Sacrificing Yourself For "the Ministry", another 3ABN spinoff Options

[Lee]

When sister said...

Take a long look at yourself in the mirror, Bystander... What is written upon your forehead?

...here's what first came to mind: what's worse, calling someone you don't know an adulterer (and being wrong), or calling someone you do know an adulterer (and being wrong)?

Obviously, for someone to call their wife an adulterer, based on wishful thinking, is worse than a stranger calling a man an adulterer based on deductive logic.

Adultry is not spiritual adultry. If you think Jesus was hard on the Pharisees for dragging up a woman caught in the act, imagine what he would have said if they drug her up caught in the act of fantasizing? Only God can judge that.

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(back to work now as I don't have much time for this anymore)

Hello LaurenceD--what kind of work do you do? Perhaps you are a computer engineer?

The correct spelling for adultery has an "e" in it...it isn't adultry. You're right though, only God can judge certain sins. That is why we are told not to "judge" others hearts. However, we can tell an awful lot by the "fruits." If a person who is married is going off on a romantic trip with someone other than their spouse, that should tell an awful lot, don't you think?

[ex3ABNemployee]

Hello LaurenceD--what kind of work do you do? Perhaps you are a computer engineer?

The correct spelling for adultery has an "e" in it...it isn't adultry. You're right though, only God can judge certain sins. That is why we are told not to "judge" others hearts. However, we can tell an awful lot by the "fruits." If a person who is married is going off on a romantic trip with someone other than their spouse, that should tell an awful lot, don't you think?

If you want to nitpick spelling, tell Bystander that "babtism" should actually be "baptism" and there's no such thing as being sued for "liable."

This post has been edited by ex3ABNemployee: Mar 20 2007, 10:43 AM

[from-the-pew]

However, we can tell an awful lot by the "fruits." If a person who is married is going off on a romantic trip with someone other than their spouse, that should tell an awful lot, don't you think?

Please help me out here, since I don't have anyone to call and ask. What would be some dates of such trips taken by Linda? I have read that there are supposed to be "many", so 4 or 5 examples would suffice.

(dates is all that is necessary at this point, I'm sure that with that info, I can research the two viewpoints on those occurrances, since most aspects of this has already been discussed ad nauseam on this forum.)

Thanks.

This post has been edited by from-the-pew: Mar 20 2007, 11:27 AM

[LaurenceD]

Hello LaurenceD--what kind of work do you do? Perhaps you are a computer engineer?

The correct spelling for adultery has an "e" in it...it isn't adultry. You're right though, only God can judge certain sins. That is why we are told not to "judge" others hearts. However, we can tell an awful lot by the "fruits." If a person who is married is going off on a romantic trip with someone other than their spouse, that should tell an awful lot, don't you think?

Hello. I work at several different jobs, busier that your average person, but am able to wander past this computer from time to time, and look in...it varies.

Thanks for the correction on the spelling. I don't use the spell check feature and sometimes the keys on my computer have such a soft touch, they don't depress far enough to register the letter I attempted. But, and in good mutual humor, and as my grandfather use to say, "same distance to ya!" I thought I'd look back through your own posts for spelling, and lo and behold halfway throught the first page, what do I see? You spelled intelligent with one l! That's almost an oxymoron!

Any "reasonable" inteligent person reading my post could see that.

Just a little advice: don't become so wise at detecting what's wrong with everyone else, to the tiniest degree. That kind of mindset is the soil in which off-shoots grow, and it's sure to boomerang on ya!

Re your comment, "If a person who is married is going off on a romantic trip with someone other than their spouse, that should tell an awful lot, don't you think?" Yes it should, but how different is that from impugnment by presupposition?. Your statement is loaded with judgementalism and unwarranted implication. How do you know it's intended to be romantic? How do you know you know? What's your definition of "romantic?" How far can you apply your definition to the case? What if the intentions actually headed south from the start, and were never fulfilled?

See why it's best to leave fantasizing, and so-called fantasizing, to God, and not some human fact-finding committee that is obviously way off base even trying to reach a conclusion through such an endeavor? What would Jesus do? Warn against lust of the heart, and wait till someone is actually caught in adultery before the stoning begins. And then, let those who are w/o sin cast the first stone.

See how different Christ is?

[Aletheia]

Tommy Shelton admitted to what he did in a letter to one of the victims. He had sex with a child; therefore he is a molester. What's the lie in that?

Why not ask Duane, before you run your mouth, as the only letter from T.S. was to him? Hint: you just claimed two things he denied, and that he got upset about.

But I am sure you'll never believe me, so here you go:

Duane Clem:
"I have never used the words "child molestation" in reference to myself. You're beating a dead horse."
http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=175102

"There was a lot of inappropriate touching, but nothing further. He wanted much more out of it, but I couldn't let it happen because in my heart I knew it wasn't right."
http://www.save3abn.com/tommy-shelton-vict...m-statement.htm



This post has been edited by Aletheia: Mar 20 2007, 11:50 AM

[Pickle]

If a person who is married is going off on a romantic trip with someone other than their spouse, that should tell an awful lot, don't you think?

Who went on a romantic trip with someone other than their spouse, and can you prove it?

Why not ask Duane, before you run your mouth, as the letter was to him? Hint: you just claimed two things he denied, and that he got upset about.

No, Aletheia, Duane is the wrong one to ask. One should instead ask Roger and Greg regarding child molestation, since they claim to have been victims of that.

[Lee]

If you want to nitpick spelling, tell Bystander that "babtism" should actually be "baptism" and there's no such thing as being sued for "liable."

Well Duane, just like there is a difference between a typing error and a misspelled word--I believe Bystander was just typing fast and got those words wrong. But LaurenceD spelled adultery several times the incorrect way. It is too bad we don't have spell check on here to make it easier. But I wasn't trying to nitpick at all.

from-the-pew--for an answer to your question, I'm sure if you phoned 3abn, someone there perhaps could tell you the facts.

[Clay]

Why not ask Duane, before you run your mouth, as the only letter from T.S. was to him? Hint: you just claimed two things he denied, and that he got upset about.

But I am sure you'll never believe me, so here you go:

Duane Clem:
"I have never used the words "child molestation" in reference to myself. You're beating a dead horse."
http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=175102

"There was a lot of inappropriate touching, but nothing further. He wanted much more out of it, but I couldn't let it happen because in my heart I knew it wasn't right."
http://www.save3abn.com/tommy-shelton-vict...m-statement.htm

excuse me? not today Cindy... if you cannot answer politely, do not post..

Well Duane, just like there is a difference between a typing error and a misspelled word--I believe Bystander was just typing fast and got those words wrong. But LaurenceD spelled adultery several times the incorrect way. It is too bad we don't have spell check on here to make it easier. But I wasn't trying to nitpick at all.

from-the-pew--for an answer to your question, I'm sure if you phoned 3abn, someone there perhaps could tell you the facts.

Lee not today for you either... your two recent posts in this thread could be interpreted as personal attacks.... I am sure that is not your intent....

[Aletheia]

No, Aletheia, Duane is the wrong one to ask. One should instead ask Roger and Greg regarding child molestation, since they claim to have been victims of that.

You should pay attention. PrincessDrRe was claiming Tommy Shelton admitted to having sex with a child in a letter. That is false.

As for your other two, got anything concrete in writing or with their signature on it yet??
Get to work!

This post has been edited by Aletheia: Mar 20 2007, 11:56 AM

[Bystander]

Another lie. You don't know me and have made accusations against me. First I am Linda, because how else could I know so much about the Sheltons and be so accurate. Then when you could not prove that, all the other accusations began of how I am a liar, etc. Take a long look at yourself in the mirror, Bystander... What is written upon your forehead?

Sister

Sister, you would be shocked at what I know. Please, let me encourage you, just keep right on posting in the pattern you are accustomed......

QUOTE(sister @ Mar 20 2007, 05:54 AM)

Another lie. You don't know me and have made accusations against me. First I am Linda, because how else could I know so much about the Sheltons and be so accurate. Then when you could not prove that, all the other accusations began of how I am a liar, etc. Take a long look at yourself in the mirror, Bystander... What is written upon your forehead?

Sister

pot - kettle - black

You just wrote: "another lie"

"Bystander: even Danny Shelton, whose behavior is akin to a hick, red-necked, Southern con artist who steals the nickles and dimes from old ladies on fixed incomes, while using God as his frontman; even he should not be ignorant enough to write the above. Or on second thought, perhaps he did make this very mistake?... You were definitely the last person I expected to verify my statement, although I am sure that was not your intention...
Is the great "anointed one" here among us?
"It is getting so deep around Bystander that even waders are not high enough to keep out of the muck. It must be all those years Dan spent on the "Honey Truck", I can still smell the aroma in these posts."
Sister

You gotta admit Aletheia, no one can defame a person quite like sister.

[Clay]

ok... we have gotten offtrack...... starting over from this point on... personal attacks will not be allowed... if you engage in that behavior you will get no warning your posting privileges will be suspended...

this thread is closed... we need to pause....


No name calling It is rude and uncalled for and also unscriptural. Name calling of another member will get your post removed.

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[Clay]

topic reopened..... mind the rules.... address the topic.....thank you....

[mozart]

Hello. I work at several different jobs, busier that your average person, but am able to wander past this computer from time to time, and look in...it varies.

Thanks for the correction on the spelling. I don't use the spell check feature and sometimes the keys on my computer have such a soft touch, they don't depress far enough to register the letter I attempted. But, and in good mutual humor, and as my grandfather use to say, "same distance to ya!" I thought I'd look back through your own posts for spelling, and lo and behold halfway throught the first page, what do I see? You spelled intelligent with one l! That's almost an oxymoron!

Just a little advice: don't become so wise at detecting what's wrong with everyone else, to the tiniest degree. That kind of mindset is the soil in which off-shoots grow, and it's sure to boomerang on ya!

Re your comment, "If a person who is married is going off on a romantic trip with someone other than their spouse, that should tell an awful lot, don't you think?" Yes it should, but how different is that from impugnment by presupposition?. Your statement is loaded with judgementalism and unwarranted implication. How do you know it's intended to be romantic? How do you know you know? What's your definition of "romantic?" How far can you apply your definition to the case? What if the intentions actually headed south from the start, and were never fulfilled?

See why it's best to leave fantasizing, and so-called fantasizing, to God, and not some human fact-finding committee that is obviously way off base even trying to reach a conclusion through such an endeavor? What would Jesus do? Warn against lust of the heart, and wait till someone is actually caught in adultery before the stoning begins. And then, let those who are w/o sin cast the first stone.

See how different Christ is?

AMEN -AMEN -AMEN AND AMEN!!!!

[Johann]

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from-the-pew--for an answer to your question, I'm sure if you phoned 3abn, someone there perhaps could tell you the facts.

It would be interesting to get the "facts."

Before Danny divorced Linda she made one trip to Norway to visit her son, and Brenda was along. It lasted three and a half days. I met them all there at the time, and I never saw any romance.

What other facts can be told that are not pure fiction?

This post has been edited by Johann: Apr 10 2007, 05:23 AM

[inga]

With all the mud slung at Linda, Johann's note is a good factual reminder.

Before Danny divorced Linda she made one trip to Norway to visit her son, and Brenda was along. It lasted three and a half days. I met them all there at the time, and I never saw any romance.

What other facts can be told that are not pure fiction?