Tommy Shelton Vindicated!, I hope. |
Tommy Shelton Vindicated!, I hope. |
Jan 11 2007, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE(Fran @ Jan 11 2007, 04:48 AM) [snapback]169033[/snapback] This is sick! More than sick. Defiantly evil. |
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Jan 11 2007, 08:45 AM
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QUOTE(Fran @ Jan 11 2007, 03:48 AM) [snapback]169033[/snapback] This is sick! Just "mending broken people" with flour paste when super glue is within reach. |
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Jan 11 2007, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(Aunt B @ Jan 10 2007, 05:58 AM) [snapback]168776[/snapback] Can I be next in line after Peaceful? I recently earned my bachelors degree in psychology; good for you for working on your Phd. I appreciate all you are saying here regarding counseling, therapy etc. Keep educating people regarding the science of psychology! --- Aunt B In my youth I attended a school in Norway that was in many ways patterned accoording to the instructions given by Ellen White. We used her writings as a number of our textbook. In our English classes we read Steps to Christ, Education, and Evangelism, and many of our termpapers were based on the writings of Ellen White. It was from her writings the leaders of our school gathered how importand a science it is to study how the human mind works. As a consequence we had several classes in psychology. I'd say these courses were of great benefit to me, and there was nothing in the textbooks used that turned the mind away from God as our Creator and Savior. So lets beware of downgrading all psychology. It is a very important subject. -------------------- "Any fact that needs to be disclosed should be put out now or as quickly as possible, because otherwise the bleeding will not end." (Attributed to Henry Kissinger) "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it" (Martin Luther King) "The truth can lose nothing by close investigation". (1888 Materials 38) |
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Jan 11 2007, 01:14 PM
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Ok so they believe themselves some serious singers and musicians? I have never heard them sing or play.
QUOTE(husbandoftheyear @ Jan 10 2007, 09:49 PM) [snapback]169010[/snapback] It might be interesting to note that Tommy will be back at 3ABN in a couple of weeks to tape music with Dan. That took a long time! -------------------- TTFN
Di And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose---Romans 8:28 A great many people believe they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.-- William James It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.- Mark Twain |
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Jan 11 2007, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE(princessdi @ Jan 11 2007, 02:14 PM) [snapback]169113[/snapback] Ok so they believe themselves some serious singers and musicians? I have never heard them sing or play. Trust me, you haven't missed much...well, I take that back...it is good if you have trouble falling asleep... -------------------- Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
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Jan 11 2007, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(Nuggie @ Jan 11 2007, 02:47 PM) [snapback]169117[/snapback] Trust me, you haven't missed much...well, I take that back...it is good if you have trouble falling asleep... Tommy is actually extremely musically talented. -------------------- "The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple."
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Jan 11 2007, 03:35 PM
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Gotcha'!
QUOTE Trust me, you haven't missed much...well, I take that back...it is good if you have trouble falling asleep... Now, he plays the piano, right? I can see this being true............ QUOTE(husbandoftheyear @ Jan 11 2007, 01:28 PM) [snapback]169142[/snapback] Tommy is actually extremely musically talented. -------------------- TTFN
Di And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose---Romans 8:28 A great many people believe they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.-- William James It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.- Mark Twain |
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Jan 11 2007, 04:24 PM
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Because I do not watch 3ABN I had not realized there was a connection between the Black Hills Health and Education Center and 3ABN. No wonder my mother, who I have discussed elsewhere, was so happy Tommy was going there to take care of his "physical" health issues.
Does anyone here know if 3ABN or Black Hills promotes the writings of Pastor Dennis Smith and especially his book Spirit Baptism & Deliverance? As for the consequences of abuse, I have spent most of my adult life in the field of disability law. I have found that a very high percentage of my clients who had disabling pain in excess of physical findings were molested or sexually abused in the past and few, if any, received counseling even when they reported the abuse. Few of the perpetrators were charged as most, and the majority were women, found little if any support from their families and in particular their mothers. I want to believe this is changing with this generation of women. Do our posters who deal with this know if women today are more likely to believe their children? In my city last year, two young children died in a fire set by their mother rather than deal with the accusations that they had been molested by their father. The mother has been found incompetent to stand trial........ noahswife -------------------- “I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.” C.S. Lewis
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Jan 12 2007, 12:05 AM
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QUOTE(Noahswife @ Jan 11 2007, 05:24 PM) [snapback]169152[/snapback] Because I do not watch 3ABN I had not realized there was a connection between the Black Hills Health and Education Center and 3ABN. I never considered a connection between them any greater than the connection between other speakers and 3ABN. I sure hope Dick Nunez is not "connected" with 3ABN, other than their hosting his healt/exercise show. Barbara Kerr was more closely connected with 3ABN because she actually worked on the set there. I believe Dick Nunez's show is actually filmed at his facility, though I may be wrong, since I haven't watched him for a while ... |
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Jan 12 2007, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(inga @ Jan 12 2007, 01:05 AM) [snapback]169226[/snapback] I never considered a connection between them any greater than the connection between other speakers and 3ABN. I sure hope Dick Nunez is not "connected" with 3ABN, other than their hosting his healt/exercise show. Barbara Kerr was more closely connected with 3ABN because she actually worked on the set there. I believe Dick Nunez's show is actually filmed at his facility, though I may be wrong, since I haven't watched him for a while ... Sorry, Inga, Dick Nunez's exercise show was not filmed at Black Hills, but on a set at 3ABN. |
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Jan 12 2007, 01:11 PM
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Because someone's show is on, or taped at, 3abn does that make them part of Danny's problem? Amazing Facts is broadcast on mainline networks that show all kind of filth but does that make them also filthy? I don't have the answers, just a few questions.
Richard QUOTE(sister @ Jan 12 2007, 01:08 PM) [snapback]169359[/snapback] Sorry, Inga, Dick Nunez's exercise show was not filmed at Black Hills, but on a set at 3ABN. |
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Jan 12 2007, 01:27 PM
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Personally, I'm thankful that all those different shows are taped or aired by 3ABN. I enjoy watching them. I rarely watch Danny or some of the others now but I did watch Jon Paulien on 3ABN Live a week or so ago. I can't bring myself to watch Kay Kuzma either. But I like the cooking shows, Dick Nunez's program, the health programs, and quite a few others.
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Jan 12 2007, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE(sister @ Jan 12 2007, 01:08 PM) [snapback]169359[/snapback] Sorry, Inga, Dick Nunez's exercise show was not filmed at Black Hills, but on a set at 3ABN. Thanks, Sister, for the facts on the matter. That makes Dick as dependent on Dan Shelton as Barbara Kerr was. And, as I understand it, she still has not received the tapes of the shows that were taped there. |
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Jan 20 2007, 10:20 PM
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The following information comes from Gailon Arthur Joy. I will make no comments other than to say, that Duane Clem is the brother of Roger Clem, whose testimony is also on BSDA. And I, too, weep for these victims...
Sister Read and weep; This is number seven of what is now ten and counting. Notice many contacts came while Tommy was at 3ABN late 80's and early 90--91. Think we will find others in the contemporary period? Wonder if there are more in Dunn Loring? Gailon Arthur Joy AUReporter -------------------------------------------------------- Gentlemen, Here is the long awaited statement. You have my OK to use it in whatever way you feel necessary, and you may include my name. This has been extremely hard to do, but I think it had to be done. --- statement follows --- It has taken me a long time to get to the point where I felt I could write this. In light of recent events and allegations brought forth by other parties, I feel it has become necessary to compose this statement. Let me begin by saying that I am not writing out of a spirit of vengeance or animosity. I had never planned on sharing what happened with anyone else. I was prepared to take this to my grave. I had forgotten, or at least pushed back, the feelings of shame and resentment I had about this situation, but in recent days a lot of that has been brought back. I do not, however, blame anyone who has been DIRECTLY affected by this for coming forward. Tommy Shelton was my pastor for many years at the Ezra Church of God in West Frankfort, IL. I began attending with my mother, sister and 2 brothers around 1974 or so, and my father became a Christian and began coming with us shortly after I graduated high school in 1984. Tommy and I were never really close until I began attending the Christian school our church operated. Over the next few years, we would spend a lot of time talking, as I was dealing with depression issues and he was counseling with me. When the General Assembly of the Church of God in Illinois decided to suspend Tommy’s ministerial credentials in 1985, I was one of several who wrote a letter in his defense. I was also questioned by a detective at the West Frankfort Police Department. I had been on a few overnight trips with him, and gave testimony that nothing had happened that would substantiate the allegations being made against him. At the time, this was true. It was, unfortunately, about to change. Sometime in late 1985 or early 1986, Tommy came to me and said he had an unusual medical problem and asked for my help. I was shocked. I had previously been told by two other young men that he had said the same thing to them, but I could not believe that they were telling me the truth, even though they told me identical stories at 2 different times. Now, I was hearing these words from my pastor. I felt trapped. I wanted to say something right then, but I didn’t. I had vigorously defended him against allegations in the past, and had even lost friends because of it. I had written a letter saying nothing had happened to me. I had told the police nothing happened. Now, here I was, 19 years old, with NO ONE I felt I could talk to about it. Over the next few months, Tommy and I would meet at his house, the church, the original 3ABN building and even one night on a back country road, anywhere he thought no one would see us. There was a lot of inappropriate touching, but nothing further. He wanted much more out of it, but I couldn’t let it happen because in my heart I knew it wasn’t right. I was wrestling with thoughts like “What if someone finds out? What will happen to the church….his family…my family? Who would believe me anyway?” Whenever he would be touching me, I would get muscle spasms in my back. I guess it was because I was so tense. More than once he sensed that I was in pain, and a couple of times he even accused me of “faking it” because I didn’t care or didn’t want to help him. I really started questioning if I was in the wrong. It was constant mental and emotional turmoil. On one occasion, I had been hired by a television and appliance rent-to-own company as an assistant manager, and was to travel to the main office about an hour away for 2 days of training. The company said they would get me a motel room so I wouldn’t have to drive back and forth. When Tommy found this out, he decided that it would be a good opportunity for him to come down to my room and no one would ever know the difference. I paid very little attention to my training all day long because I was dreading what was going to happen that night. Finally, as the supervisor was going to reserve the room, I told him that “something had come up” and I was going to have to drive back home, so I wouldn’t need the room after all. I lied. I don’t remember what excuse I gave Tommy for not staying the night down there, but I know I lied to him also. I really didn’t want to drive back and forth, but I hated the thought of another “meeting” worse. I loved my pastor and didn’t want to hurt him, b ut I didn’t know how much longer I could keep this up. I was now lying to try to avoid it. Finally, he said he realized that I was uncomfortable and decided we shouldn’t be doing this. It was like a thousand pound weight was gone. I felt free. The problem is that I felt such a release that I didn’t consider the fact that this had already happened before, or so I had been told. I never told anyone. It is because of my silence, I feel, that others have been harmed. That is one of my big regrets and I will carry that guilt for the rest of my days. There is nothing I can ever do to change that. I only hope that in some way, speaking out now will help put an end to it once and for all. I am happy to say that God has been with me through it all. I am still attending church faithfully, and have been working with teens at church for the past 10-12 years. I was ordained as a General Baptist minister in September of 2005, and have served as a youth pastor and Sunday School teacher at churches I have attended previously. I am pleased to be able to say that I do NOT have any homosexual desires or tendencies as a result of my experience. If anything, it has made me abhor and detest it even more than I ever did before. In addition, it is very possible that I will be dealing with a young person in the future facing similar issues, and God may have allowed me to go through this so I would know how to help them. All things DO work together for good to those who love God! In conclusion, I want to say that I do NOT hate Tommy Shelton, nor do I want to see him or his family destroyed. I grew up with the Shelton kids. They’re almost like family to me. I hope that my coming forward doesn’t end our friendships, although I‘m sure it will never be the same from this point forward. I ask all who read this to please pray for all those who have been directly involved, our families, our churches and yes, for Tommy Shelton also. It is my opinion that he needs to be out of the ministry right now, but he also needs the Lord’s leadership as he deals with past issues. Our God is a God of judgment, but He is also a God of forgiveness and restoration. I want that restoration for Tommy and everyone else who has been affected by this. Snide remarks and hateful comments won’t solve anything or bring healing to anyone, only God’s touch can do that. Thank you for your prayers and thoughts as we all try to put this behind us. God bless. Duane Clem |
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Jan 20 2007, 10:58 PM
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Why can't somebody file charges?
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