Danny Shelton/3abn Board Are Innocent?, Well, then, there must be some proof, so bring it on! Options

[justice4jesus]

Despite the numerous pieces of evidence regarding almost countless shortcomings at 3ABN, there is still a handful of people on this site who staunchly defend Danny Shelton and the board. To that end, there must be some kind of justification for this defense. Here and now, I call on the DS/3ABN defenders to prove....I said PROVE....P-R-O-V-E....PROVE that Danny and the board are actually worth defending. Responses such as "because I know them", "because I work there", "because Danny is the anointed one" and the like are not proof, and will not make the sale. If all of you on the side of Danny and his board can offer concrete evidence that they are totally and completely innocent, I promise you that I will drop it....but it MUST be concrete evidence.

This should be fun!

[Richard Sherwin]

You are in someways asking people to prove the unprovable. If I accuse you of driving a hundred miles an hour down the freeway on March 10, 2003 can you prove you did not? Likely not, however that lack of proof does not mean you are guilty.

I'm not defending Danny or the board here, it's just that asking them to prove something they cannot is not proof of guilt, and too often that is what I'm seeing on these boards.



Richard

Despite the numerous pieces of evidence regarding almost countless shortcomings at 3ABN, there is still a handful of people on this site who staunchly defend Danny Shelton and the board. To that end, there must be some kind of justification for this defense. Here and now, I call on the DS/3ABN defenders to prove....I said PROVE....P-R-O-V-E....PROVE that Danny and the board are actually worth defending. Responses such as "because I know them", "because I work there", "because Danny is the anointed one" and the like are not proof, and will not make the sale. If all of you on the side of Danny and his board can offer concrete evidence that they are totally and completely innocent, I promise you that I will drop it....but it MUST be concrete evidence.

This should be fun!

[justice4jesus]

Thank you, Richard, for your input.

You state that lack of proof of innocence is not proof of guilt, and that is correct, but there is evidence all over the place that the things of which Danny and 3ABN have been accused have actually happened. I just wanted to offer the Danny camp the opportunity to prove that it is indeed NOT Danny and the board who are guilty of any of this.

Honestly, I do not believe that they can clear Danny or the board members, but in the spirit of fairness, they do deserve the chance.

Thanks again, Richard. You brought to my attention a point that I needed to clarify.

[mystery- man]

You are in someways asking people to prove the unprovable. If I accuse you of driving a hundred miles an hour down the freeway on March 10, 2003 can you prove you did not? Likely not, however that lack of proof does not mean you are guilty.

I'm not defending Danny or the board here, it's just that asking them to prove something they cannot is not proof of guilt, and too often that is what I'm seeing on these boards.



Richard

I do not agree---The fact of Linda Shelton's adultry should be proovable. The aligation of Linda's daughter against Danny can and should be investigated. These aligations are very serious and the Tommy thing at the very least should be refuted. None of these things have been done and that says a lot. I have not heard these individuals even deny what they have been accused of. And even the ones that come on here seem oblivious to that fact. Linda asked for proof and none has been forthcomming, why. The squirrley excuses have to stop.

[beartrap]

Can they show some proof that 3ABN has no affiliation with any denomination? It is my opinion that 3ABN and Danny lied and have purjored themselves in making that statement. Can they prove my opinion to be wrong?

[Observer]

You are in someways asking people to prove the unprovable. If I accuse you of driving a hundred miles an hour down the freeway on March 10, 2003 can you prove you did not? Likely not, however that lack of proof does not mean you are guilty.

I'm not defending Danny or the board here, it's just that asking them to prove something they cannot is not proof of guilt, and too often that is what I'm seeing on these boards.



Richard

Actually, I might be able to "prove" that I was not driving down the highway 100 MPH on 3/10/2003. The proof could consist of the following:

1) I was admintted to the hospital, as an inpatient, on March 9, had repacement knee surgery on March 10, and released from thehospital on March 15, 2003.

2) I only own one automobile, and it is one which has been computer set by the maker not to run at over 85 mph. NOTE: I have owned cars such as a Mercury Sable which were set by the maker not to exceed a stated speed.

3) On 3/10/2003 I was traveling in France, where I had been for two days, and I did not return for three more days.

4) On 3/10/2003, as reported by the media, I was meeting with the President, in regard to the latest scandal, and I was offering him spiritual advice--I am a clargyperson, remember.

Folks, I am more serious than you might think. It is often stated that one cannot prove a negative. That may be true sometimes. But, the reality is that one can often prove a negative. One proves a negative by demonstrating that something is true that is inconsistent with the negative.

e.g. Proof that I drank a glass of pure water is proof that I did not drink that same glass filled with alcohol.


Just basic logic.

This post has been edited by Observer: Sep 2 2007, 10:21 AM

[lowender]

The recent presidential change at 3ABN is purely cosmetic.... Danny Shelton is just continuing on his public relations drive. Trying to resurrect his public image. What he wants is his prestige back, and for that, he needs the donations to pour in again... That's just not going to happen...

But what he also wants is a reckoning. He wants to not feel guilty about dumping Linda. He knows he had no grounds & he knows he lied about her having an affair. For that, he wants the church leaders to endorse his divorce & re-marriage, which he thinks will quell his guilty conscience and quiet his critics.

But we haven't bought it all along... WE are the common folks. WE are the SDA church & we will continue our drive to marginilize Danny Shelton & not let him be a representative for US...

[WillowRun]

The recent presidential change at 3ABN is purely cosmetic.... Danny Shelton is just continuing on his public relations drive. Trying to resurrect his public image. What he wants is his prestige back, and for that, he needs the donations to pour in again... That's just not going to happen...

But what he also wants is a reckoning. He wants to not feel guilty about dumping Linda. He knows he had no grounds & he knows he lied about her having an affair. For that, he wants the church leaders to endorse his divorce & re-marriage, which he thinks will quell his guilty conscience and quiet his critics.

But we haven't bought it all along... WE are the common folks. WE are the SDA church & we will continue our drive to marginilize Danny Shelton & not let him be a representative for US...

Thank you Lowender. You said that better than I ever could.

Respectfully,

Willow

[princessdi]

Now, see that's what I'm talkin' about MM!!!

I do not agree---The fact of Linda Shelton's adultry should be proovable. The aligation of Linda's daughter against Danny can and should be investigated. These aligations are very serious and the Tommy thing at the very least should be refuted. None of these things have been done and that says a lot. I have not heard these individuals even deny what they have been accused of. And even the ones that come on here seem oblivious to that fact. Linda asked for proof and none has been forthcomming, why. The squirrley excuses have to stop.

[Rosyroi]

Still waiting.....



still waiting...three years and counting...

Rosyroi

[justice4jesus]

Well, it's been almost a full week, and still nothing to clear Danny and the 3ABN board. In fact, nothing from anyone in the Danny camp at all.

Perhaps I was indeed being unrealistic and/or unreasonable in making my request. After all, you can't get blood from a stone.

In any case, the floor is still open....just in case, y'know....

[LaurenceD]

Here and now, I call on the DS/3ABN defenders to prove....I said PROVE....P-R-O-V-E....PROVE that Danny and the board are actually worth defending.

I don't know about private and religious/non-denominational compounds, but in politics and gov't, when an officer steps down, or resigns as allegations are plaguing the system, no further questions need to be asked, or answered. It's accepted as an admission.

[summertime]

Still waiting.....



still waiting...three years and counting...

Rosyroi

Can anyone tell me if it is true that Danny has said that for 14 years his now present wife ran after him and he finally gave in? (Or words to that effect?) I would just like to know where the quote came from---just to refresh my memory---If you know anything about this statement, please let me know. Thanks a lot. summertime

[Artiste]

Can anyone tell me if it is true that Danny has said that for 14 years his now present wife ran after him and he finally gave in? (Or words to that effect?) I would just like to know where the quote came from---just to refresh my memory---If you know anything about this statement, please let me know. Thanks a lot. summertime

It was said by someone who I think is on this board that Danny told that to a pastor at campmeeting--or GC session or--? (three years ago?). And some quote it as 17 years. You might ask Pickle.


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This post has been edited by Artiste: Sep 8 2007, 10:06 PM

[Artiste]

I don't know about private and religious/non-denominational compounds, but in politics and gov't, when an officer steps down, or resigns as allegations are plaguing the system, no further questions need to be asked, or answered. It's accepted as an admission.

It does sound like an admission that Danny is no longer president... However, he is not yet gone in disgrace--just today he was featured as soloist for special music in Doug Batchelor's "Here We Stand" meeting from Lansing , MI.

Danny was billed as "3ABN Founder" and even made a plea for funds before he sang. It was explained both today and yesterday that the funds from offerings would be split equally between Amazing Facts and 3ABN.


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