Countdown....will Pickle And Joy Do The Right Thing..., now that we know they did not have permission.... Options

[PeacefulBe]

Speaking of "major internet projects", which of you will take responsibility for http://savegailon.blogspot.com and the overt racist stereotypes and caricatures contained therein?

If that is how your camp truly feels about black SDAs... why, exactly, are you (collectively) here? People of whom there is such collective contempt surely are beneath your caring what they believe or how they feel about said belief.

Let's start the transparency with the person or persons responsible for that site manning up and admitting it... since you are so concerned about offensive websites...

In His service,
Mr. J

Mr. J,

The website you refer to, http://savegailon.blogspot.com, reflects most heniously on whoever is behind it. Can we really place it on "their camp"? Are we certain anyone on either "side" is responsible? We have been over this before and I really don't believe we have sufficiently made a case for blame. It would be wonderful to know who authored such a horrid thing and I hope, eventually, it will be made clear. Is it productive to assume blame?

Of course, if you know something further, like technical information that would point to responsibility, I would love to hear it! Additionally, if whoever is responsible for it is in membership here, I certainly pray that they take serious stock of the deep flaws in their character. There is always hope but an awful lot of repair will be necessary.

PB

[awesumtenor]

Mr. J,

The website you refer to, http://savegailon.blogspot.com, reflects most heniously on whoever is behind it. Can we really place it on "their camp"? Are we certain anyone on either "side" is responsible? We have been over this before and I really don't believe we have sufficiently made a case for blame. It would be wonderful to know who authored such a horrid thing and I hope, eventually, it will be made clear. Is it productive to assume blame?

Of course, if you know something further, like technical information that would point to responsibility, I would love to hear it! Additionally, if whoever is responsible for it is in membership here, I certainly pray that they take serious stock of the deep flaws in their character. There is always hope but an awful lot of repair will be necessary.

PB

If none in that camp were responsible and none in agreement with the stereotypes and caricatures presented there, there should be at least as much indignation, if not more for that site... even if the positions expressed there jibe with their own.

Given the content of the site and the history of that camp in this forum, yes... IMO, it is not a reach in the least to believe someone from that camp is responsible for it's existence... and given that, the lack of condemnation for the site from said camp, is telling... to say the least. Pickle and Joy have never hid their involvement or participation in save3abn.com; Danny's camp, OTOH, has done all they can to damage and discredit, often inthe most offensive manner possible, all the while doing so from a grassy knoll of internet anonymity which they continue to zealously defend.

Given the number of new members, not all of whom may have been lurking long enough to have ascertained this, IMO, this point needed to be made manifest anew... they retain the right... and the opportunity to show themselves uninvolved... but you and I both know that's just not going to happen.

However... I have been wrong on occasion in the past...

In His service,
Mr. J

[Brick Step]

Perhaps the day in question, that great gettin' up mornin'... but any wider application of this statement runs headlong into our teaching on the Sabbath... where the day begins at the setting of the sun...

In His service,
Mr. J

"Sunset is where the day begins."

Thank you for drawing attention to this fact. Your concern is the concern which prompted me to do some reflecting upon the featured statement, "Midnight is where the day begins." Properly applied, this statement speaks a profound truth. Misapplied it becomes an unbiblical teaching. I feel we need to acknowledge both applications. Please don't miss the sentence near the beginning of my first post on this point:

"The Bible day begins and ends at sunset, letting the sun determine the time zone--and the time boundaries for the seventh-day--for each person and place on the globe."

[Brick Step]

"Sunset is where the day begins."

Thank you for drawing attention to this fact. Your concern is the concern which prompted me to do some reflecting upon the featured statement, "Midnight is where the day begins." Properly applied, this statement speaks a profound truth. Misapplied it becomes an unbiblical teaching. I feel that both statements, "sunset begins the day", and "midnight begins the day" need to be acknowledged as telling a truth, when correctly applied. Please don't miss the sentence near the beginning of my first post on this point:

"The Bible day begins and ends at sunset, letting the sun determine the time zone--and the time boundaries for the seventh-day--for each person and place on the globe."

[roxe]

Roxe;

I am here. Biting my tongue! Pretty soon I will have greater than 10 holes in my tongue! I gotta get me some of those awful tongue rings (Tiny Bar Bells)!

Awe; come on now! What else do you do with "holy" bitten tongues? Whats girl supposed to do?

hi Fran!
so GLAD you are OK!
it appears your computer is OK too!!

great relief!
now i can relax till the next time you go quiet...

[Ozzie]

Mr. J,

The website you refer to, http://savegailon.blogspot.com, reflects most heniously on whoever is behind it. Can we really place it on "their camp"? Are we certain anyone on either "side" is responsible? We have been over this before and I really don't believe we have sufficiently made a case for blame. It would be wonderful to know who authored such a horrid thing and I hope, eventually, it will be made clear. Is it productive to assume blame?

Of course, if you know something further, like technical information that would point to responsibility, I would love to hear it! Additionally, if whoever is responsible for it is in membership here, I certainly pray that they take serious stock of the deep flaws in their character. There is always hope but an awful lot of repair will be necessary.

PB

I looked at that site once and was so totally repulsed and disgusted, that I would not give it even one more look. Why let such bigots think they are getting so many 'hits'? I feel ill when I think of people 'out there' who have such a mindset. I long for the day when Jesus will come, and put an end to such bigotry and hatred.

[runner4him]

I looked at that site once and was so totally repulsed and disgusted, that I would not give it even one more look. Why let such bigots think they are getting so many 'hits'? I feel ill when I think of people 'out there' who have such a mindset. I long for the day when Jesus will come, and put an end to such bigotry and hatred.

Amen!! I called and wrote to 3abn when I first heard of the site to see if they could somehow make a statement as to whether they support such garbage or not but they did not want to do that per the person I spoke with. They have remained mum which I do not quite understand. That site is over the top and down the other side!! I will not go to that site either.

[Aletheia]

Mr. J,

The website you refer to, http://savegailon.blogspot.com, reflects most heniously on whoever is behind it. Can we really place it on "their camp"? Are we certain anyone on either "side" is responsible? We have been over this before and I really don't believe we have sufficiently made a case for blame. It would be wonderful to know who authored such a horrid thing and I hope, eventually, it will be made clear. Is it productive to assume blame?

Of course, if you know something further, like technical information that would point to responsibility, I would love to hear it! Additionally, if whoever is responsible for it is in membership here, I certainly pray that they take serious stock of the deep flaws in their character. There is always hope but an awful lot of repair will be necessary.

PB

I myself know many of the posters here , but don't know who the person is who has that blog, or anything about him/her, nor to the best of knowledge do any I've discussed it with.

Bob Pickle asked me about it when he called me, and wanted me to answer about it here in the forum, but of course I wasn't able to post here, and he didn't bother to repeat my answer to you all.

So for what it's worth, it's a mystery to those defending 3ABN as well..

Some, myself included, are just as repulsed and disgusted by the Save 3ABN site, and see little difference, as I also told Bob. And that's all I have to say about that.

This post has been edited by Aletheia: Aug 21 2007, 12:02 PM

[PeacefulBe]

I myself know many of the posters here , but don't know who the person is who has that blog, or anything about him/her, nor to the best of knowledge do any I've discussed it with.

Bob Pickle asked me about it when he called me, and wanted me to answer about it here in the forum, but of course I wasn't able to post here, and he didn't bother to repeat my answer to you all.

So for what it's worth, it's a mystery to those defending 3ABN as well..

Some, myself included, are just as repulsed and disgusted by the Save 3ABN site, and see little difference, as I also told Bob. And that's all I have to say about that.

And yet there is a huge difference between the two. Sad that either you don't have the cultural awareness or desire to understand that, Alethiea.

Does anybody else here feel that "Brother Leroy" is not actually a black man but rather someone doing a 21st century Al Jolsen? To then add passages from the Bible and quotes from EGW into this vaudeville routine renders it doubly offensive.

[SoulEspresso]

My recommendation is that before anyone leaps to conclusions about a person's signature quote, they google it. Or maybe PM the person in question. Could have saved a lot of speculation.

Love to all!

This post has been edited by SoulEspresso: Aug 21 2007, 02:46 PM

[PeacefulBe]

My recommendation is that before anyone leaps to conclusions about a person's signature quote, they google it. Or maybe PM the person in question. Could have saved a lot of speculation.

Love to all!

Following your sage advice I Googled I found, among many other things, these related items:

Lemon
by U2

Midnight is where the day begins
Midnight is where the day begins
Midnight is where the day begins
Midnight is where the day begins


A man makes a picture
A moving picture
Through the light projected


He can see himself up close
A man captures colour
A man likes to stare
He turns his money into light
To look for her
She is the dreamer
She's imagination
Through the light projected
He can see himself up close

http://www.childabusesurvivor.net/essays/midnite.html
This is a song lyric I heard today ( U2, Lemon). I thought to myself, how true this sentiment is. Midnight has always been the one time we were supposed to fear, the " witching hour" as it were. The external world always seems so dark and forboding at this time. It's always set up as a curfew time, always made to sound so dangerous, and unforgiving.
Yet the truth of the matter is that, the new day starts at midnight. It is the marking of change, although the external signs of that change in day don't come for 6 hours or so, the TRUTH is the day starts right here.

As I consider this , I can't help but think about the road to healing that survivor's travel, and how we have made the change into a new day, even though the signs aren't yet visible. How many of us are already past the midnight of our lives, even though we do not yet see the sun rising. How differently would we see our lives if we stopped to consider that the old day is over, it is time for a new one to begin, and the sun WILL come up on this day, just like every other day.

As I consider my life, I begin to see some early signs of the new day dawning, I have sensed the change in day, but it has not been determined how this new day will be. That is up to me, I can make this new day truly new, or I can re-live the same old days again. The important thing to know is that is MY choice, I will determine whether this day is sunny and bright, or stays as dark as the night before. What choice will you make? Will you recognize the change in days, despite the darkness that still looms, or will you stay in that darkness, waiting in vain for the light to come before you believe it's a new day?

By: Mike McBride Feb.9, 1998

[Brick Step]

Peacefully B
Those thoughts by Mike McBride make a powerful point. Thank you for your post above, and for helping once again to bring understanding.

SoulEspresso
Tap on the wrist received. (I’m not proud to confess my lack of computer skills, but fact is I’m not sure yet how either to “google” or to “PM.” Further confession: I was trying to edit my post # 138, but clicked one or two things I should not have clicked, and lo behold, post #138 stays, post #139 appears, and the Edit button disappears. That’s the only reason for my sort of double post there. But, I shall learn! I shall learn! )

From my point of view: I thought when a quote was placed on the internet there were always at least four things to consider:-

1. what it might mean in God’s scheme of things.
2. what it might mean to the one posting.
3. the impression it might convey to those reading it.
4. the impression a reader fears it might convey to others.

“Midnight is where the day begins.” Peace, and definitely no offence meant, but yes, I have questioned the wisdom of posting such a statement on this site. Whatever the quote may mean to you, whatever the message you might be wishing to convey, however good that message might be, however applicable to one limited set of circumstances, chances are many others who visit this site and maybe are not so closely focused on working through its particular lines of argument, are suffering another kind of abuse, this because of their conscientious desire to keep holy the Bible’s sunset-to-sunset, seventh-day Sabbath, in obedience to the fourth commandment of the Decalogue. In such circumstances, the “Midnight is where the day begins” statement, standing alone with no further explanation, seems to show lack of thought and care for their plight.

For practical purposes, and for most of the week, of course, we are happy to fit in with the day as observed by most of the world, the day that begins and ends at midnight. But in their earnest desire to honour their Creator-God by keeping holy the seventh, sunset-to-sunset day, thousands around the world have lost employment, friends, their freedom and even their lives. Bible prophecy indicates that shortly before Jesus comes, this scenario will worsen. SE, I was just not comfortable with the “Midnight is where the day begins” quote at this time sitting there alone with no further explanation.

[SoulEspresso]

I happen to be a fan of U2, and so their stuff is banging around in the back of my head much of the time. Bono's mother died when he was 14, and he wrote the song in question after a family friend found some old home movie footage of her many years later.

But the song, particularly that line, became meaningful to me in one of my own personal "midnights" ... nothing like what McBride describes, of course.

My prayer is that in what seems like the most difficult times in this crisis, actually means that the worst is passing and a "new day" is coming.

[PeacefulBe]

I happen to be a fan of U2, and so their stuff is banging around in the back of my head much of the time. Bono's mother died when he was 14, and he wrote the song in question after a family friend found some old home movie footage of her many years later.

But the song, particularly that line, became meaningful to me in one of my own personal "midnights" ... nothing like what McBride describes, of course.

My prayer is that in what seems like the most difficult times in this crisis, actually means that the worst is passing and a "new day" is coming.

There is hope that the "new day" is coming. When I read the lyrics of the U2 song this morning, it reminded me of another song I read this weekend.

This lament by David struck me, for, as our pastor pointed out this Sabbath, it is in caves that God does His best work.

Psalm 142

A maskil of David. When he was in the cave. A prayer.

1 I cry aloud to the LORD;
I lift up my voice to the LORD for mercy.
2 I pour out my complaint before him;
before him I tell my trouble.

3 When my spirit grows faint within me,
it is you who know my way.
In the path where I walk
men have hidden a snare for me.

4 Look to my right and see;
no one is concerned for me.
I have no refuge;
no one cares for my life.

5 I cry to you, O LORD;
I say, "You are my refuge,
my portion in the land of the living."

6 Listen to my cry,
for I am in desperate need;
rescue me from those who pursue me,
for they are too strong for me.

7 Set me free from my prison,
that I may praise your name.
Then the righteous will gather about me
because of your goodness to me.

[LaurenceD]

"Sunset is where the day begins."

...

"The Bible day begins and ends at sunset, letting the sun determine the time zone--and the time boundaries for the seventh-day--for each person and place on the globe."

Just a little reminder...gaurd closely both edges of the Sabbath. I didn't when I was younger. Too often we carried Saturday evening worship on into Sunday (after sundown on Sabbath), and now I realize that worshipping on into Sunday, albeit only a few minutes, I was honoring the mark of the beast.

Be ready to work, play, or otherwise immediately after sundown on Saturday, right to the very second if possible, to clearly show your secular intentions for the new week!

(a little tongue in cheek, but not a whole lot!)