An Unauthorized History of 3ABN, Chapter 9 (doing things for God) |
An Unauthorized History of 3ABN, Chapter 9 (doing things for God) |
Jun 9 2006, 06:59 PM
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Doing things for GOD...
Laundry day...between loads of washing, drying and ironing, I turn on 3ABN. There is Danny smiling at me. I should know better, but sitting down I start to listen. This is a one sided conversation, Danny talks and I listen. Sitting comfortably in his red chair, smiling at me, he begins to relate all the things he is “doing for God”. Sitting back, a puzzled expression creases my forehead as I begin to analyze what he is actually saying. Today Danny is quite animated, cheerfully relating all he has done for God through his ministry. I continue listening... With enthusiasm he relates all he has accomplished. As those seated with him nod and give their approval, Danny appears quite pleased with himself. He reminds us that he has done everything that God has required of him, great and marvelous works have been wrought by his hands for God. At the end of the program the credits roll and Danny disappears from my living room, but his words linger on wafting through my mind. Like a pair of hands swiftly moving over the surface of an abacus, expertly sliding the counters along the wooden rods, I make an accounting of what I have heard. Each new computation results in the same solution: Not once did Danny mention what GOD has done for him, only what he has done for GOD. Danny has not suggested that it is God working in or through him. Again I ponder Danny’s words and the following Scripture is brought to my remembrance: “So also the tongue is a small part of the body, and yet it boasts of great things...” James 3:5 I know this appears to be a minute point upon first reflection, but upon further investigation it exposes the inner workings of a man’s conscience and how he can justify both “fresh and bitter water coming from the same fountain”. Often wondering how Danny can rationalize the dichotomy between his private and public personas: the mutually exclusive or contradictory divisions between the demeanor he exhibits when publically representing 3ABN, while appearing to have few qualms of conscience to hinder unspeakable behavior elsewhere; I suggest that it pertains directly to “his doing things” for God. Although this statement appears disquieting and disturbing, an impossible conclusion reached through a tremendous leap of extrapolation; but suspend judgement and disbelief for a moment and consider the reasoning behind this statement. Proclaiming his belief in God’s special calling of him for such a great task to preform, Danny also contends that with this calling certain privileges are bestowed upon the recipient, granting him the equivalent of a perpetual “get out of jail free” card in respect to the laws of God. This “privilege” bypasses the usual course of events pertaining to acts of sin against God: there is no requirement for acknowledgment of wrongful behavior, no reason for being humbled, or of repentance and contrition. So in this outlandish twist of reasoning the relationship between God and man becomes similar to a Mexican stand off: a possible power struggle is kept at bay with each side being equally matched in regard to their perceived position, resulting in a mutual stand down with each of the parties returning to their own areas of authority. Practically speaking, as long as Danny fulfils his commitments to God through building and sustaining the ministry of 3ABN, he is not bound by the Laws of God. And included in this “deal” is the understanding that in the position of god within his realm of 3ABN, Danny is free to do as he pleases. This is definitely strange fire in the sanctuary for a self-professed Seventh-day Adventist Christian. When a man becomes the voice of God for himself, there are no binding restrictions in any area of his life and spiritual anarchy, like a hissing cobra raising it’s hooded head, is prepared to strike out in every direction. The following quotation from Galations 2:20 gives a balanced description of what a mature life in Christ is intended to be: “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” Like a clear glass vessel, that brings water to parched and thirsting souls, it is not the glass that supplies refreshment, but that which is contained within it. It is God who enacts the “doing” and we in cooperation with Him that become the vessels through whom He works for His good pleasure. In Matthew 7:20-23 it is stated: “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” When we contemplate the relationship of those described in the preceding Scripture and the fate of those whom God will turn away from Him, it can be difficult to understand how that could possibly happen. How can a man or woman spend the majority of a lifetime publically “doing things for God” and in the final accounting be left deficit, falling short of the kingdom of Heaven? If the genuine character of an individual continues on a downward spiral as he secretly indulges in behavior that runs contrary the nature of God, how could he be happy in Heaven? It is both in justice and mercy that God turns away those who have hidden a life of iniquity behind the guise of a Saint and in unimaginable sorrowfulness of heart He professes, “I never knew you...” Stay tuned... This post has been edited by sister: Jun 9 2006, 07:01 PM |
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Jun 9 2006, 07:19 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 94 Joined: 8-May 06 From: jacksonville, florida Member No.: 1,724 Gender: f |
Sister, what ever happened to part 4 of "The Tree in the Midst of the Garden" mentioned in post #164 about the two women who have convinced Danny that he is an oracle of God?
This post has been edited by gracetoyou: Jun 9 2006, 07:40 PM -------------------- GRACETOYOU
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Jun 9 2006, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(beartrap @ Jun 9 2006, 07:42 PM) [snapback]134164[/snapback] Well, as was previously mentioned, if anything drastic happens, 3ABN goes to the Illinois conference... at least that is how it was laid out in the charter. So, Danny is covering all his options... if the front door at 3ABN is closed, then Mollie is in position to open the back door and welcome him home. And of course who else on the Illinois Conference Board has first hand experience running 3ABN. Also a wise move on Mollie's part: both she and Hal have their backsides fully covered. And since Danny trusts Mollie completely, I am sure he has never considered the old saying, "there is no honor among theives". Maybe that back door just might be locked... Actually, it would have been a perfect setup...unfortunately, they seem to forget that it is no longer magic once you know how the magician pulls the rabbit from his hat. QUOTE(gracetoyou @ Jun 9 2006, 08:19 PM) [snapback]134169[/snapback] Sister, what ever happened to part 4 of "The Tree in the Midst of the Garden" mentioned in post #164 about the two women who have convinced Danny that he is an oracle of God? Sorry about that, I thought I had picked up all the loose ends. Stay tuned and keep checking, I will finish writing it. Thanks for the reminder, gracetoyou! This post has been edited by sister: Jun 9 2006, 08:08 PM |
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Jun 9 2006, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(beartrap @ Jun 9 2006, 07:42 PM) [snapback]134164[/snapback] Well, as was previously mentioned, if anything drastic happens, 3ABN goes to the Illinois conference... at least that is how it was laid out in the charter. If anything drastic happens to who or what? Seems to me that something drastic has already happened. |
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Jun 9 2006, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE(summertime @ Jun 9 2006, 11:30 PM) [snapback]134181[/snapback] If anything drastic happens to who or what? Seems to me that something drastic has already happened. LOL! I guess you could say that. |
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Jun 9 2006, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE(beartrap @ Jun 9 2006, 09:37 PM) [snapback]134185[/snapback] LOL! I guess you could say that. I would definitely say that. -------------------- Here's the thing - "...if you pull "folks" into a fight you don't know what "weapon" they will bring." PrincessDrRe "A man who digs a pit for others to fall into, will end up falling into it himself. And if a man rolls a stone on someone, the stone will roll back on him". Said Solomon the wise, Proverbs 26:27 "No man can follow Christ and go astray." William H.P. Faunce "If I could hear Christ praying for me in the next room, I would not fear a million enemies. Yet distance makes no difference. He is praying for me." Robert M. McCheyne Click here for Linda Shelton's newly updated website |
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Jun 10 2006, 07:05 AM
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QUOTE(sister @ Jun 9 2006, 08:59 PM) [snapback]134165[/snapback] Doing things for GOD... With enthusiasm he relates all he has accomplished. As those seated with him nod and give their approval, Danny appears quite pleased with himself. He reminds us that he has done everything that God has required of him, great and marvelous works have been wrought by his hands for God "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve." 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 It's ironic that Adventists pity and look down on Catholics who are deceived by Marian apparitions and on Pentecostals who are deceived by "miracles" performed by Benny Hinn and other faith healers, but lap up the "miracle" stories and other "evidence" that Danny is a agent of God. Kay Kuzma's book is entitled, "Mending Broken People - 3ABN Miracle Stories". The Bible warns us in Matthew 24:24, 2 Thessalonians 2:9,10, Revelation 13:13,14, and Revelation 16:14 that Satan's main tool of deception in the last days are miracles. Somehow some Adventists think that they are immune to Satan's deceptions, but from what I have read about Danny and some of his supporters, sadly they are not. QUOTE Practically speaking, as long as Danny fulfils his commitments to God through building and sustaining the ministry of 3ABN, he is not bound by the Laws of God. And included in this “deal” is the understanding that in the position of god within his realm of 3ABN, Danny is free to do as he pleases. This is definitely strange fire in the sanctuary for a self-professed Seventh-day Adventist Christian. When a man becomes the voice of God for himself, there are no binding restrictions in any area of his life and spiritual anarchy, like a hissing cobra raising it’s hooded head, is prepared to strike out in every direction. This is why it is so important that Danny and his posse be exposed and deposed from 3ABN. The idea that covering for Danny is for the good of the ministry is a huge mistake. God does not use unrepentant liars, thieves and adulterers in His work of spreading the gospel. "If anyone turns a deaf ear to the law, even his prayers are detestable." Prov. 28:9 "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear." Isa. 59:2 As long as Danny and his ilk control 3ABN, it can be used as a powerful vehicle of deception by which souls may be lost. "For false Christs and false prophets [some believe Danny is a prophet] will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect -- if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time." Matt. 24:24,25 -------------------- GRACETOYOU
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Jun 10 2006, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE(gracetoyou @ Jun 10 2006, 08:05 AM) [snapback]134208[/snapback] . "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve." 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 It's ironic that Adventists pity and look down on Catholics who are deceived by Marian apparitions and on Pentecostals who are deceived by "miracles" performed by Benny Hinn and other faith healers, but lap up the "miracle" stories and other "evidence" that Danny is a agent of God. Kay Kuzma's book is entitled, "Mending Broken People - 3ABN Miracle Stories". The Bible warns us in Matthew 24:24, 2 Thessalonians 2:9,10, Revelation 13:13,14, and Revelation 16:14 that Satan's main tool of deception in the last days are miracles. Somehow some Adventists think that they are immune to Satan's deceptions, but from what I have read about Danny and some of his supporters, sadly they are not. This is why it is so important that Danny and his posse be exposed and deposed from 3ABN. The idea that covering for Danny is for the good of the ministry is a huge mistake. God does not use unrepentant liars, thieves and adulterers in His work of spreading the gospel. "If anyone turns a deaf ear to the law, even his prayers are detestable." Prov. 28:9 "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear." Isa. 59:2 As long as Danny and his ilk control 3ABN, it can be used as a powerful vehicle of deception by which souls may be lost. "For false Christs and false prophets [some believe Danny is a prophet] will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect -- if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time." Matt. 24:24,25 Danny is such a figure because we made him one, even here at BSDA I mean look how many hits the topics concerning him have. -------------------- "Don't cry me a river, but a seven mile beach."
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Jun 10 2006, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(sister @ Jun 10 2006, 01:49 AM) [snapback]134159[/snapback] Johann, you may have not seen the above, so I am still wondering what you think not only about Mollie Steenson on the Illinois Conference Board, but also about her part in the scheme of things at 3ABN? Didn't someone say this is how private enterprice functions? This post has been edited by Johann: Jun 10 2006, 04:46 PM -------------------- "Any fact that needs to be disclosed should be put out now or as quickly as possible, because otherwise the bleeding will not end." (Attributed to Henry Kissinger) "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it" (Martin Luther King) "The truth can lose nothing by close investigation". (1888 Materials 38) |
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Jun 10 2006, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(Peachesevie @ Jun 10 2006, 12:44 PM) [snapback]134211[/snapback] Danny is such a figure because we made him one, even here at BSDA I mean look how many hits the topics concerning him have. ...but hopefully the "figure" that we are making him here will not be a popular one..... but the "truthful" one... -------------------- *"Some folks use their ignorance like a umbrella. It covers everything, they perodically take it out from time to time, but it never is too far away from them."*
PrincessDrRe; March, 2007 ~"Blood = Meat, Face = Meat, Internal "Organs" = Meat - you can try to make it cuter; but it's still meat...."~ PrincessDrRe; September, 2007 *(NOTE: Any advice given by Re' Silvey, MSW is not to be taken as medical/mental health advice. Although trained to be a counselor, currently employed as a therapist, and currently pursuing her PhD in Counseling Psychology (ABD/I) - she is not your assigned therapist. Please consult a mental health professional of your choice for a face-to-face consultation.)* |
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Jun 10 2006, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(Peachesevie @ Jun 10 2006, 11:44 AM) [snapback]134211[/snapback] Danny is such a figure because we made him one, even here at BSDA I mean look how many hits the topics concerning him have. Donors I have spoken to did not intend to create a figure to be venerated for its own sake. Golden Calf Broadcasting Network wasn't in their thinking at the time. But, you come down from the mountain after being away for awhile, and you find a big surprise. It happens. |
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Jun 10 2006, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE(Panama_Pete @ Jun 10 2006, 01:29 PM) [snapback]134226[/snapback] Donors I have spoken to did not intend to create a figure to be venerated for its own sake. Golden Calf Broadcasting Network wasn't in their thinking at the time. But, you come down from the mountain after being away for awhile, and you find a big surprise. It happens. That is what happens when you decide to pay others to do your work for you. |
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Jun 10 2006, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(statrei @ Jun 10 2006, 01:31 PM) [snapback]134227[/snapback] That is what happens when you decide to pay others to do your work for you. Yes, but have I learned my lesson? |
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Jun 11 2006, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE(Panama_Pete @ Jun 10 2006, 07:34 PM) [snapback]134230[/snapback] Yes, but have I learned my lesson? So, what is the lesson? And what is the subject? This post has been edited by Johann: Jun 11 2006, 01:14 PM -------------------- "Any fact that needs to be disclosed should be put out now or as quickly as possible, because otherwise the bleeding will not end." (Attributed to Henry Kissinger) "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it" (Martin Luther King) "The truth can lose nothing by close investigation". (1888 Materials 38) |
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Jun 11 2006, 01:27 PM
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QUOTE(Peachesevie @ Jun 10 2006, 10:44 AM) [snapback]134211[/snapback] Danny is such a figure because we made him one, even here at BSDA I mean look how many hits the topics concerning him have. QUOTE(PrincessDrRe @ Jun 10 2006, 12:17 PM) [snapback]134222[/snapback] ...but hopefully the "figure" that we are making him here will not be a popular one..... but the "truthful" one... Agreed. I think what is happening here on BSDA is a dismantling of the "figure" (image), not the making of it. It takes time. It took time to build it up. It takes time to pull it down. |
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