2007 "For GOD so LOVED you and me..." John 3:16 "I believe that there is a devil, and here's Satan's agenda. First, he doesn't want anyone having kids. Secondly, if they do conceive, he wants them killed. If they're not killed through abortion, he wants them neglected or abused physically, emotionally, sexually...One way or another, the legions of hell want to destroy children because children become the future adults and leaders. If they (legions) can warp or wound a child, he or she becomes a warped or wounded adult who passes on this affliction to the next generation". -Terry Randall in TIME Magazine, October 21, 1991 |
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Jul 11 2007, 09:53 PM
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...off topic
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Jul 11 2007, 09:54 PM
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I wish I could be surprised. At the website. At Dr. Walt. But I'm not. 3ABN has become a stream of blasphemy (the former) and doublespeak (the latter). All this is just going further downhill. Is it too late to save 3ABN?
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Jul 11 2007, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE ----- Original Message ----- From: Walt Thompson To: ******* Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: Re: Lawsuit Dear *****, "...The document states that "Although many of 3ABN's employees and volunteers, including Plaintiff, Danny Shelton, are members of the Seventh-day Adventist faith, 3ABN is a non-denominational Christian ministry which is not owned by, affiliated with, or financed by any specific church denomination or organization..." ...This is a legally correct statement I believe .... If this is the legally correct statement, it seems to me that any other statement that goes contrary to this statement would not be a legally correct statement. |
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